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Not even that, it's a fetish built around something you've built up specifically around it. It's Victorians and women's ankles.
If you've been in the cadets at school in the UK you've handled assault weapons, might have even had the chance to fire a proper machine gun. But you've done so in a way that is specifically focused on a task - in this case marksmanship. There's no innate rush from holding these things, or even firing them. The Swiss are required to have these things in their homes and practice regularly and yet...
Any fantastic payoff you get from them is the fantasy you bring in, and then indulge.
ABC and NBC were big on the "Hate Crime" narrative on the national news tonight.
CBS was the only one with the guts to basically call it Terror/Terrorism (but then also mentioned that the state was going to prosecute as a hate crime, most likely).
Dammit, I forgot to mention which shooter this was. This was the Dayton shooter, Cincinnati's ABC affiliate. Where we don't have a motive but there are CNN reports that girls at his high school were afraid of him.
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I get to run the fucking drills with kids in a month.
That this is considered to be an equal risk as a fire is madness. Is it actually just madness though? I know it happens a lot in the states but not that often - and given you're almost always going to train the shooter at the same time, what's the point other than the security threatre? Except doing a dry run with all the people involved.
No, they don't breed like flies. Because deplatforming works. You know what tackling these issues at their source looks like? It looks like nuking things like 8chan from orbit because that is the source of these ideas for many people.
Again, the way these shootings are linked by ideology and manifestos, one to the other, is yet more proof of the basic fact that you have to shut down the spread of this rhetoric and these ideas.
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Edit: this doesn't mean 8Chan is getting shut down it just means that, as best as I can tell, at midnight tonight, they have no cover against their site getting hacked or targeted via internet fuckery that I don't fully understand.
It probably happens more often than actual fires.
The point is that the state mandates it because parents are terrified and security theater is something our Republican legislature will agree to while gun control is not.
EDIT: At least my school announces they are drills to teachers and we can tell the students that they're drills. Some districts don't, which is insane.
IIRC when Cloudfare did this to The Daily Stormer, the site died.
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Apparently they got the article from the AP.
Die by the probabilities? Someone's going to pay for a DDoS on them sooner or later when it's been made public knowledge that they're wide open.
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Reminds me of John Wick, only 8chan are not even in the league of an antihero.
8chan didn't create white supremacy, it's one in a long laundry list of platforms for vocalizing these ideas, and what do you propose? We wait until someone from a platform commits an act of terrorism and then shut it down? We will be playing whack-a-mole forever. We preemptively shut down websites we think might be risks for growing white supremacists (who often are using coded language, etc)? How would that make us any better than China? "Nuke it from orbit" might be the most emotionally satisfying choice but it is not actually the most effective, not in the long term. It may appeal to our authoritarian impulses to try to punish these people somehow but the truth is that there's very little we can do to them.
Fires are “relatively” common. But this doesnt mean they all occur during school hours.
About 75 injuries a year on 4,000 fires of all types, 1000 of which spread beyond the initial object. 320 of which spread beyond the initial room. This includes fires that occur outside of the school year.
https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/statistics/v14i14.pdf
22 school shootings this year which involved a death or injury.
So fires are more common but significantly less dangerous (they used to be insanely dangeorus). The probability you will have a school shooting as compared to a “serious fire” is probably around 10:1. Which is... insane... and makes sense why you would drill
OTOH, fire drills are not traumatic (well, unless you schedule one in a Michigan January and don't tell kids beforehand so they don't have a coat). Active shooter drills absolutely can be.
I believe they do sadly. I know when I was in school we did.
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Yes. Fire drill is your traditional alarm. Shooter situation is usually a PA announcement. Fire is evacuation, shooter is hide unless told an evacuation route is safe.
What fire drills and active shooter drills have in common is that teachers need to maintain accountability for students.
Fire drills need this because one of the few ways a student would ever be lost to a fire (with modern building codes and sprinkler systems) is being overcome by smoke because they were "lost" and did not evacuate an idlh.
Active shooter drills largely revolve around shelter in place and trying to secure the classroom although as we've entered our third decade in the post Columbine US there is now some debate that this is the most prudent course of action.
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I been to the area where the shootings happened thousands of times most likely.
My brother waited in line in that Wal-Mart to pick up the PS2 and we would later our GBA there and walk to the mall to pick up games.
This fucking hurts.
Banning high capacity, rapid firing weapons is a start.
Also, aren't a lot of suicides via gun?
Creating a means of egress (besides jumping out the window) for each classroom just creates that many more means of ingress for malicious actors.
Also most of these school shooters pull a fire alarm ASAP to create confusion and a target rich environment.
A lack of long narrow hallways would probably do as much as anything to aid victims in their escape.
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just apply the same federal legal standards necessary to own a machine gun
nobody commits mass shootings with machine guns
None of this implies what the right will try to make it imply, ie that somehow he did this because he was left leaning, and that therefore the two incidents are equally politically driven and both sides are to blame etc.
But yeah prepare for “see Antifa violence leftists are just as bad when will Elizabeth warren take responsibility?!” Bad faith screeching
No, it is absolutely one of the most effective tactics and your entire attitude here is defeatist bullshit. It's a silly attempt to make this about "emotional appeal" while you ignore the actual power of these tactics. Deplatforming works. You can absolutely stomp these networks into the ground. You can shut down these sites and they don't just pop back up again. There's several examples given up thread even. You can massively impede the spread of these ideas if you want to.
Huh, now that I look at the post more carefully, handguns are right on there.
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I’m not even disagreeing with the tactic, we absolutely should deplatform, I’m telling you that we also have to educate and deradicalize. We absolutely have to go after the means of disinformation, but we also have to go after the ideas themselves. Otherwise you are sweeping a problem under the rug so you don’t have to look at it, you are not creating a society that is resilient against it the next time it comes back, which will be all too soon given how many people have something to gain for themselves in fostering it.
I don’t think there’s a single person advocating for deplatforming 8chan who is making this assumption.