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2018 Congressional/Senate Election Results Thread
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The Fox News Bubble is a thing for a reason.
Do not engage the Watermelons.
Speaker is not equivalent to the Minority Leader in the House. It's Constitutionally mandated in A1 S2, and the entire body votes for the Speaker's role - it goes to someone in the majority because it's always going to of course, but technically it's only going to be Pelosi because when the votes are tallied, whoever the GOP Reps vote for won't win.
But that person could win, technically, because some Democrats could vote for that person if they wanted to! In theory, a secret coalition of 20ish rogue Democrats could throw the Speaker's chair to the Republican.
The Majority and Minority Leaders and other party leadership positions in the House are all internal ones that they parties themselves select, but the Speaker is different.
While technically correct you'd also have to fine a Republican that all the republicans could agree on which has been an issue of late.
In checking my facts before posting, I learned that in the past it's taken months to settle on a Speaker because various factions have all put forward their own candidate and the Constitution requires winning a majority of the House to assume the role...
Also, the speaker of the house doesn't have to be a member of Congress. You know who the Democrats love, Trump hates to the point where he might just like explode into a shower of white hot rage, and isn't a member of Congress. A fine gentleman named Barrack Obama
Having thought about it for 10 seconds, I've decided its the best idea ever. The press would eat it up, and they'd treat Obama as if he was like the '#2 President'. He could have press conferences, and go to meet with foreign leaders and state representatives.
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Not just as a passive aggressive reminder that McConnell is a shit bird: there's also going to be some budgets that need to be reconciled and they will have to work face to face.
Eh, I'm pretty sure that Trump no longer remembers who Merrick Garland is, also, Garland still has a job as a federal judge. Barrack Obama for speaker of the house (AKA, the Actual President of the USA)
"Mr Trump.. Oh wait, President Trump I guess. How does it feel to be so overshadowed by Barrack Obama? Are you nothing but a footnote on the pages of history? Is it tough being the first President to have to share the role?"
Leave Barack Obama alone
He's done enough
Yeah, make it Michelle Obama. She's awesome and would drive them even more nuts. :P
Maybe it’s time to get some new blood in the mix
Lots of awesome people won elections this time, just saying
I'm being like 99% facetious, and sure, there are some fine people. Pelosi (who will be the one chosen in the end) will do a fine job, albeit with less personality than I'd like, but she'll do it while maintaining an iron grip on an unruly caucus and avoiding backbench rebellions. But as much as we may love our new candidates, none of them are Barrack Obama. Very very few people are. I genuinely believe that if you made Barrack Obama speaker of the house that Trump might literally explode. Can you imagine how upset he would be to see him on the news every day? To hear questions like, "Obama says you are wrong on this, and the people believe him. How do you respond to that?"
It would create such a beautifully absurd narrative.
Ooh, how about Chelsea Clinton?
If you brought in the ghost of Ronald Reagan they would hate him too
Turns out Republicans will hate any Democrat in charge because they hate Democrats
Maybe let’s not set leadership based on what will make hateful people angry but instead based on who is the best person for the job
Being the party of sanity means not being vindictive trolls
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Let's get back to analyzing election results - anything else going to be final soon?
Maybe we just pick a government that can govern? Conservatives will hate anyone, so might as well just pick the best policies?
Florida for the governor today at least. In about 2 hours actually for the machine recount.
What all is in question for Florida elections? Is it still Governor and Senator, or just the G at this point?
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Steam: Korvalain
Both, last I heard.
Do not engage the Watermelons.
Both, with Senator being the one most likely to be changeable.
Fingers crossed.
Our only real hope is that those missing votes for Senate in Broward are due to a miscalibrated machine there, and not due to bad ballot design. And when they are recounted on a properly calibrated machine (or by hand) we'll find an extra 20000 votes for Nelson. It's not impossible, but it does seem unlikely.
This is really interesting to me, do you guys mind explaining this in a little more detail? Was there something in the tax bill that specifically tried to screw over blue states, or is it more generically the "upper-middle / lower-upper / working rich" are taking a hit more uniformly?
The tax bill ended the state tax deduction. Blue states usually have very high real estate taxes to pay for stuff.
It ended it over 10k right?
Which the people paying more than 10k in property taxes hit that sweet spot of lawyers/dentists/small business owners the GOP desperately needs to maintain "we're not just the party of racists and billionaire racists"
If anyone can find a link to the decision, I'd love to read it. None of the links in that article seem to work.
Like here in New Jersey let's say you have a family with an income of 350-400k or so. They're doing pretty well!
They live in Maplewood, have a house currently valued at 700k (they bought it at 550k) and pay about 20k a year in property taxes. Another 20k in state taxes. They don't have so much money that they can be wildly irresponsible, but the odds of seeing financial ruin in their lifetime is slim.
They used to be able to deduct both of these taxes on their federal return, but now they can only deduct 10k of it.
These are the people who along with a turnout increase flipped New Jersey from a 7/5 Dem Rep delegation to 11/1 this past election.
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That is really the only shot, unfortunately. There’s never been a state scale recount that changed things by more than a few hundred votes one way or another, so barring a systemic issue like a flawed vote reader 15k is probably a bridge too far.
Is that 20k deduction -> 10k deduction or 40k deduction -> 10k deduction?
In practice the argument looks like: If you want to have a socialist blue state that internally redistributes the surplus of its high land wealth to supporting infrastructure, education of children, healthcare and poverty programs, you should have to pay a extra tax to the federal government who can redistribute that money to irresponsible lassez-faire states in the deep south with depressed tax bases and safety nets that are more hole than rope
EDIT: To be clear this is not a persuasive argument to many "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" McMansion owners in the suburbs
NNID: Hakkekage
$40k -> $10k
Though remember that this is for tax dollars so the cost is the marginal tax rate on that deduction rather than 100% on the dollar. Still, not great in order to pay for *checks notes* even richer people lowering their taxes.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/15/politics/democrats-maine-house-ranked-choice-jared-golden/index.html
Oddly, all the big name result trackers now list him as being declared the winner but still show the first round results (where he is losing).
Fraud! Stolen election!
Yeah, though Republicans still managed to win the >$100k crowd outright. Though the margin appears to be narrowing, which is great for Dems.