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I'm not tryna tell y'all how to feel about this show, unlike Pooro over there telling me I'm wrong for how I experienced it. But yeah, cool, more power to y'all for enjoying your stuff.
Dude you rolled into a thread of folks enjoying a thing and shit all over it, while catching other stuff people like in the spray. I don't know what response you were hoping for or expecting
I was expecting to share an opinion on a show on the internet, I didn't realize this was For Fans Only. I got it now, though.
people are allowed to think your opinion is not very interesting, especially when you are being deliberately unpleasant while you express it
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
edited December 2019
So Damon Lindelof had an anecdote ages back about Lost that felt very much like a moment in the Watchmen finale.
I believe it was during a signing after season 1's finale ended. And someone asked him what was in the hatch. And Damon Lindelof signed whatever they were getting signed with (and paraphrasing here) "a man pressing a button every 108 minutes to stop the end of the world" because who would believe that
I got big vibes of that when Ozymandias just casually dropped where he'd been all these years.
So like, were people just supposed to see the comment, nod, and move on? Or were you wanting people to talk with you about it? I mean, talking about it is the assumption we’re gonna make.
Like, from that post all you did was say the show’s bad and so are this guy’s other things. So obviously the only discussion you can get back is “actually it is good.” If you had said what didn’t work for you and what did, you may have still gotten people disagreeing but then it could’ve been a conversation instead of whatever this whole thing is.
Seasons 4-6 of Lost are legit great, I swear it seems like some people think nothing happened after season 3 and they were all actually dead the whole time
I missed out on Lost when it was airing live, so by the time I got around to it the show didn’t really resonate with me. I didn’t have the water cooler conversation to drive me to stick with it, and I had absorbed a whole lot of stuff that happens already through cultural osmosis. I burned out before the end of the first season.
But I could see what people liked about it and why it became a thing. The pilot was incredible and watching week to week must’ve been wild.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Yeah I will certainly half of the appeal of Lost was just freaking out with friends between episodes and deep deep dives into Lostpedia
Seasons 4-6 of Lost are legit great, I swear it seems like some people think nothing happened after season 3 and they were all actually dead the whole time
I loved Lost, but I lost steam and never finished the final season. It just didn't work for me.
The whole Internet bit where people took it personally and have spent so many years raging about how Lindelof sucks that it has become a part of their personality, though? That's just weird, especially since Lindelof is on the back of two stellar shows for HBO.
Yeah I will certainly half of the appeal of Lost was just freaking out with friends between episodes and deep deep dives into Lostpedia
Lost and Battlestar Galactica were part of that very uncomfortable era of TV when showrunners realized that the audience liked serialization, but it didn't click yet that this meant that they needed to have a front to back vision of what kind of story they wanted to tell. That doesn't mean plotting out every moment in advance, but it was an era when way too many showrunners set up a mystery in the front half and then got trapped when they realized they had to pay it off somehow in the back end.
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Sweeney Tomtry The Substanceit changed my lifeRegistered Userregular
For all the issues I had with the last season of Lost, the last two years of The Leftovers more than made up for it, and I do think he's one of my favorite major living figures in TV now that he followed it up with these incredible 9 episodes of Watchmen
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Battlestar Galactica had so much promise that drizzled into so much garbage.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Battlestar Galactica had so much promise that drizzled into so much garbage.
Both Lost and Battlestar Galactica had the issue where the writers got trapped by the plot, threw up their hands, and went, "Because magic!" Even then, I'd absolutely recommend someone who hadn't seen them give them a watch, since there are hours of excellent TV that you can enjoy despite the endings.
None of that applies to Watchmen, though. It's one of the most tightly plotted shows I've ever watched, and it's full of "Oh shit!" revelations on rewatch.
Phillishere on
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Sweeney Tomtry The Substanceit changed my lifeRegistered Userregular
The first three and a half seasons of BSG are still some of my fav TV ever and I still rewatch a lot of those eps even today
But then the last half season happened and everyone remembered they needed to actually end a show, and welp
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
My favorite BSG episode is probably the one at the very start where they have to keep making jumps to escape and everyone is testy and low on sleep.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
If Lost had developed a plan and stuck to it from the start, most of what made that show special wouldn't have happened
I don't think Lost needed an episode to episode master plan, but they absolutely should have filled in the series bible with the answers to the big mysteries. They also were operating in the era when showrunners were very reactionary when it came to Internet sleuths and frequently changed gears just because someone on the Internet figured out a mystery.
Lindelof talks about that on the official HBO Watchmen podcast. At some point, he said he realized that you will never be so clever that someone out there can't figure things out, good writing requires giving the audience the clues they need to piece together a mystery, and the secret is to just tell the story you need to tell without worrying too much about the Internet speculation.
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SnicketysnickThe Greatest Hype Man inWesterosRegistered Userregular
If Lost had developed a plan and stuck to it from the start, most of what made that show special wouldn't have happened
I don't think Lost needed an episode to episode master plan, but they absolutely should have filled in the series bible with the answers to the big mysteries. They also were operating in the era when showrunners were very reactionary when it came to Internet sleuths and frequently changed gears just because someone on the Internet figured out a mystery.
Lindelof talks about that on the official HBO Watchmen podcast. At some point, he said he realized that you will never be so clever that someone out there can't figure things out, good writing requires giving the audience the clues they need to piece together a mystery, and the secret is to just tell the story you need to tell without worrying too much about the Internet speculation.
Somebody send that podcast to the WestWorld office
Prometheus is not nearly as bad as reputation suggests!
it's an overall well-made movie (aside from the score) that is making some extremely goddamn stupid assertions about humanity, religion, and especially science
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Oh sure. But viewing it from the vantage point of being a throwback to shit like Planet of the Vampires, which in and of itself was a big reference point to Alien, it works as like a fully realized and gorgeous piece of b-movie schlock
Though in any case. I'm not sure how much of the film's issues really fall to Lindelof anyways
I missed out on Lost, and made it through most of S1 of The Leftovers before I decided the overwhelmingly bleak narrative was more than I wanted to deal with on a Sunday night.
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Sweeney Tomtry The Substanceit changed my lifeRegistered Userregular
Oh sure. But viewing it from the vantage point of being a throwback to shit like Planet of the Vampires, which in and of itself was a big reference point to Alien, it works as like a fully realized and gorgeous piece of b-movie schlock
Though in any case. I'm not sure how much of the film's issues really fall to Lindelof anyways
I remember reading something he said about it that made it sound like most of the issues that I had with it came from Scott, and he said it in such a way that it didn't seem like he was trying to throw Scott under the bus or anything, so whatever
I don't like most of his other work anyway but I'm not grinding any axes with his name on them over Prometheus
Prometheus is not nearly as bad as reputation suggests!
it's an overall well-made movie (aside from the score) that is making some extremely goddamn stupid assertions about humanity, religion, and especially science
like what? to me its assertions are philosophically sound. the search for a creator (and by extension of the metaphor, grander meaning) is worthwhile even if the answers are not the ones you expect
pretty sure i've done my dash going over this on this forum though
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
Little too Chariots of the Gods for me which leaves a bad taste in my mouth these days.
Little too Chariots of the Gods for me which leaves a bad taste in my mouth these days.
see it could easily be the case, but because its framed in imagery and subversions of orthodox catholicism and a capital G God it becomes super interesting
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
the short version is that it's an anti-science movie, it doesn't consider non faith-based inquiry to be valid, and even that is hubristic given what happens to the main character in the sequel
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people are allowed to think your opinion is not very interesting, especially when you are being deliberately unpleasant while you express it
I got big vibes of that when Ozymandias just casually dropped where he'd been all these years.
Like, from that post all you did was say the show’s bad and so are this guy’s other things. So obviously the only discussion you can get back is “actually it is good.” If you had said what didn’t work for you and what did, you may have still gotten people disagreeing but then it could’ve been a conversation instead of whatever this whole thing is.
But I could see what people liked about it and why it became a thing. The pilot was incredible and watching week to week must’ve been wild.
I loved Lost, but I lost steam and never finished the final season. It just didn't work for me.
The whole Internet bit where people took it personally and have spent so many years raging about how Lindelof sucks that it has become a part of their personality, though? That's just weird, especially since Lindelof is on the back of two stellar shows for HBO.
Lost and Battlestar Galactica were part of that very uncomfortable era of TV when showrunners realized that the audience liked serialization, but it didn't click yet that this meant that they needed to have a front to back vision of what kind of story they wanted to tell. That doesn't mean plotting out every moment in advance, but it was an era when way too many showrunners set up a mystery in the front half and then got trapped when they realized they had to pay it off somehow in the back end.
Steam
Both Lost and Battlestar Galactica had the issue where the writers got trapped by the plot, threw up their hands, and went, "Because magic!" Even then, I'd absolutely recommend someone who hadn't seen them give them a watch, since there are hours of excellent TV that you can enjoy despite the endings.
None of that applies to Watchmen, though. It's one of the most tightly plotted shows I've ever watched, and it's full of "Oh shit!" revelations on rewatch.
But then the last half season happened and everyone remembered they needed to actually end a show, and welp
Steam
BSG is the only television show I've watched from front to back 4 times.
I've seen that one on several "Best Episode of All Time" lists. It's really great.
Like, the best episode of the show is "one character tries to go from an island to a boat and has problems" from a larger plot perspective
I don't think Lost needed an episode to episode master plan, but they absolutely should have filled in the series bible with the answers to the big mysteries. They also were operating in the era when showrunners were very reactionary when it came to Internet sleuths and frequently changed gears just because someone on the Internet figured out a mystery.
Lindelof talks about that on the official HBO Watchmen podcast. At some point, he said he realized that you will never be so clever that someone out there can't figure things out, good writing requires giving the audience the clues they need to piece together a mystery, and the secret is to just tell the story you need to tell without worrying too much about the Internet speculation.
Somebody send that podcast to the WestWorld office
A close second for me is the one with the boxing match, but the coda on it is dumb enough to keep it out of the top slot
doesnt wolverine fight a magic panda in that one
it's an overall well-made movie (aside from the score) that is making some extremely goddamn stupid assertions about humanity, religion, and especially science
Though in any case. I'm not sure how much of the film's issues really fall to Lindelof anyways
Steam
It’s a difficult day for all of us.
I remember reading something he said about it that made it sound like most of the issues that I had with it came from Scott, and he said it in such a way that it didn't seem like he was trying to throw Scott under the bus or anything, so whatever
I don't like most of his other work anyway but I'm not grinding any axes with his name on them over Prometheus
like what? to me its assertions are philosophically sound. the search for a creator (and by extension of the metaphor, grander meaning) is worthwhile even if the answers are not the ones you expect
pretty sure i've done my dash going over this on this forum though
see it could easily be the case, but because its framed in imagery and subversions of orthodox catholicism and a capital G God it becomes super interesting