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For the bigger body? (Since the unicorn gives me two vigilance bodies over two creatures.)
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How did Giant's Skewer play out for you? I've been avoiding it in non-aggro decks, but curious.
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Both Bant non-field decks are running maindeck deputy of detention almost solely for Bant field and not using the white splash anywhere else. Gruul Aggro is maindecking nine 2-mana ways to kill a Gilded Goose and running Embercleaves solely to explosively get under field with a creature suite with a lot of evasion from field decks. Simic Food is running disdainful stroke mainboard in an environment with Oko and T3feri entirely because it cripples field cheaply. Mardu Knights is a weird list, but it also looks like a list that's primarily relying on the low-interaction of field to guarantee a Rotting Regisaur into Embercleave curve to win. Even mono-red is maindecking Tibalt over Chandra as what I have to assume is a concession to the possibility of Archway Angel or big Krasis plus punching through slightly better with Torbran.
Every deck that made the top 8 besides field is either dedicating sideboard slots to mainboard hate for Golos decks, or is running an Embercleave combination that would fold to any decks running removal but gets under field.
not really
it may not have been prevalent in that top 8 but it was still massive as a whole at the event and like @milski said is warping deck construction pretty hard as a result to deal with it
it's also pretty likely that Oko gets taken out back too
standard is gonna be the wild west for a bit
every time I see people say or post articles about banning things besides field I go "yes ok ban all the good things, got it"
I don't know personally(and think they should wait a bit before consideration) but LSV is a whole lot better at this than all of us
also I'd make the argument that he is entirely too ubiquitous
I dont disagree that the card leads to some feelbads and is obnoxious but is it getting banned tomorrow probably not
if this keeps up till next B&R? maybe
also I dont need to be LSV to have a pretty good idea of what is or is not ban worthy/format warping in a format I've played almost exclusively for over a decade
it would also piss off basically every player who bought the card because the set only just came out a few weeks ago and that is not enough time to make that sort of call when its not clear yet how thats going to play out
and I said arena bannings, which is a very good data collection method
I'm not sure what the alternative here is; maybe this winning Gruul deck will be good enough to keep Oko in check? I haven't paid much attention, it seems like it was mostly aimed at beating Golos.
i think you give it till next B&R to think about doing something about oko. if he's still everywhere and standard sucks ass because nobody wants to play interesting cards that get turned into elks and its zero fun then sure, ban it
In comparison, Will and Rowan aren't amazing, but at least they realized they needed their +1 to synergize with a set mechanic.
I haven’t done enough looking but it seems like there being a ton of that deck at the event and very few top eights seems like a sign that people overestimated It’s strength?
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It seems moreso that the vast majority of decks were golos and all top 8 decks mainboarded things to specifically hate on golos to the detriment of the deck in most of its matchups.
Oko was in about half of the top 8 decks, and as I noted above, Field was teched against to a truly absurd degree in a way that makes the pure results a bit harder to read than just "it's not actually that good."
Like, a format where people mainboard Disdainful Stroke is a sign something went very wrong
the fact that the decks beating golos played some dubious shit in order to do so, with its % of the meta, still proves that deck is likely a problem as people either played it or warped their deck to beat it
i dont think oko is at that point yet but he does cause a lot of cool splashy cards to just be bad options if they get turned into elks thus limiting what one can get away with playing, and is in a color combo featuring a lot of powerful cards that I dont think are problems on their own but by their powers combined, in the same format together, is annoying
Not at all. It was still crazy prevalent and still managed to fill up 9-16 despite the decks that beat it being brought in specifically built to play against it because those players knew the field would have so many of those decks. And still one made it through to the top 8 as well.
Plus the main thing that makes it so unfun imo is how it plays out the same every game. It never feels like a deck with variations due to how well it grabs what it needs every game. And you either kill them before they get the same pieces they just gather up or you lose.
Nice to see that, despite everything, WOTC isn't just stabbing one of their big players on the back for Yuans. It sucks that the bar is set so low, but that can't be helped.
Pretty sure Javier was lucky to get past the Oko decks he ran into. His deck had better game against it than the other two aggro decks (+1/+1 counters neuter Oko's Elk ability) but the other two Gruul Aggro players in the event 0-4d day one thanks to not being so lucky (plus not having the reigning World Champion piloting them, probably).
Also worth noting that Javier barely made both cuts. 10 4-3s made Day 2 (Javier was 23rd/24 that advanced), and he was the only Day 2 4-3 to make Top 8. Swiss was hostile to this deck.