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So after twenty movies Marvel decided to give one starring a real life lady a try, just for a change.
Carol Danvers is played by an Oscar winning actress, and is a fighter pilot and also a member of a noble warrior hero corps, or something. There's a cat, who is adorable. Nick Fury, but young, not that Sam Jackson was actually looking very old, also stars. Jude law plays a guy who might be good or bad. Ben Mendelsohn also plays a guy who might be good or bad.
It's about Skrulls and Kree and shooting lasers and punching old women and telling guys who say you should smile more that they should be fired into the Sun more.
ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
What I might be most curious about at this point is what the end credits stingers are. I'm expecting 1 thing explaining where she was all this time and then......Endgame teasers?
One (entirely unsubstantiated) rumour I've heard is that they're filmed multiple versions of scenes for Endgame, some featuring Captain Marvel and some featuring other heroes doing the same thing, with the idea being that if the movie doesn't make enough money to satisfy Marvel they can reduce her role in Endgame with already shot material.
If that's true, and I have no evidence either way, so am inclined to doubt it, I'd guess we get very little in the way of teasers about Endgame beyond something to the effect of the fact that Captain Marvel will be in it.
I'd kind of expect the same anyway, as the stingers have only rarely spoiled stuff beyond anything people already knew. I think maybe I wasn't expecting the Thanos appearance at the end of Avengers or the Strucker appearance at the end of Winter Soldier. Aside from that it's mostly been fun but inconsequential stuff. They've sometimes been scenes from the next movie but only relatively uninformative ones.
One short teaser for the next one (Endgame, in this case) plus one silly one has been the recent vogue.
My guess for post-credits is Captain Marvel giving Fury the pager, then fast forward 25 years to her getting the call. It would be cool/harrowing to see the results of the snap on other worlds, too. Aliens turning to dust all around her, then her pager blowing up... could be a really dramatic way to lead up to Endgame.
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One (entirely unsubstantiated) rumour I've heard is that they're filmed multiple versions of scenes for Endgame, some featuring Captain Marvel and some featuring other heroes doing the same thing, with the idea being that if the movie doesn't make enough money to satisfy Marvel they can reduce her role in Endgame with already shot material.
If that's true, and I have no evidence either way, so am inclined to doubt it, I'd guess we get very little in the way of teasers about Endgame beyond something to the effect of the fact that Captain Marvel will be in it.
I'd kind of expect the same anyway, as the stingers have only rarely spoiled stuff beyond anything people already knew. I think maybe I wasn't expecting the Thanos appearance at the end of Avengers or the Strucker appearance at the end of Winter Soldier. Aside from that it's mostly been fun but inconsequential stuff. They've sometimes been scenes from the next movie but only relatively uninformative ones.
One short teaser for the next one (Endgame, in this case) plus one silly one has been the recent vogue.
That's a whole hell of a lot of work for virtually zero gain. The movie industry can be stupid, but that's really pushing the limits.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
That's literally what they did for Infinity War though.
Different scenes to try and prevent the story from being spoiled, or different scenes where BP's role was minimized? I'm guessing BP there since his was the only character whose relative popularity would have been in doubt when it came time to push out Infinity War.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
That's literally what they did for Infinity War though.
Different scenes to try and prevent the story from being spoiled, or different scenes where BP's role was minimized? I'm guessing BP there since his was the only character whose relative popularity would have been in doubt when it came time to push out Infinity War.
No wholly different scenes being filmed - ie: Hulk being present in the Wakanda battle, etc.
They could have shot the whole movie twice over and it'll still make a staggering profit.
I'm not saying I think the entirely unsubstantiated rumour is true, but it's probably a better plan than, say, getting a second director to re-shoot one third of the movie with everyone's upper lip cgi'ed. Spending a little ahead of time to prevent some expensive reshoots if the lead up movie bombs and you have to re-organise to avoid getting loser stink on your tentpole movie sounds like decent business sense to me.
I reiterate, I have no idea if this rumour is true, and certainly no evidence.
That's literally what they did for Infinity War though.
Different scenes to try and prevent the story from being spoiled, or different scenes where BP's role was minimized? I'm guessing BP there since his was the only character whose relative popularity would have been in doubt when it came time to push out Infinity War.
No wholly different scenes being filmed - ie: Hulk being present in the Wakanda battle, etc.
I thought that was mostly so they could keep what’s real and what’s not secret to avoid spoilers, plus with Hulk in IW it let them hide the plot point that Bruce couldn’t transform into the Hulk.
I would suspect that the same is true for Endgame. I don’t think they would be willing to shoot new scenes and then recut the whole movie in case Captain Marvel doesn’t do as well as Marvel hopes. Endgame comes out in like 6 weeks. I don’t work in the movie industry, but that seems like an almost impossible timeframe to collect feedback on CM and then recut Endgame to appease crowds, especially when IW ended with a flashing neon sign saying “hold on to your butts, Captain Marvel is coming to kick some ass in Part 2!”
The point of the IW teaser was to get people excited for Captain Marvel. If the movie doesn't do decent money (I think it will) the teaser would not have worked and I doubt they're going to care about honouring it in some way to what they would see as the detriment of their bottom line.
The point of re-shooting the same scene with different characters doing the same thing ahead of time means the re-cutting would be less difficult than otherwise.
The point of the IW teaser was to get people excited for Captain Marvel. If the movie doesn't do decent money (I think it will) the teaser would not have worked and I doubt they're going to care about honouring it in some way to what they would see as the detriment of their bottom line.
The point of re-shooting the same scene with different characters doing the same thing ahead of time means the re-cutting would be less difficult than otherwise.
I don’t think either of us has the insight to say specifically what the intent of that stinger was. It’s likely more intended to both hype people for CM, and get people excited about her being in Endgame.
I'm not going to post even actual spoilered spoilers, because I know how weak my own willpower is and I don't want to ruin anything for anyone.
Very general impressions of how I think it compares to the rest of the MCU, because I debated spoilers so why not.
I don't go in for exact movie rankings or anything, but I'd put it comfortably in the top half of the MCU, probably not the top third, but then I don't think I'd have any 'origin' movies in my top third (unless you consider GotG to be an origin movie, which I don't).
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
I would expect Marvel to know what they're doing by now and have more confidence in their process. They haven't been extremely wrong yet so if they felt the casting, the script, the directors et al were correct, there's no reason they shouldn't proceed as though they have a hit on their hands. If they didn't feel it was right, I'm sure they would have fixed the movie before letting Captain Marvel be a total clusterfuck.
That's literally what they did for Infinity War though.
Different scenes to try and prevent the story from being spoiled, or different scenes where BP's role was minimized? I'm guessing BP there since his was the only character whose relative popularity would have been in doubt when it came time to push out Infinity War.
No wholly different scenes being filmed - ie: Hulk being present in the Wakanda battle, etc.
I thought that was mostly so they could keep what’s real and what’s not secret to avoid spoilers, plus with Hulk in IW it let them hide the plot point that Bruce couldn’t transform into the Hulk.
I would suspect that the same is true for Endgame. I don’t think they would be willing to shoot new scenes and then recut the whole movie in case Captain Marvel doesn’t do as well as Marvel hopes. Endgame comes out in like 6 weeks. I don’t work in the movie industry, but that seems like an almost impossible timeframe to collect feedback on CM and then recut Endgame to appease crowds, especially when IW ended with a flashing neon sign saying “hold on to your butts, Captain Marvel is coming to kick some ass in Part 2!”
Sorry, correct. I was only half a coffee in this morning and didn't realize we were talking about different movie outcomes and not promo material.
If you were actually shooting extra scenes because you were worried about Captain Marvel then you'd do both edits in parallel, or something approximate to it. No sense in waiting if the footage is in the can.
I think we’re spending more time than necessary discussing hypothetical reshoots in case people don’t like Captain Marvel enough...especially when you consider that this movie is currently sitting at 90% on Rotten Tomatoes and according to Fandango, presales are the highest they’ve seen since Infinity War.
I mean it's just something to kick about until we've seen the movie itself.
RT percentage is just a thumbs up and thumbs down score, right? Not an average of marks out of 5/10/100 whatever? I'm sure the movie will make a decent amount of money.
I mean it's just something to kick about until we've seen the movie itself.
RT percentage is just a thumbs up and thumbs down score, right? Not an average of marks out of 5/10/100 whatever? I'm sure the movie will make a decent amount of money.
Yeah, and most of the rotten reviews I've seen for Captain Marvel haven't been saying it's hot garbage, just that it's on the 'meh' side.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
I mean it's just something to kick about until we've seen the movie itself.
RT percentage is just a thumbs up and thumbs down score, right? Not an average of marks out of 5/10/100 whatever? I'm sure the movie will make a decent amount of money.
Yes RT is percentage of those who liked it. I think this is a pretty good metric even though people misunderstand it all the time. If it's at a 90% on RT then it's probably not a waste of my money. It may not be my favorite movie ever but I'll probably like it.
But it’s also baseless speculation that has no evidence. And it’s kind of shitty that this kind of rumor is coming out now, talking about the first female lead Marvel movie. (Not that I feel like you personally are targeting the movie, Bogart please don’t take it that way)
Did similar rumors go around for Doctor Strange? Did we ever spend time talking about whether or not Cumberbatch would have his scenes edited out if people didn’t like his movie enough?
RT is a tally of basically yes/no votes, but it’s about the best we have. Add to that some tentative early sales figures from Fandango and you should be able to get at least an idea of how well the movie will open. Of course, ticket sales could fall off a cliff after the first week. That would maybe be a better time to talk about hypothetical second edits, but that’s just my opinion.
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That less Cap Marvel edit of Endgame thing sounds preposterous. And with the hearty campaign going on to try and Last Jedi this thing in the good ol' internet thoughtball, I've no doubt it was started maliciously by some dork with an agenda.
I bet there's a shit ton of alternate stuff filmed for Endgame. I don't bet it's because Marvel is worried Captain Marvel will bomb.
Is captain marvel going to punch purple Brolin in the ball bag in this movie or the next one
Next one. This movie is her repeatedly orbiting the Sun building enough speed to really wham those pods right off his body.
Ah well, could use some anticipation I spose
I hope the big fight is captain marvel just obliterating those things while really throughly explaining why Stone Simpson Cold Homer is a big idiot, like really thoroughly
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Marvel's strategy for a while has been "shoot a whole bunch of stuff and figure it out in post," which is why the first cuts of all their movies are like seven hours long.
So, yeah, there are probably cuts with more or less Captain Marvel but it probably doesn't have that much to do with Marvel's faith or lack thereof in her solo movie.
I wouldn't trust any-fucking-thing I hear or read on the Internet about this movie at this point without it being super well sourced. When I watch a Youtube video about wrestling, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel comments in it. When I read a wireless tech article, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel conspiracy bullshit in there. It's fucking everywhere, and they're infecting everything.
I have little to no doubt that such a rumor about her being edited out of EndGame was started by someone who wanted to give MRA fuckheads a goal to shoot for.
I wouldn't trust any-fucking-thing I hear or read on the Internet about this movie at this point without it being super well sourced. When I watch a Youtube video about wrestling, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel comments in it. When I read a wireless tech article, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel conspiracy bullshit in there. It's fucking everywhere, and they're infecting everything.
I have little to no doubt that such a rumor about her being edited out of EndGame was started by someone who wanted to give MRA fuckheads a goal to shoot for.
I cant trust any opinions I read on the internet when it comes to movies like this that have become some sort of battleground for a culture war
On one side you've got everything you listed above. Like those people are going to find every reason to hate it because of their shitty dumb views.
On the other side, those people are going to handle the movie with kid gloves, ignore any faults, and praise it regardless because they don't want to be anywhere remotely near the shitty side of people that are hating on it.
I wouldn't trust any-fucking-thing I hear or read on the Internet about this movie at this point without it being super well sourced. When I watch a Youtube video about wrestling, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel comments in it. When I read a wireless tech article, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel conspiracy bullshit in there. It's fucking everywhere, and they're infecting everything.
I have little to no doubt that such a rumor about her being edited out of EndGame was started by someone who wanted to give MRA fuckheads a goal to shoot for.
I cant trust any opinions I read on the internet when it comes to movies like this that have become some sort of battleground for a culture war
On one side you've got everything you listed above. Like those people are going to find every reason to hate it because of their shitty dumb views.
On the other side, those people are going to handle the movie with kid gloves, ignore any faults, and praise it regardless because they don't want to be anywhere remotely near the shitty side of people that are hating on it.
This seems like a pretty shitty thing to try and manufacture a 'both sides!!!!111!!!' stance out of.
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I wouldn't trust any-fucking-thing I hear or read on the Internet about this movie at this point without it being super well sourced. When I watch a Youtube video about wrestling, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel comments in it. When I read a wireless tech article, there's shitty MRA Captain Marvel conspiracy bullshit in there. It's fucking everywhere, and they're infecting everything.
I have little to no doubt that such a rumor about her being edited out of EndGame was started by someone who wanted to give MRA fuckheads a goal to shoot for.
I cant trust any opinions I read on the internet when it comes to movies like this that have become some sort of battleground for a culture war
On one side you've got everything you listed above. Like those people are going to find every reason to hate it because of their shitty dumb views.
On the other side, those people are going to handle the movie with kid gloves, ignore any faults, and praise it regardless because they don't want to be anywhere remotely near the shitty side of people that are hating on it.
This seems like a pretty shitty thing to try and manufacture a 'both sides!!!!111!!!' stance out of.
Nah
one group of people are being shitty and vile
another group of people are trying to stay as far away from the first group opinion-wise (rightfully so) but it causes feelings about the quality of the movie to be more about the message its sending and what it means to support it
I'd rather just hear about the quality/merits of the movie completely away from the battlefield it seems to become
Do you have examples of that happening? I can't think of any.
All I come up with is examples of shitty people making reaching comments about the agenda of certain films. I can't recall any examples of this other side you're referencing.
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I kind of side-eye the "people are overly praising this movie to make up for the bad people" a lot
With Black Panther, I heard this a lot. Mostly from white dudes who thought it was "stereotypical" for kids in LA to be playing basketball in the early 90's. Instead of thinking that maybe the messaging of the movie wasn't really directed at their life experience, they assume people just faked how good the movie was/how it made them feel because on the opposite end was alt-right fuckwits.
A movie doesn't need to be universally praised to be amazing to certain people.
I'm a little, I guess worried? that I'm going to walk into a 2 hour long commercial for American military tech.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
I guess there's a small chance of an yvan eht nioj backdoor in this but I feel like it's equally as likely you walk away from this wanting to join Starforce?
I mean if ANY movies would be the "join the military!" ones you think they would have done that with the Captain America movies but I feel his last two movies support a healthy skepticism of the military/following orders blindly. Especially Winter Soldier. If those movies end up inspiring a bunch of people with a Steve Rogers mindset to enlist I'm probably okay with that.
I guess there's a small chance of an yvan eht nioj backdoor in this but I feel like it's equally as likely you walk away from this wanting to join Starforce?
I mean if ANY movies would be the "join the military!" ones you think they would have done that with the Captain America movies but I feel his last two movies support a healthy skepticism of the military/following orders blindly. Especially Winter Soldier. If those movies end up inspiring a bunch of people with a Steve Rogers mindset to enlist I'm probably okay with that.
We'll see I guess right? Maybe they get subversive about it like Winter Soldier did, but I've seen a lot of marketing that says otherwise:
“It’s a great honor for the men and women of the 57th wing to be able to share this thing that is the Air Force,” Brigadier General Jeannie Leavitt says in the featurette.
“You’re so cool,” Larson replies.
“The Air Force was welcoming and amazing,” Captain Marvel co-director Anna Boden says in the featurette.
So, fingers crossed but yeah certainly wouldn't be the first Marvel movie the military had its hands in.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
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I mean even if all the military people they consulted or did whatever with were complete assholes do you think anyone involved in the production of this movie would give any hint of that?
I have lots of problems with the way we as a country are expected to blindly support the military and how questioning basically anything about it is tantamount to hating the troops in some circles. But that is the default in this country. They worked with the military and they had nice things to say. Of course they did. Doesn't mean they are totally in the pocket of it.
People ask me how my day was and how I'm doing. 90% of the time I just say "fine/good/okay." Just as often as not it has no actual relation to how I feel.
Again, it could go super the other way, but people praising the troops in a public setting is basically just PR filler words.
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If that's true, and I have no evidence either way, so am inclined to doubt it, I'd guess we get very little in the way of teasers about Endgame beyond something to the effect of the fact that Captain Marvel will be in it.
I'd kind of expect the same anyway, as the stingers have only rarely spoiled stuff beyond anything people already knew. I think maybe I wasn't expecting the Thanos appearance at the end of Avengers or the Strucker appearance at the end of Winter Soldier. Aside from that it's mostly been fun but inconsequential stuff. They've sometimes been scenes from the next movie but only relatively uninformative ones.
One short teaser for the next one (Endgame, in this case) plus one silly one has been the recent vogue.
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That's a whole hell of a lot of work for virtually zero gain. The movie industry can be stupid, but that's really pushing the limits.
Different scenes to try and prevent the story from being spoiled, or different scenes where BP's role was minimized? I'm guessing BP there since his was the only character whose relative popularity would have been in doubt when it came time to push out Infinity War.
No wholly different scenes being filmed - ie: Hulk being present in the Wakanda battle, etc.
I'm not saying I think the entirely unsubstantiated rumour is true, but it's probably a better plan than, say, getting a second director to re-shoot one third of the movie with everyone's upper lip cgi'ed. Spending a little ahead of time to prevent some expensive reshoots if the lead up movie bombs and you have to re-organise to avoid getting loser stink on your tentpole movie sounds like decent business sense to me.
I reiterate, I have no idea if this rumour is true, and certainly no evidence.
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I thought that was mostly so they could keep what’s real and what’s not secret to avoid spoilers, plus with Hulk in IW it let them hide the plot point that Bruce couldn’t transform into the Hulk.
I would suspect that the same is true for Endgame. I don’t think they would be willing to shoot new scenes and then recut the whole movie in case Captain Marvel doesn’t do as well as Marvel hopes. Endgame comes out in like 6 weeks. I don’t work in the movie industry, but that seems like an almost impossible timeframe to collect feedback on CM and then recut Endgame to appease crowds, especially when IW ended with a flashing neon sign saying “hold on to your butts, Captain Marvel is coming to kick some ass in Part 2!”
The point of re-shooting the same scene with different characters doing the same thing ahead of time means the re-cutting would be less difficult than otherwise.
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I don’t think either of us has the insight to say specifically what the intent of that stinger was. It’s likely more intended to both hype people for CM, and get people excited about her being in Endgame.
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I'm not going to post even actual spoilered spoilers, because I know how weak my own willpower is and I don't want to ruin anything for anyone.
Very general impressions of how I think it compares to the rest of the MCU, because I debated spoilers so why not.
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Sorry, correct. I was only half a coffee in this morning and didn't realize we were talking about different movie outcomes and not promo material.
RT percentage is just a thumbs up and thumbs down score, right? Not an average of marks out of 5/10/100 whatever? I'm sure the movie will make a decent amount of money.
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Yeah, and most of the rotten reviews I've seen for Captain Marvel haven't been saying it's hot garbage, just that it's on the 'meh' side.
Yes RT is percentage of those who liked it. I think this is a pretty good metric even though people misunderstand it all the time. If it's at a 90% on RT then it's probably not a waste of my money. It may not be my favorite movie ever but I'll probably like it.
Next one. This movie is her repeatedly orbiting the Sun building enough speed to really wham those pods right off his body.
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So the chin?
But it’s also baseless speculation that has no evidence. And it’s kind of shitty that this kind of rumor is coming out now, talking about the first female lead Marvel movie. (Not that I feel like you personally are targeting the movie, Bogart please don’t take it that way)
Did similar rumors go around for Doctor Strange? Did we ever spend time talking about whether or not Cumberbatch would have his scenes edited out if people didn’t like his movie enough?
RT is a tally of basically yes/no votes, but it’s about the best we have. Add to that some tentative early sales figures from Fandango and you should be able to get at least an idea of how well the movie will open. Of course, ticket sales could fall off a cliff after the first week. That would maybe be a better time to talk about hypothetical second edits, but that’s just my opinion.
I bet there's a shit ton of alternate stuff filmed for Endgame. I don't bet it's because Marvel is worried Captain Marvel will bomb.
Ah well, could use some anticipation I spose
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So, yeah, there are probably cuts with more or less Captain Marvel but it probably doesn't have that much to do with Marvel's faith or lack thereof in her solo movie.
I have little to no doubt that such a rumor about her being edited out of EndGame was started by someone who wanted to give MRA fuckheads a goal to shoot for.
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I cant trust any opinions I read on the internet when it comes to movies like this that have become some sort of battleground for a culture war
On one side you've got everything you listed above. Like those people are going to find every reason to hate it because of their shitty dumb views.
On the other side, those people are going to handle the movie with kid gloves, ignore any faults, and praise it regardless because they don't want to be anywhere remotely near the shitty side of people that are hating on it.
This seems like a pretty shitty thing to try and manufacture a 'both sides!!!!111!!!' stance out of.
Nah
one group of people are being shitty and vile
another group of people are trying to stay as far away from the first group opinion-wise (rightfully so) but it causes feelings about the quality of the movie to be more about the message its sending and what it means to support it
I'd rather just hear about the quality/merits of the movie completely away from the battlefield it seems to become
All I come up with is examples of shitty people making reaching comments about the agenda of certain films. I can't recall any examples of this other side you're referencing.
With Black Panther, I heard this a lot. Mostly from white dudes who thought it was "stereotypical" for kids in LA to be playing basketball in the early 90's. Instead of thinking that maybe the messaging of the movie wasn't really directed at their life experience, they assume people just faked how good the movie was/how it made them feel because on the opposite end was alt-right fuckwits.
A movie doesn't need to be universally praised to be amazing to certain people.
I mean if ANY movies would be the "join the military!" ones you think they would have done that with the Captain America movies but I feel his last two movies support a healthy skepticism of the military/following orders blindly. Especially Winter Soldier. If those movies end up inspiring a bunch of people with a Steve Rogers mindset to enlist I'm probably okay with that.
We'll see I guess right? Maybe they get subversive about it like Winter Soldier did, but I've seen a lot of marketing that says otherwise:
https://www.newsweek.com/captain-marvel-superhero-movies-air-force-comic-book-military-promotion-1348486
So, fingers crossed but yeah certainly wouldn't be the first Marvel movie the military had its hands in.
I have lots of problems with the way we as a country are expected to blindly support the military and how questioning basically anything about it is tantamount to hating the troops in some circles. But that is the default in this country. They worked with the military and they had nice things to say. Of course they did. Doesn't mean they are totally in the pocket of it.
People ask me how my day was and how I'm doing. 90% of the time I just say "fine/good/okay." Just as often as not it has no actual relation to how I feel.
Again, it could go super the other way, but people praising the troops in a public setting is basically just PR filler words.