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[SOTU] A call for unity to those obstructionist Democrats
MorganV
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First time doing this. So if I do it wrong, shouldn't have done it, or someone does it better, this can be deleted.
So, tonight is the State of the Union, with the expectation that the President is going to call for unity, despite being the most antagonistic partisan President, at least in living memory.
I'm sure it's going to be chock full of facts, details, and uplifting ideas for the future.
Nah, just kidding.
With a shutdown looming just over a week away, and with it seeming quite clear Trump isn't getting wall funding through Congress, and some Republicans putting it out there that an "Emergency Declaration" could be a massive mistake, this could potentially be a disaster of epic proportions that is must-watch television.
Or... alternatively, as Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez responded about "What to watch" at this SOTU,
"None of it." - AOC, Democratic Congresswoman from NY-14.
It's going to suck having to listen to Trump's voice for ~90 minutes, but this is likely to be either the crowning achievement or final nail of his presidency. If he can't get a wall as a result of this, it's going to be extremely hard for him to do anything significant in the next two years, and it'll be a millstone around his neck, and that of those who align with him, for the 2020 election. Two years of full Republican control couldn't do it, and if he can't get it tonight (or in the next 8 days), he's not going to get it.
So, in the immortal words of Bette Davis, "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."
Anyways, here's the expected livestream of the White House's official YouTube version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYU5VE2c6Ps&list=PL3ZQ5CpNulQljQvicyNLvB6E6aRUNGbnu&index=2&t=0s
As per mod edict, and good common sense...
2020 elections are OFF TOPIC
Don't get too into the weeds on policy point discussion and take the thread OFF TOPIC.
Don't live chat in the thread. When reacting to parts of the speech reference which part you're reacting to.
Is AOC a cool/good/effective politician or not? OFF. TOPIC.
Discussing the response speeches is ON TOPIC but @SoItGoes will be so pissed if she has to wade in here later and see a Bernie supporters/nonsupporters proxy fight happening. Keep discussion to the actual speeches.
So, tonight is the State of the Union, with the expectation that the President is going to call for unity, despite being the most antagonistic partisan President, at least in living memory.
I'm sure it's going to be chock full of facts, details, and uplifting ideas for the future.
Nah, just kidding.
With a shutdown looming just over a week away, and with it seeming quite clear Trump isn't getting wall funding through Congress, and some Republicans putting it out there that an "Emergency Declaration" could be a massive mistake, this could potentially be a disaster of epic proportions that is must-watch television.
Or... alternatively, as Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez responded about "What to watch" at this SOTU,
"None of it." - AOC, Democratic Congresswoman from NY-14.
It's going to suck having to listen to Trump's voice for ~90 minutes, but this is likely to be either the crowning achievement or final nail of his presidency. If he can't get a wall as a result of this, it's going to be extremely hard for him to do anything significant in the next two years, and it'll be a millstone around his neck, and that of those who align with him, for the 2020 election. Two years of full Republican control couldn't do it, and if he can't get it tonight (or in the next 8 days), he's not going to get it.
So, in the immortal words of Bette Davis, "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night."
Anyways, here's the expected livestream of the White House's official YouTube version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYU5VE2c6Ps&list=PL3ZQ5CpNulQljQvicyNLvB6E6aRUNGbnu&index=2&t=0sAs per mod edict, and good common sense...
2020 elections are OFF TOPIC
Don't get too into the weeds on policy point discussion and take the thread OFF TOPIC.
Don't live chat in the thread. When reacting to parts of the speech reference which part you're reacting to.
Is AOC a cool/good/effective politician or not? OFF. TOPIC.
Discussing the response speeches is ON TOPIC but @SoItGoes will be so pissed if she has to wade in here later and see a Bernie supporters/nonsupporters proxy fight happening. Keep discussion to the actual speeches.
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So to those that are willing to suffer through this idiocy, I thank you. I do want to know what lies he trots out, but I just can't bring myself to watch it.
I think I lose a couple of IQ points whenever I hear Trump speak. His cadence and delivery, and butchery of the language is just terrible.
I'll probably refresh and read this thread, and then read online articles about it after the fact.
I want no Dems standing and applauding for him. And I almost want Pelosi to be making faces at him behind his back, but she's too professional for that. I'm sure she'll have an iron mask on.
What other speech are all y'all talking about?
Its moderately better when he is on teleprompter but his delivery when on teleprompter is horribad. Just dull lifeless recitation of somebody elses thoughts that he will contradict within 24-48 hours and disavow all knowledge of by the end of the week.
It really isn't, though. For most of the history of the US, the duty of reporting on the state of the Union was handled via a report. It was only with the rise of mass media that the modern address was created, and it's more about the President trying to shape an agenda than actually reporting on the state of the Union.
I have personally stopped engaging these individuals for the most part but that’s the only reason I would watch tonight. I’m probably not going to bother.
Reportedly it's not a major theme.
After the fact it's easy enough to see/read without giving him more viewership.
Sigh. I intended not to watch, have skipped the other two (after watching nearly every one since Reagan) but I hate even accidentally agreeing with her antics.
That being said, I'll probably take in some other person's safer distillation of the hostile brain toxin that will be vomited forth from this miscreant to his noxious contingent. I feel bad anyone has to translate from slavering con-man to American English, but we can at least be proud that some of the Fourth Estate still knows how to do their jobs despite being literally marked as The Enemy to their very faces.
There's no way he doesn't go off script. I'm hoping for total trump.
I'm pretty sure I've still watched trumps. I'm not sure if it's out if obligation as I've always watched them and the rebuttal. I feel it's important. Or if part of me just wants to get angry at the man.
Thinking about the ratings makes me not want to watch. I don't have one of those Neilson boxes anyways so it doesn't matter.
I do wonder about that. Is attendance compulsory for the congresscritters?
Anyways, think of it less as "accidentally aggreeing with her antics" and more of "not wanting to hear Donald Trump talk for 5 minutes, much less 90 goddamn minutes."
He has to start pivoting away from trying to get the wall now to making it a rallying call for the 2020 down ballot elections.
Always just read the cliffnotes the next day.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
If you don't want to watch the SotU, then don't watch it.
So I guess it’ll happen 5 minutes in.
It’s raid night in WoW, I’ll spend the night making terrible jokes with the rest of the SE peeps.
It’s way too easy to catch the high points after the fact, there’s no way I’m going to force myself to listen to Trump ramble and vomit out nonsense.
I will say if he launches into personal attacks against Democrats (individually or as a party), like there was some speculation he would do pre-cancellation, the Dems should immediately walk out en masse.
(Vanderpool is a freelance writer, DeBonis is a WaPo reporter)
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/us/politics/trump-state-of-the-union.html I am not going to watch it because it will be even more awful than normal.
It should be more than clear at this point that by “unity” and “bipartisanship”, Trump always means, you give me what I want, and you fuck off.
Its basically always some flavor of that but no one actually believes him so itll be even more of a belly flop than this usually is
Wild fantasy would be an announcement of impeachment proceedings starting.
I am sure Chris Cillizza will write an article talking about how presidential Trump was.
I don't think there'll be verbal callouts just because like, that's complete fodder for Trump to get into a ridiculous shouting match (dragging the heckler down to his level) but a single or mass walk-out wouldn't be out of the question; there are already several Reps who are sitting out including the honorable John Lewis
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I'd rather keep it low-key like the white dresses and such, maybe some boos. This guy is flailing pathetically now and coming off too aggressive/partisan just shores up his base by letting conservative media focus on anti-Trumpers instead of Trump screwing everything up. Especially if his screw up is an emergency declaration which every half-intelligent conservative knows is a horrible thing. He's likely to make an ass of himself yet again and that would be better news. Maybe pull this if he starts a rally and/or goes way off script or something, otherwise I would hold the fire.