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[Captain Marvel] Mohawks In Space! Open Spoilers!
Bogart
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So after twenty movies Marvel decided to give one starring a real life lady a try, just for a change.
Carol Danvers is played by an Oscar winning actress, and is a fighter pilot and also a member of a noble warrior hero corps, or something. There's a cat, who is adorable. Nick Fury, but young, not that Sam Jackson was actually looking very old, also stars. Jude law plays a guy who might be good or bad. Ben Mendelsohn also plays a guy who might be good or bad.
It's about Skrulls and Kree and shooting lasers and punching old women and telling guys who say you should smile more that they should be fired into the Sun more.
We're now in open spoilers mode, so have at it.
Carol Danvers is played by an Oscar winning actress, and is a fighter pilot and also a member of a noble warrior hero corps, or something. There's a cat, who is adorable. Nick Fury, but young, not that Sam Jackson was actually looking very old, also stars. Jude law plays a guy who might be good or bad. Ben Mendelsohn also plays a guy who might be good or bad.
It's about Skrulls and Kree and shooting lasers and punching old women and telling guys who say you should smile more that they should be fired into the Sun more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHxvxdRnYcWe're now in open spoilers mode, so have at it.
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If that's true, and I have no evidence either way, so am inclined to doubt it, I'd guess we get very little in the way of teasers about Endgame beyond something to the effect of the fact that Captain Marvel will be in it.
I'd kind of expect the same anyway, as the stingers have only rarely spoiled stuff beyond anything people already knew. I think maybe I wasn't expecting the Thanos appearance at the end of Avengers or the Strucker appearance at the end of Winter Soldier. Aside from that it's mostly been fun but inconsequential stuff. They've sometimes been scenes from the next movie but only relatively uninformative ones.
One short teaser for the next one (Endgame, in this case) plus one silly one has been the recent vogue.
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That's a whole hell of a lot of work for virtually zero gain. The movie industry can be stupid, but that's really pushing the limits.
Different scenes to try and prevent the story from being spoiled, or different scenes where BP's role was minimized? I'm guessing BP there since his was the only character whose relative popularity would have been in doubt when it came time to push out Infinity War.
No wholly different scenes being filmed - ie: Hulk being present in the Wakanda battle, etc.
I'm not saying I think the entirely unsubstantiated rumour is true, but it's probably a better plan than, say, getting a second director to re-shoot one third of the movie with everyone's upper lip cgi'ed. Spending a little ahead of time to prevent some expensive reshoots if the lead up movie bombs and you have to re-organise to avoid getting loser stink on your tentpole movie sounds like decent business sense to me.
I reiterate, I have no idea if this rumour is true, and certainly no evidence.
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I thought that was mostly so they could keep what’s real and what’s not secret to avoid spoilers, plus with Hulk in IW it let them hide the plot point that Bruce couldn’t transform into the Hulk.
I would suspect that the same is true for Endgame. I don’t think they would be willing to shoot new scenes and then recut the whole movie in case Captain Marvel doesn’t do as well as Marvel hopes. Endgame comes out in like 6 weeks. I don’t work in the movie industry, but that seems like an almost impossible timeframe to collect feedback on CM and then recut Endgame to appease crowds, especially when IW ended with a flashing neon sign saying “hold on to your butts, Captain Marvel is coming to kick some ass in Part 2!”
The point of re-shooting the same scene with different characters doing the same thing ahead of time means the re-cutting would be less difficult than otherwise.
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I don’t think either of us has the insight to say specifically what the intent of that stinger was. It’s likely more intended to both hype people for CM, and get people excited about her being in Endgame.
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I'm not going to post even actual spoilered spoilers, because I know how weak my own willpower is and I don't want to ruin anything for anyone.
Very general impressions of how I think it compares to the rest of the MCU, because I debated spoilers so why not.
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Sorry, correct. I was only half a coffee in this morning and didn't realize we were talking about different movie outcomes and not promo material.
RT percentage is just a thumbs up and thumbs down score, right? Not an average of marks out of 5/10/100 whatever? I'm sure the movie will make a decent amount of money.
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Yeah, and most of the rotten reviews I've seen for Captain Marvel haven't been saying it's hot garbage, just that it's on the 'meh' side.
Yes RT is percentage of those who liked it. I think this is a pretty good metric even though people misunderstand it all the time. If it's at a 90% on RT then it's probably not a waste of my money. It may not be my favorite movie ever but I'll probably like it.
Next one. This movie is her repeatedly orbiting the Sun building enough speed to really wham those pods right off his body.
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So the chin?
But it’s also baseless speculation that has no evidence. And it’s kind of shitty that this kind of rumor is coming out now, talking about the first female lead Marvel movie. (Not that I feel like you personally are targeting the movie, Bogart please don’t take it that way)
Did similar rumors go around for Doctor Strange? Did we ever spend time talking about whether or not Cumberbatch would have his scenes edited out if people didn’t like his movie enough?
RT is a tally of basically yes/no votes, but it’s about the best we have. Add to that some tentative early sales figures from Fandango and you should be able to get at least an idea of how well the movie will open. Of course, ticket sales could fall off a cliff after the first week. That would maybe be a better time to talk about hypothetical second edits, but that’s just my opinion.
I bet there's a shit ton of alternate stuff filmed for Endgame. I don't bet it's because Marvel is worried Captain Marvel will bomb.
Ah well, could use some anticipation I spose
I hope the big fight is captain marvel just obliterating those things while really throughly explaining why Stone Simpson Cold Homer is a big idiot, like really thoroughly
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So, yeah, there are probably cuts with more or less Captain Marvel but it probably doesn't have that much to do with Marvel's faith or lack thereof in her solo movie.
I have little to no doubt that such a rumor about her being edited out of EndGame was started by someone who wanted to give MRA fuckheads a goal to shoot for.
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This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
I cant trust any opinions I read on the internet when it comes to movies like this that have become some sort of battleground for a culture war
On one side you've got everything you listed above. Like those people are going to find every reason to hate it because of their shitty dumb views.
On the other side, those people are going to handle the movie with kid gloves, ignore any faults, and praise it regardless because they don't want to be anywhere remotely near the shitty side of people that are hating on it.
This seems like a pretty shitty thing to try and manufacture a 'both sides!!!!111!!!' stance out of.
Nah
one group of people are being shitty and vile
another group of people are trying to stay as far away from the first group opinion-wise (rightfully so) but it causes feelings about the quality of the movie to be more about the message its sending and what it means to support it
I'd rather just hear about the quality/merits of the movie completely away from the battlefield it seems to become
All I come up with is examples of shitty people making reaching comments about the agenda of certain films. I can't recall any examples of this other side you're referencing.
With Black Panther, I heard this a lot. Mostly from white dudes who thought it was "stereotypical" for kids in LA to be playing basketball in the early 90's. Instead of thinking that maybe the messaging of the movie wasn't really directed at their life experience, they assume people just faked how good the movie was/how it made them feel because on the opposite end was alt-right fuckwits.
A movie doesn't need to be universally praised to be amazing to certain people.
I mean if ANY movies would be the "join the military!" ones you think they would have done that with the Captain America movies but I feel his last two movies support a healthy skepticism of the military/following orders blindly. Especially Winter Soldier. If those movies end up inspiring a bunch of people with a Steve Rogers mindset to enlist I'm probably okay with that.
We'll see I guess right? Maybe they get subversive about it like Winter Soldier did, but I've seen a lot of marketing that says otherwise:
https://www.newsweek.com/captain-marvel-superhero-movies-air-force-comic-book-military-promotion-1348486
So, fingers crossed but yeah certainly wouldn't be the first Marvel movie the military had its hands in.
I have lots of problems with the way we as a country are expected to blindly support the military and how questioning basically anything about it is tantamount to hating the troops in some circles. But that is the default in this country. They worked with the military and they had nice things to say. Of course they did. Doesn't mean they are totally in the pocket of it.
People ask me how my day was and how I'm doing. 90% of the time I just say "fine/good/okay." Just as often as not it has no actual relation to how I feel.
Again, it could go super the other way, but people praising the troops in a public setting is basically just PR filler words.