Back at it with the quarantine. I have had more fun in experimental in the last ten games then I did in the last month I played in mid 2019.
People are talking, people are trying strats, people are swapping in and out of the heroes that have changes to get a feel for things. I think I am just going to play here moving forward.
we've got two spots open if anyone else wants to play a little OW
kana@12104
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
also, decided to do some No Limits to get boxes this week, and holy shit. how did anyone anywhere close to development think that was the right way to play the game? i won both my matches and hated every minute of it. my team = 4 syms, then 4 torbs, then 4 moiras (me as zen), versus their 3 meis the whole game
hell on earth
(it's fun as an opt-in gimmick thing, but if this was every match i would have quit years ago, good lord)
also, decided to do some No Limits to get boxes this week, and holy shit. how did anyone anywhere close to development think that was the right way to play the game? i won both my matches and hated every minute of it. my team = 4 syms, then 4 torbs, then 4 moiras (me as zen), versus their 3 meis the whole game
hell on earth
(it's fun as an opt-in gimmick thing, but if this was every match i would have quit years ago, good lord)
Fun fact: people bitched and moaned and claimed that the game was ruined when they put in the character restriction.
Do you, in fact, have any builds in this shop at all?
We had just lost three people and our Reaper flubbed his ult (immediately hooked), so it was 6v3 into a 5v2 and I was like "Fight's lost. Just kill me."
What followed was an object lesson in "kill the support first."
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited April 2020
OWL bans this week:
DvA
Ana
Reaper
Sombra
edit: also all the Experimental changes went live today, which is.....silly. Ashe is more busted than what people say McCree is, only she has a solid ult. No wonder I was cleaning house with Pharah one game.
I was just thinking tonight that it'd been a while not only since I had a really shitty night, but that I've been subjected to the same kind of toxic assholes that were the norm through December and January. Lo and behold, the next two matches had someone who said "fuck this game" and left 40 seconds in as we were winning the first push, and then someone who responded to "Genji, switch" with a torrent of nonstop racism. Well, I assume nonstop. I muted him after about 20 seconds. Still, it's been world's better recently than things were a couple months ago. Honestly couldn't even tell you why.
I'm also starting to really think that Reinhardt's ult needs to be massively buffed. As strong as earth shatter can theoretically be, it's easy to interrupt, and it's the only ult in the game that if it hits any kind of barrier or extrusion at all, even one fucking behind him because it inexplicably radiates from his feet instead of where the animation indicates, is just completely stopped cold and does literally nothing. Even a blocked deadeye will still pop the shield, and virtually all DPS ults, even if blocked, will still melt whatever barrier they're up against while doing damage to anything/everything around or through them. Fuck, most of them can't even be fully eaten by DVa/Sigma because they last longer than it. At least make it destroy all barriers it hits instead of disappearing harmlessly. Of course, just fucking fixing all of Reinhardt's bugs would count as a massive buff to him. As usual, I think his general brokenness and every time you hit Q, Shift, or E, you're rolling the dice as to what is going to happen, is the only thing keeping him in line.
we've got two spots open if anyone else wants to play a little OW
kana@12104
we're playing again, have room!
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
I remember when double Winston, double Lucio, double Tracer was the go to meta comp.
My first week of OW I literally had a five minute OT because of this on the last push of King's Row.
Between that, double Bastions and 4-5 Torbs...good riddance.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
There is no way you buff Earthshatter until you nerf other things on Rein. It's the simplest thing for Blizzard to try and follow through; strong main abilities = shit ult and vice versa. It's got counters but a lot of them get erased with how shitty the distance and AoE is and doesn't reflect the animation, and on top of that he's still the best solid tank based on abilities that can let him survive the damage when he's not panicking.
And at least with steadfast being nerfed a bit Rein's not on my list of issues right now. I'm much more annoyed with the OP broken Ashe and rapid fire Pharmercy we were given this week.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
-Hero Pool will be the same for OWL, Contenders, and regular comp, 1/2/1 picks from the highest picked players over two weeks of data (bans will still be one week)
-Comp map pools will be every map but Paris and Horizon, which lol they're still unable to make them not trashfires and said they'll be put in rotation when they fix them
Although I do find it funny that they're abandoning the supposed clownparty randomness approach without ever once touching DPS favorites like Genji and Rat.
They should just rework Horizon and Paris into some other mode entirely. Even if they were 'fixed' (as much as any 2 CP map can be fixed), they'll still have the stigma attached.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
I'd actually like them to take the time to rework Lijiang and Nepal too, because I despise those maps as much as Horizon right now.
I'd actually like them to take the time to rework Lijiang and Nepal too, because I despise those maps as much as Horizon right now.
What's wrong with them? They're not overly friendly to snipers. No ridiculous yet unavoidable killboxes. Quality environmental options.
yeah those maps aren't actually poorly designed, in fact they're many people's favorite koth maps! i don't love nepal but i definitely don't think it needs a full-on redesign
When OW2 comes out this game is going to have a silly number of maps, let alone after years more. I'm guessing they'll do a weekly or semi-weekly map rotation at some point to address that for both QP and Comp. Nobody really cared about the season identity thing they were going for.
When OW2 comes out this game is going to have a silly number of maps, let alone after years more. I'm guessing they'll do a weekly or semi-weekly map rotation at some point to address that for both QP and Comp. Nobody really cared about the season identity thing they were going for.
I think they saw what Fortnite was doing with its big hyped up stuff and thematic seasons and wanted that.
But they didn't want to do all the cosmetics, cinematics, lore updates, and map stuff that goes with it. So... none of the work that goes into promoting it. It certainly could be a cool idea if they actually were willing to have storylines, and wouldn't even need to do a bunch of stuff. Lord knows, the stupid Numbani airport is never getting fixed, but it's the kind of unimportant map change that helps sell that stuff. Buuuut they seem content to just trickle out content very, very, very, VERY slowly. Hoping OW2 means they're changing that thought process.
Side note, pretty sure this is what supports carrying looks like.
Our Mercy was amazing, and it helped that their Winston was awful.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Nepal Village is one of the worst maps to me because it's the strongest hold and hold forever first fight wins, it's worse than Busan Downtown. Lijiang I get tired of because it's now such a dive only map across all three, and the new Pharah buff makes the Garden just pointless after the first fight. I'd like to have a thin walkway right between going left or right that is at least another avenue for getting on the point instead of the bridge being Boop City and the other side being Roadhog hold the line. The new walkway can be another boop potential but at least it means Pharah and Lucio can't camp one side forever always.
If they want to finally nerf Lucio or firmly push him into speed over heals or make wall ride require skill again, then do that and let's see, as well as nerf Richard Hammond (at least let me build ult off his shield ability). As for the new bans, I'm glad Zarya's getting time off, in the world or normies she has been under the radar in terms too strong for a while, she needs to at least have a bigger hitbox or longer cooldown or bubble distance.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Hero bans for OWL and comp this week:
-McCree
-Widowmaker
-Reinhardt
-Bridget
It was a good weekend of games too if you need background noise.
You can tell the weekend was an unmitigatable fuckfest not by the 1-9 record in replays, but by logging on to seven straight "thank you for your report" notifications.
And the effects seem to be that the DPS queue has predictably exploded, and everybody and their aunt has decided to be unfathomable assholes. Just two weeks ago, it seemed like the game had turned a corner and was back to how it used to be. Guess I was just on a lucky run.
And the effects seem to be that the DPS queue has predictably exploded, and everybody and their aunt has decided to be unfathomable assholes. Just two weeks ago, it seemed like the game had turned a corner and was back to how it used to be. Guess I was just on a lucky run.
The queues for that role will always be bad right after a new hero is released, especially when the role is DPS which it will be sometimes. People want to play new shit, that's just how it works.
And the effects seem to be that the DPS queue has predictably exploded, and everybody and their aunt has decided to be unfathomable assholes. Just two weeks ago, it seemed like the game had turned a corner and was back to how it used to be. Guess I was just on a lucky run.
The queues for that role will always be bad right after a new hero is released, especially when the role is DPS which it will be sometimes. People want to play new shit, that's just how it works.
I'm pretty certain they could surprise release three tanks tomorrow, and the DPS queue would still be be worse than the tank queue.
E:
Oh, this is fun. Apparently this update fucked with custom key bindings if you have them set for heroes. So, uh... make sure you check that.
What a fun surprise!
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miscellaneousinsanitygrass grows, birds fly, sun shines,and brother, i hurt peopleRegistered Userregular
hmm, i didn't notice my keybinds on other heroes being messed up but i definitely had to manually change some echo keybinds
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited April 2020
Water is wet and Echo is OP. She's not Bridget or Sigma launch terrible, but that's only with me assuming most obvious nerfs needed to her that should come next PTR/experiment:
-when she dies in ult she needs to die
-you cannot block off a player from switching heroes if Echo is currently copying the character
-don't put glide on the same button as secondary fire (LT/L2), they tried to copy Pharah's controller layout and seem to not realize she only has one fire mode.
Beyond that her beam needs a much longer cooldown, it's really the ult being complete Mei level denial that's screwing things up. Two hour QP impressions but what I am seeing right now is Echo is setting up Doomfist in a pre-team dive, just going ahead and launching all her abilities, and Doom clears space with Moira and Lucio AoE heal rush with DvA and Roadhog to finish the fight. Honestly, make Echo 150 HP so that makes her punished hard and that would really separate her from Pharah.
Edit: Hot Rod is her best skin
They also introduced old school competitive to Arcade, which you can easily roll on if you can convince your team to go goats or 4 tank/2 support because they kept the 2/2/2 balances.
But really, more than anything, the Smurf Zaryas are scummiest shit suckers of all the smurfs in this game, and it's even more obvious on console who the smurfs are because they have >100 gamerscores.
the next experimental card changes are targeted at CC reduction across multiple heroes.
we’re not currently working on bastion changes but are happy to listen to any feedback you have.
Interesting they're considering a systemic CC reduction. I would guess Mei, Wrecking Ball, and Doomfist being the worst offenders could get their CC nerfed with other kit buffs to compensate. Maybe Roadhog and Orisa if they really want to cut back.
Systematic CC reduction would be nice, but they should be incentivizing things better ahead of making shitty parts less shitty, since those shitty parts are also the only things keeping stuff like Doomfist under control. Then again, making the playerbase contain 2% fewer miserable cunts would also go a long way to addressing issues.
Echo was as miserable to deal with as either tank or support as I expected. She's too quiet, too immediately deadly at long to mid-range to both tanks and healers without even needing to land headshots, and I don't see how anybody can defend her ult as it exists right now. Imagine if Genji, instead of dying when he was killed while ulting, got a full heal to start to maximize it, and just had it cut short and got a second full heal as "thanks for trying". 95% of the point of Winston's ult is that he gets a full heal, and she gets two, plus a cleanse, plus invulnerability, plus more ults... which could include another full heal if she dupes a Winston. Only played three games yesterday, because they were all packed with racist assholes, including one out and out literal Nazi, but I think the worst single (intended, not asshole-related) experience was when an Echo duped a Doom. Dive-uppercut, ult, rocket punch, ult, dive-uppercut, ult. Straight through barriers. Generating more shields with each attack. Was even hooked but already had enough shields to shrug off the shot before ulting, and pretty sure she would've killed our Hog regardless even if he got the 'kill' since, you know, full HP.
Also, apparent fun fact, Echo's beam can't kill a 200 HP character. It leaves them at like 40 HP. But because of tick rules, it does kill a 199 HP character.
i'm definitely liking that having an enemy echo should make a team think about how their pick could be turned against them. Switching to a reaper or hog and having their ult go off twice was brutal.
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People are talking, people are trying strats, people are swapping in and out of the heroes that have changes to get a feel for things. I think I am just going to play here moving forward.
kana@12104
sent a friend request if you guys are still playing
hell on earth
(it's fun as an opt-in gimmick thing, but if this was every match i would have quit years ago, good lord)
Fun fact: people bitched and moaned and claimed that the game was ruined when they put in the character restriction.
What followed was an object lesson in "kill the support first."
Reaper view:
Moira view:
Good god. Admittedly, probably wrong to ult there, but can't argue with results. Or adrenaline.
DvA
Ana
Reaper
Sombra
edit: also all the Experimental changes went live today, which is.....silly. Ashe is more busted than what people say McCree is, only she has a solid ult. No wonder I was cleaning house with Pharah one game.
I was just thinking tonight that it'd been a while not only since I had a really shitty night, but that I've been subjected to the same kind of toxic assholes that were the norm through December and January. Lo and behold, the next two matches had someone who said "fuck this game" and left 40 seconds in as we were winning the first push, and then someone who responded to "Genji, switch" with a torrent of nonstop racism. Well, I assume nonstop. I muted him after about 20 seconds. Still, it's been world's better recently than things were a couple months ago. Honestly couldn't even tell you why.
I'm also starting to really think that Reinhardt's ult needs to be massively buffed. As strong as earth shatter can theoretically be, it's easy to interrupt, and it's the only ult in the game that if it hits any kind of barrier or extrusion at all, even one fucking behind him because it inexplicably radiates from his feet instead of where the animation indicates, is just completely stopped cold and does literally nothing. Even a blocked deadeye will still pop the shield, and virtually all DPS ults, even if blocked, will still melt whatever barrier they're up against while doing damage to anything/everything around or through them. Fuck, most of them can't even be fully eaten by DVa/Sigma because they last longer than it. At least make it destroy all barriers it hits instead of disappearing harmlessly. Of course, just fucking fixing all of Reinhardt's bugs would count as a massive buff to him. As usual, I think his general brokenness and every time you hit Q, Shift, or E, you're rolling the dice as to what is going to happen, is the only thing keeping him in line.
we're playing again, have room!
My first week of OW I literally had a five minute OT because of this on the last push of King's Row.
Between that, double Bastions and 4-5 Torbs...good riddance.
And at least with steadfast being nerfed a bit Rein's not on my list of issues right now. I'm much more annoyed with the OP broken Ashe and rapid fire Pharmercy we were given this week.
tldr;
-Hero Pool will be the same for OWL, Contenders, and regular comp, 1/2/1 picks from the highest picked players over two weeks of data (bans will still be one week)
-Comp map pools will be every map but Paris and Horizon, which lol they're still unable to make them not trashfires and said they'll be put in rotation when they fix them
Although I do find it funny that they're abandoning the supposed clownparty randomness approach without ever once touching DPS favorites like Genji and Rat.
They should just rework Horizon and Paris into some other mode entirely. Even if they were 'fixed' (as much as any 2 CP map can be fixed), they'll still have the stigma attached.
What's wrong with them? They're not overly friendly to snipers. No ridiculous yet unavoidable killboxes. Quality environmental options.
yeah those maps aren't actually poorly designed, in fact they're many people's favorite koth maps! i don't love nepal but i definitely don't think it needs a full-on redesign
A resounding meh was felt, although I'm sure a bunch of DPS are going to be shocked at the results without a Zarya enabling them.
I think they saw what Fortnite was doing with its big hyped up stuff and thematic seasons and wanted that.
But they didn't want to do all the cosmetics, cinematics, lore updates, and map stuff that goes with it. So... none of the work that goes into promoting it. It certainly could be a cool idea if they actually were willing to have storylines, and wouldn't even need to do a bunch of stuff. Lord knows, the stupid Numbani airport is never getting fixed, but it's the kind of unimportant map change that helps sell that stuff. Buuuut they seem content to just trickle out content very, very, very, VERY slowly. Hoping OW2 means they're changing that thought process.
Side note, pretty sure this is what supports carrying looks like.
Our Mercy was amazing, and it helped that their Winston was awful.
If they want to finally nerf Lucio or firmly push him into speed over heals or make wall ride require skill again, then do that and let's see, as well as nerf Richard Hammond (at least let me build ult off his shield ability). As for the new bans, I'm glad Zarya's getting time off, in the world or normies she has been under the radar in terms too strong for a while, she needs to at least have a bigger hitbox or longer cooldown or bubble distance.
-McCree
-Widowmaker
-Reinhardt
-Bridget
It was a good weekend of games too if you need background noise.
I suspect you're only saying that because Houston had a good weekend, but yeah. There were a bunch of close matches.
And the effects seem to be that the DPS queue has predictably exploded, and everybody and their aunt has decided to be unfathomable assholes. Just two weeks ago, it seemed like the game had turned a corner and was back to how it used to be. Guess I was just on a lucky run.
The queues for that role will always be bad right after a new hero is released, especially when the role is DPS which it will be sometimes. People want to play new shit, that's just how it works.
I'm pretty certain they could surprise release three tanks tomorrow, and the DPS queue would still be be worse than the tank queue.
E:
Oh, this is fun. Apparently this update fucked with custom key bindings if you have them set for heroes. So, uh... make sure you check that.
What a fun surprise!
-when she dies in ult she needs to die
-you cannot block off a player from switching heroes if Echo is currently copying the character
-don't put glide on the same button as secondary fire (LT/L2), they tried to copy Pharah's controller layout and seem to not realize she only has one fire mode.
Beyond that her beam needs a much longer cooldown, it's really the ult being complete Mei level denial that's screwing things up. Two hour QP impressions but what I am seeing right now is Echo is setting up Doomfist in a pre-team dive, just going ahead and launching all her abilities, and Doom clears space with Moira and Lucio AoE heal rush with DvA and Roadhog to finish the fight. Honestly, make Echo 150 HP so that makes her punished hard and that would really separate her from Pharah.
Edit: Hot Rod is her best skin
They also introduced old school competitive to Arcade, which you can easily roll on if you can convince your team to go goats or 4 tank/2 support because they kept the 2/2/2 balances.
But really, more than anything, the Smurf Zaryas are scummiest shit suckers of all the smurfs in this game, and it's even more obvious on console who the smurfs are because they have >100 gamerscores.
Interesting they're considering a systemic CC reduction. I would guess Mei, Wrecking Ball, and Doomfist being the worst offenders could get their CC nerfed with other kit buffs to compensate. Maybe Roadhog and Orisa if they really want to cut back.
Isn't it just that any time any character on the opposing team's ult would give good value if your team had it, you copy them and use it?
Copy a tank, spawn in their back line?
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Echo was as miserable to deal with as either tank or support as I expected. She's too quiet, too immediately deadly at long to mid-range to both tanks and healers without even needing to land headshots, and I don't see how anybody can defend her ult as it exists right now. Imagine if Genji, instead of dying when he was killed while ulting, got a full heal to start to maximize it, and just had it cut short and got a second full heal as "thanks for trying". 95% of the point of Winston's ult is that he gets a full heal, and she gets two, plus a cleanse, plus invulnerability, plus more ults... which could include another full heal if she dupes a Winston. Only played three games yesterday, because they were all packed with racist assholes, including one out and out literal Nazi, but I think the worst single (intended, not asshole-related) experience was when an Echo duped a Doom. Dive-uppercut, ult, rocket punch, ult, dive-uppercut, ult. Straight through barriers. Generating more shields with each attack. Was even hooked but already had enough shields to shrug off the shot before ulting, and pretty sure she would've killed our Hog regardless even if he got the 'kill' since, you know, full HP.
Also, apparent fun fact, Echo's beam can't kill a 200 HP character. It leaves them at like 40 HP. But because of tick rules, it does kill a 199 HP character.
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