Canceled. I'll definitely pick it up when it drops to $30... I just have way too many games to keep up with right now (Conan Exiles, Dying Light, Division 2, Metal Max Xeno, etc...) that $50 for an average game is too much right now. I hope you guys enjoy it! I'll be perusing the thread to get impressions.
Dying Light is one of the GOATs of this gen, imo. Techland had my loyalty after the first Dead Island (best first-person melee combat ever, imo) but Dying Light blew the doors off what they already did super, super well with fantastic first-person platforming (!), way better presentation overall and much better writing.
It's frickin' fantastic.
Oh yes this is my 2nd through! One of my favorite games in the past 10 years or so. I'm just going through with my best friends instead of solo (like I did before).
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
"Get the hell out of me" - [ex]girlfriend
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I love that one of the parts he gets frustrated with, and thus seems soured on, is that you can run out of fuel, and be really fucked (or that Fast Travel isn't magic and actually uses resources). As happens in a survival-esque game.
Yea see that right there is one of those examples of a thing that is a negative for some but part of the specific reason that I am interested in this game.
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
It's something that women are pressured to include in their vows as part of "biker tradition".
It's not corny, it's sexist and shitty.
Parts of biker culture that are fine to want to emulate: Having the wind in your hair, loving motorcycles, wearing leather.
Not Cool: Perpetuating sexist stereotypes.
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
I mean. . .are you asking them to write unrealistic bikers? This seems like a silly complaint to be honest. Like if everyone on Son's of Anarchy (my only biker reference) referring to their wives as "my darling/my partner and equal" instead of "old lady."
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Maybe that turns to be problematic. But if you haven't actually seen the full story pulling a single clip out of context and claiming it problematic is kinda goosey.
Maybe the MC starts off as kinda a selfish guy who makes decisions without thinking them through and throughout the story he changes and evolves in which case showing a worse side of him early is an important part of that character growth.
Also maybe she's part of the bike club too and that's what she wanted to say there all on her own because she's that kind of person herself.
Maybe none of this is the case and it's all terrible but unless you have actually seen all the info claiming that is super goosey.
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
I mean. . .are you asking them to write unrealistic bikers? This seems like a silly complaint to be honest. Like if everyone on Son's of Anarchy (my only biker reference) referring to their wives as "my darling/my partner and equal" instead of "old lady."
Do you seriously think that if that line wasn't in there you'd be like "I don't understand WHO these people are?! Surely they cannot be BIKERS."?
Also, the original post is from somebody who has played the game. Another review I read also mentioned that the game has some problematic takes on women and children.
Maybe that turns to be problematic. But if you haven't actually seen the full story pulling a single clip out of context and claiming it problematic is kinda goosey.
Maybe the MC starts off as kinda a selfish guy who makes decisions without thinking them through and throughout the story he changes and evolves in which case showing a worse side of him early is an important part of that character growth.
Also maybe she's part of the bike club too and that's what she wanted to say there all on her own because she's that kind of person herself.
Maybe none of this is the case and it's all terrible but unless you have actually seen all the info claiming that is super goosey.
Sexist comments are sexist comments regardless of context. Implying that thinking so is "super goosey" is a pretty shitty take.
See also, making racist jokes when you're "just hangin with da boys".
Maybe that turns to be problematic. But if you haven't actually seen the full story pulling a single clip out of context and claiming it problematic is kinda goosey.
Maybe the MC starts off as kinda a selfish guy who makes decisions without thinking them through and throughout the story he changes and evolves in which case showing a worse side of him early is an important part of that character growth.
Also maybe she's part of the bike club too and that's what she wanted to say there all on her own because she's that kind of person herself.
Maybe none of this is the case and it's all terrible but unless you have actually seen all the info claiming that is super goosey.
Sexist comments are sexist comments regardless of context. Implying that thinking so is "super goosey" is a pretty shitty take.
See also, making racist jokes when you're "just hangin with da boys".
Does this mean a character cannot have negative traits without the greater product being accused of having those traits?
Even if the purpose is to show a problematic character that grows?
If so that is quite bizarre and I'd have to say I just disagree there.
If not then I have no idea what you are saying here.
So you think that the line is in there, spoken by a woman (written by men), to show the growth of the male protagonist?
You don't think that's being maybe a little bit intellectually dishonest?
It's also possible to show negative traits in a character without devolving into sexism and misogyny.
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
I mean. . .are you asking them to write unrealistic bikers? This seems like a silly complaint to be honest. Like if everyone on Son's of Anarchy (my only biker reference) referring to their wives as "my darling/my partner and equal" instead of "old lady."
Do you seriously think that if that line wasn't in there you'd be like "I don't understand WHO these people are?! Surely they cannot be BIKERS."?
Also, the original post is from somebody who has played the game. Another review I read also mentioned that the game has some problematic takes on women and children.
Depends on what the replaced line was. However that doesn't really invalidate my complaint about the complaint. "Is the line out of character for the characters?" really should be the only question.
. . .as for the game in a larger sense I've heard some REALLY unpleasant things might/could happen however are we really in a period where we can't have multimedia with characters that have extreme moral failings? Is it only ok to play a game as a mass murderer if they're killing birthers? If the "questionable content" of this game (or any game) exists in a vacuum with no context or narrative connection serving only to thrill, then sure. . .let's get the pitchforks. I don't see that here (if the larger context comment is to be believed).
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
I mean. . .are you asking them to write unrealistic bikers? This seems like a silly complaint to be honest. Like if everyone on Son's of Anarchy (my only biker reference) referring to their wives as "my darling/my partner and equal" instead of "old lady."
Do you seriously think that if that line wasn't in there you'd be like "I don't understand WHO these people are?! Surely they cannot be BIKERS."?
Also, the original post is from somebody who has played the game. Another review I read also mentioned that the game has some problematic takes on women and children.
Depends on what the replaced line was. However that doesn't really invalidate my complaint about the complaint. "Is the line out of character for the characters?" really should be the only question.
. . .as for the game in a larger sense I've heard some REALLY unpleasant things might/could happen however are we really in a period where we can't have multimedia with characters that have extreme moral failings? Is it only ok to play a game as a mass murderer if they're killing birthers? If the "questionable content" of this game (or any game) exists in a vacuum with no context or narrative connection serving only to thrill, then sure. . .let's get the pitchforks. I don't see that here (if the larger context comment is to be believed).
...okay, I'll bite. What is the subsequent context and how does that make the initial line less gross?
But if it features shitty people doing shitty things and seems to be celebrating those shitty things then it will get called out for doing so. Biker culture often includes white supremacy, violence, and sexism. So if you're gonna do a biker game and focus on biker culture then you should have those things in mind when you decide what you're saying about it.
Patrick at Waypoint wrote an article about his experiences and his general take is that the game isn't actually saying anything about anything. It's just a series of things to take you from one place to another.
But if it features shitty people doing shitty things and seems to be celebrating those shitty things then it will get called out for doing so. Biker culture often includes white supremacy, violence, and sexism. So if you're gonna do a biker game and focus on biker culture then you should have those things in mind when you decide what you're saying about it.
Patrick at Waypoint wrote an article about his experiences and his general take is that the game isn't actually saying anything about anything. It's just a series of things to take you from one place to another.
But if it features shitty people doing shitty things and seems to be celebrating those shitty things then it will get called out for doing so. Biker culture often includes white supremacy, violence, and sexism. So if you're gonna do a biker game and focus on biker culture then you should have those things in mind when you decide what you're saying about it.
Patrick at Waypoint wrote an article about his experiences and his general take is that the game isn't actually saying anything about anything. It's just a series of things to take you from one place to another.
lol it seems like the URL says something completely different?
Days Gone refuses to settle on what it wants to be or what it wants to say. Rather than settling on a direction, it proceeds in all directions, hoping a more-is-better philosophy will prove blinding. This is true of both the clumsy mechanics, which are ever present and impossible to ignore, and its story, following the boring moral compass of biker Deacon St. John, who roams the world in the years after an event turned the whole world to shit, claiming to operate by a “code” but refusing to allow said code to operationally manifest into action. But that itself is selling the narrative failings of Days Gone—and Deacon himself—way short.
Edit: oh, lovely.
The thing is, Deacon sucks. He doesn’t just suck because he moves around the world as if he’s just learning to walk and super frustrating to control around packs of zombies, he sucks because the game tries to present him as a morally complex anti-hero and it doesn’t land. It’s one thing to present players with a character they’re supposed to feel conflicted about, but what am I supposed to do with a person who says you “can’t shoot a woman unless you have to,” while later selling a woman he saved to a labor camp, knowing she’ll spend her whole life digging ditches for the tyrant running the place?
(At one point, there’s quest line explicitly about how this woman wants to leave and can’t, and the game dedicates a whole mission to you checking up on her and not believing her.)
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
I mean. . .are you asking them to write unrealistic bikers? This seems like a silly complaint to be honest. Like if everyone on Son's of Anarchy (my only biker reference) referring to their wives as "my darling/my partner and equal" instead of "old lady."
Do you seriously think that if that line wasn't in there you'd be like "I don't understand WHO these people are?! Surely they cannot be BIKERS."?
Also, the original post is from somebody who has played the game. Another review I read also mentioned that the game has some problematic takes on women and children.
Depends on what the replaced line was. However that doesn't really invalidate my complaint about the complaint. "Is the line out of character for the characters?" really should be the only question.
. . .as for the game in a larger sense I've heard some REALLY unpleasant things might/could happen however are we really in a period where we can't have multimedia with characters that have extreme moral failings? Is it only ok to play a game as a mass murderer if they're killing birthers? If the "questionable content" of this game (or any game) exists in a vacuum with no context or narrative connection serving only to thrill, then sure. . .let's get the pitchforks. I don't see that here (if the larger context comment is to be believed).
...okay, I'll bite. What is the subsequent context and how does that make the initial line less gross?
I have no idea. That's why I'm taking the persons word for it. They could be an "anti-SJW" or other memey individual, but they are a mod over at ResetERA so I seriously doubt that. Also - and this could be confirmation bias - but even without context the line reads more snarky than "I'm totally serious about these vows." And yes. . .the line is gross and sexist. I do not think it's meant to be high romance.
But if it features shitty people doing shitty things and seems to be celebrating those shitty things then it will get called out for doing so. Biker culture often includes white supremacy, violence, and sexism. So if you're gonna do a biker game and focus on biker culture then you should have those things in mind when you decide what you're saying about it.
Patrick at Waypoint wrote an article about his experiences and his general take is that the game isn't actually saying anything about anything. It's just a series of things to take you from one place to another.
Literally every Rock* game in the last decade. And I've yet to see how that line in and of itself is meant to celebrate anything. I mean I don't want to get bogged down here, but this really feels like looking for reasons to dismiss the game. Like if someone can't support a game that's clearly trying to push an issue or ideology that's just bad. . .sure fine. Boycott. I'm really not seeing that here though. If that changes in 20 hours with the game, I'll be right back in this thread talking about the garbage inserted in the game for no reason other than "edge" with everyone else.
Watching this now, and Jim just said it took him a few hours to enjoy it. That means that I’m going to hate it.
Preorder cancelled.
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I wonder if the game railroads you into selling the girl.
I mean if it's done incredibly clumsy, then sure. However if there is a point to it, I'm not going to just outright dismiss the game because it's awful and not what I want a supposed "protagonist" to be doing. And I SERIOUSLY doubt the game will "celebrate" slavery (it might give you XP if it's quest related though. . . ).
I wonder if the game railroads you into selling the girl.
I hope shit like that is a choice.
But I'll see soon enough I guess!
Supposedly "choice" was a lot more present in this game; which I honestly feel to be a copout from developers. This sort of stupid dance of "well you CAN be a deviant. . .but that's up to YOU."
I'm not sure which episode of SoA it's cribbing from so can't comment on that. The line itself is a callback to a previous conversation where Sarah (the female) is clearly aware of how cringey the line is.
The only complaint I have so far is a technical one: The goddamned controller speaker started spouting stuff VERY LOUDLY. At 2AM. I appreciate using the speaker in some cases but come the fuck on. I've muted it now.
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okay so with Mister Saint John, a very biker culture name, is Deacon his actual name or his Biker name? because you never know where the fuck they're going to put it. Is his biker name John? Is his moral code only to not have a biker name? this is some layering.
(i've only just now read upwards and saw the back and forth so I don't mean to add to it. i don't think I'd ever be able to take a "biker" themed protag seriously because my half-brother was in a "biker gang" and his biker name was "Gun" because he... likes guns. Moreso than the rest of them did, I guess. Except most of them worked in an office environment and dressed up in leather on the weekends and it was all a bit much, so much so that if an actual "biker", whatever that is, i'm not the gatekeeper if bikers, were to walk up to me and threaten me I would not be able to take him seriously)
The game is crazy good looking on a pro and 4K tv. Also the initial loading wasn't that broken to me.
. . . what is annoying is the scene transitions. They REALLY needed someone helping them with pacing.
Other than that definitely enjoyed the couple of hours I played and yeah, the world is pretty grim. . . can see some people having a problem if the beginning design choices (Newts) are anything to go by.
The game is crazy good looking on a pro and 4K tv. Also the initial loading wasn't that broken to me.
. . . what is annoying is the scene transitions. They REALLY needed someone helping them with pacing.
Other than that definitely enjoyed the couple of hours I played and yeah, the world is pretty grim. . . can see some people having a problem if the beginning design choices (Newts) are anything to go by.
See, this is the kind of reaction I was waiting for. I'm gonna' have to give this a good think.
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Grim is definitely what I want from this kinda game.
I wasn't planning on getting this at release, and still am not, but I am now very excited that I think in 2 years this will be one of those "oh shit why was everyone so down on this?" experiences.
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Wait The Order came around to being good?
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Oh yes this is my 2nd through! One of my favorite games in the past 10 years or so. I'm just going through with my best friends instead of solo (like I did before).
. . .this IS a line that's associated with MC Clubs and, according to someone who has played the game, unsurprisingly makes sense in a context longer than a 4 second clip.
Yea see that right there is one of those examples of a thing that is a negative for some but part of the specific reason that I am interested in this game.
Yeah, it's still an incredibly sexist tradition and doesn't need to be celebrated by being put into a video game. I'm not sure what sense it makes inside of a broader context. Forcing a woman to include an incredibly denigrating statement in her wedding vows is not exactly progressive. Nor are MCs known for their deft handling of social issues.
It's not corny, it's sexist and shitty.
Parts of biker culture that are fine to want to emulate: Having the wind in your hair, loving motorcycles, wearing leather.
Not Cool: Perpetuating sexist stereotypes.
I mean. . .are you asking them to write unrealistic bikers? This seems like a silly complaint to be honest. Like if everyone on Son's of Anarchy (my only biker reference) referring to their wives as "my darling/my partner and equal" instead of "old lady."
Maybe the MC starts off as kinda a selfish guy who makes decisions without thinking them through and throughout the story he changes and evolves in which case showing a worse side of him early is an important part of that character growth.
Also maybe she's part of the bike club too and that's what she wanted to say there all on her own because she's that kind of person herself.
Maybe none of this is the case and it's all terrible but unless you have actually seen all the info claiming that is super goosey.
Do you seriously think that if that line wasn't in there you'd be like "I don't understand WHO these people are?! Surely they cannot be BIKERS."?
Also, the original post is from somebody who has played the game. Another review I read also mentioned that the game has some problematic takes on women and children.
Sexist comments are sexist comments regardless of context. Implying that thinking so is "super goosey" is a pretty shitty take.
See also, making racist jokes when you're "just hangin with da boys".
I have no more interest in this particular path of conversation. No thanks.
So you think that the line is in there, spoken by a woman (written by men), to show the growth of the male protagonist?
You don't think that's being maybe a little bit intellectually dishonest?
It's also possible to show negative traits in a character without devolving into sexism and misogyny.
Depends on what the replaced line was. However that doesn't really invalidate my complaint about the complaint. "Is the line out of character for the characters?" really should be the only question.
. . .as for the game in a larger sense I've heard some REALLY unpleasant things might/could happen however are we really in a period where we can't have multimedia with characters that have extreme moral failings? Is it only ok to play a game as a mass murderer if they're killing birthers? If the "questionable content" of this game (or any game) exists in a vacuum with no context or narrative connection serving only to thrill, then sure. . .let's get the pitchforks. I don't see that here (if the larger context comment is to be believed).
...okay, I'll bite. What is the subsequent context and how does that make the initial line less gross?
But if it features shitty people doing shitty things and seems to be celebrating those shitty things then it will get called out for doing so. Biker culture often includes white supremacy, violence, and sexism. So if you're gonna do a biker game and focus on biker culture then you should have those things in mind when you decide what you're saying about it.
Patrick at Waypoint wrote an article about his experiences and his general take is that the game isn't actually saying anything about anything. It's just a series of things to take you from one place to another.
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xg4j/days-gone-is-an-ugly-miserable-experience-thats-not-worth-your-time
lol it seems like the URL says something completely different?
Edit: oh, lovely.
I have no idea. That's why I'm taking the persons word for it. They could be an "anti-SJW" or other memey individual, but they are a mod over at ResetERA so I seriously doubt that. Also - and this could be confirmation bias - but even without context the line reads more snarky than "I'm totally serious about these vows." And yes. . .the line is gross and sexist. I do not think it's meant to be high romance.
Literally every Rock* game in the last decade. And I've yet to see how that line in and of itself is meant to celebrate anything. I mean I don't want to get bogged down here, but this really feels like looking for reasons to dismiss the game. Like if someone can't support a game that's clearly trying to push an issue or ideology that's just bad. . .sure fine. Boycott. I'm really not seeing that here though. If that changes in 20 hours with the game, I'll be right back in this thread talking about the garbage inserted in the game for no reason other than "edge" with everyone else.
Watching this now, and Jim just said it took him a few hours to enjoy it. That means that I’m going to hate it.
Preorder cancelled.
I hope shit like that is a choice.
But I'll see soon enough I guess!
I mean if it's done incredibly clumsy, then sure. However if there is a point to it, I'm not going to just outright dismiss the game because it's awful and not what I want a supposed "protagonist" to be doing. And I SERIOUSLY doubt the game will "celebrate" slavery (it might give you XP if it's quest related though. . .
Supposedly "choice" was a lot more present in this game; which I honestly feel to be a copout from developers. This sort of stupid dance of "well you CAN be a deviant. . .but that's up to YOU."
That didn't explain anything, aside from saying it was maybe a reference to SoA?
Anyway, I just played for 2 hours straight. I love it so far. There's my preliminary review.
(i've only just now read upwards and saw the back and forth so I don't mean to add to it. i don't think I'd ever be able to take a "biker" themed protag seriously because my half-brother was in a "biker gang" and his biker name was "Gun" because he... likes guns. Moreso than the rest of them did, I guess. Except most of them worked in an office environment and dressed up in leather on the weekends and it was all a bit much, so much so that if an actual "biker", whatever that is, i'm not the gatekeeper if bikers, were to walk up to me and threaten me I would not be able to take him seriously)
. . . what is annoying is the scene transitions. They REALLY needed someone helping them with pacing.
Other than that definitely enjoyed the couple of hours I played and yeah, the world is pretty grim. . . can see some people having a problem if the beginning design choices (Newts) are anything to go by.
See, this is the kind of reaction I was waiting for. I'm gonna' have to give this a good think.
So looking forward to that tonight.
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