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A GST On The Ethics of Democrats Appearing on Alt Right Sympathetic Media
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Bernie Sanders was on Joe Rogan's podcast. Joe Rogan is a sympathizer with a variety of alt right positions and endorser of unhinged conspiracy theories like the Clintons had Seth Rich murdered.
Some people view this as outreach to a place that doesn't often hear left wing views.
Others people view it as a way for an asshole to make money off of Sanders and that further legitimizes extreme viewpoints on the right as being worthy of included in the national debate.
Please talk about it here like Jeffe asked us to.
Some people view this as outreach to a place that doesn't often hear left wing views.
Others people view it as a way for an asshole to make money off of Sanders and that further legitimizes extreme viewpoints on the right as being worthy of included in the national debate.
Please talk about it here like Jeffe asked us to.
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The success of his Sanders episode above and beyond his normal success indicates that he's getting new views from Sanders more than Sanders is getting new views in front of Rogan's audience.
Putting aside the ethics of endorsing by appearance a show that, by whatever magic, tends to lead people down the alt-right rabit hole, I think there's a pragmatic concern that Sanders Democrats who start watching Rogan might end up moving closer to the Bernie Bro of myth.
If we have Rogan pushing similar conspiracy theories to new Sanders-drawn audience members about Sanders' current primary opponents in a few months, or in the leadup to the general after we have a candidate picked, ??????
I wouldn't be happy if one of our candidates went on Stern, either, so I don't know why describing Rogan as similar to Stern is supposed to make me feel better.
From that same podcast, here's them pushing both-sidesism, Jill Stein, and Wikileaks.
So, what I'm getting at here is- why is it such an ask to expect a frontrunner candidate for the Democratic party to either not patronize this person's show, or call them out on their bullshit if they do go on their show?
https://realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/13/jimmy_dore_people_who_think_corruption_started_on_jan_20_2017_are_fooling_themselves.html
Sure, I don’t think any candidate from the Democratic side should go on a show where they openly promote conspiracy theories (even if it wasn’t on the episode they appeared on), or a show that’s disgustingly misogynistic like how Stern’s was.
I don’t think that sets the bar unacceptably high by any means. If anything it’s pretty low.
Go shake hands in a battleground district or something.
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I completely disagree. Was Harris wrong to appear on the Breakfast Club? Was Warren wrong to do so as well?
So which sources are acceptable to go on? Because pretty much all of the platforms we have going to a wide audience are right-wing and racist.
There are plenty of options beyond Fox News and Rogan.
I also didn't say it was unacceptable. Just a waste of time. The people consuming Fox News are the same ones outright denying reality when confronted with it. There's no appealing to them.
If they frequently discuss how Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich or have women take their clothes off in the studio, then yes it would be wrong for them to appear on the show.
And this is, of course, completely ignoring that the Breakfast Club has wide appeal in the African American community, you know, a community that actually supports Democrats.
This is almost as bad as accusing the North Korean people of being brain washed. There is always a way in. If you never try you wont find it though.
So as long as its for the team it's ok to truck with conspiracy theories?
The last decade has demonstrated otherwise.
American conservatives are a group whose ideals repeatedly revolve around obtaining power at any cost for those with an R by their name and denying anything and everything that contradicts with what they claim to be true.
The day they decide to grow up and approach society like adults is the day when trying to appeal to them is worthwhile.
Fox is not the only place to appear on, there are other outlets that have the same, if not more traffic.
If someone only watches Fox News and never ABC, CBS, or NBC news, they aren’t going to vote for a Democrat ever.
On the other hand, we need nonconvential ways of engaging younger voters and podcasts is a great one. Joe Rogan is one of the top podcasters and has one of the largest audiences. Do I think it is super gross? Yes. But the 2020 election is going to be very ugly and if we don't at least try to engage more voters then we are doomed. Did Bernie go on and say how much he loved Joe Rogan and how much Shillary did 9/11? I doubt it.
What conspiracy theories do they push in the Breakfast Club?
Alternatively; is it somehow ok to push conspiracy theories that benefit Bernie?
If you put the barrier of entry to the rest of society as immediately and completely renouncing all they once believed in you will never get anything other than a middle finger as a response.
So the best strategy forward for our nation to progress is to not talk to people and hope they see the light of their own accord? I'm sorry I don't see it.
What conspiracy theories has the Breakfast Club pushed? I'm being sincere here, because I'm not familiar with it.
re alternatively: why would you think that when I have explicitly stated my stance multiple times?
That's all they've given no matter the approach. Democrats have tried being conciliatory in good faith to the right for decades. The response, without fail, is the right promoting conspiracy theories and stonewalling at every opportunity.
I can not fathom looking at the entirety of Obama's administration, the right wing response to it, and thinking that the problem was the lack of outreach to the right.
This isn’t a thread to have a go at the record of Sanders. Stick to the topic.
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No one has said meeting in the middle and in fact we have said as long as you stick to your ideals then there is no harm in reaching across and talking with people.
You can't talk to people who don't want to hear what you're saying. You're free to espouse the strategy of courting racists and sexists in the hopes that that's all they needed to stop supporting sexist and racist politicians. Historically this hasn't worked out especially well.
There's no harm in opting not to, and arguably a great deal more good to be achieved, by ignoring them and approaching actual uncertain voters and increasing enthusiasm among your own.
So tell me, how long should minorities accept being second class citizens? Because that's what they're being asked to renounce - their beliefs that women, minorities, LGBTQ folks, etc. should know their place in society. The fact that the response to that is a middle finger explains everything.
What conspiracy theories are promoted by the breakfast club?
I strongly doubt that the conspiracy theory podcast stoners are an especially vital demographic.
The show then immediately lies about those views.
Their viewership accepts these lies and derides those candidates. Nothing changes.
I am indeed quite content with not lending these shows any more legitimacy than they already hold. That time is easily better spent on a photo op in a battleground state or fundraising or just about anything else, really.