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  • ArdolArdol Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Warren didn't compromise though? Her plan is that if she gets people on the public option and people can see that it is actually good, that the rest of M4A will be made significantly easier to pass. You might disagree with her plan! But it's not a compromise, it's a difference in tactics.

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    Like these two people are close allies with the same goal, it is wildly silly to try to pry apart their positions on this just so that it's easier to make a choice in the primary. If either of them wins, the other is immediately a key player in their administration! Because of all the work they keep doing together! On this!

    the point of a primary is to nitpick between the candidates. if these differences didn't matter than what are we doing here

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Xehalus wrote: »
    so was Bloomberg asked to steal the nomination from Bernie and Warren

    that's seems like the general idea here

    If he was, it was an amazingly bad idea unless the actual hope was to split the moderate vote more

    Plutocratic vanity campaigns are the rage nowadays

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    To me he's been selling that that's his goal. But I don't think most of his supporters are dumb enough to assume once he's in office he will be king and decree shit. I understand that sometimes your goals have to get modified a bit. I dunno why people think Bernie supporters don't understand this. Also he's got more goals than this, it's not his 'singular promise'

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    To me he's been selling that that's his goal. But I don't think most of his supporters are dumb enough to assume once he's in office he will be king and decree shit. I understand that sometimes your goals have to get modified a bit. I dunno why people think Bernie supporters don't understand this. Also he's got more goals than this, it's not his 'singular promise'

    because I still have a hard time taking any of his policy goals seriously when he doesn't want to address the undemocratic nature of the senate

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    how housebroken are you, pet

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Ardol wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Warren didn't compromise though? Her plan is that if she gets people on the public option and people can see that it is actually good, that the rest of M4A will be made significantly easier to pass. You might disagree with her plan! But it's not a compromise, it's a difference in tactics.

    i dunno if i agree with that, but i can at the very least understand and respect that perspective

    i was more responding to the idea that Sanders is somehow doing a bad job because he "hasn't been selling compromise or reasonability." like, yeah no shit. i'd be mad at him if he was.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Ardol wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Warren didn't compromise though? Her plan is that if she gets people on the public option and people can see that it is actually good, that the rest of M4A will be made significantly easier to pass. You might disagree with her plan! But it's not a compromise, it's a difference in tactics.

    She compromised because she initially said she was on favor of Bernie's plan, then changed that around. Some people disagree that this is a compromise or a shift to the middle but it sure seemed like one to me and a lot of others.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    Like these two people are close allies with the same goal, it is wildly silly to try to pry apart their positions on this just so that it's easier to make a choice in the primary. If either of them wins, the other is immediately a key player in their administration! Because of all the work they keep doing together! On this!

    the point of a primary is to nitpick between the candidates. if these differences didn't matter than what are we doing here

    to be fair, the media is doing a great job saying that the only differences that matter are those between Sanders and The Moderate Conglomerate

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Warren has been too quick to listen to old guard of the party for advice and it has cost her.

    Shit, the only reason she got the blood test was because Jon Favreau suggested it on Twitter.

    I still think she’s a good bridge between the current establishment and the Bernie wing but she has terrible political instincts.

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    "electability". "compromise". how's that been working out for y'all these last thirty years? real great? been winnin', son? if two moderate republicans in the rust belt would have voted democrat instead of one Coastal Elite, you wouldn't keep fuckin' losing. the other side will not afford you the same luxury, and we keep dying. no more compromises.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

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  • ArdolArdol Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Ardol wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Warren didn't compromise though? Her plan is that if she gets people on the public option and people can see that it is actually good, that the rest of M4A will be made significantly easier to pass. You might disagree with her plan! But it's not a compromise, it's a difference in tactics.

    She compromised because she initially said she was on favor of Bernie's plan, then changed that around. Some people disagree that this is a compromise or a shift to the middle but it sure seemed like one to me and a lot of others.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they have the same end point but disagree on the path to get there it is difficult to see how that is a shift to the middle. If they both wanted a $15 dollar minimum wage but one proposed a jump halfway immediately and the other half after two years, and the other proposed jumping to $15 after one year they are still both supporting the same thing imo. Just a different strategy to get there.

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Didn't AOC just give away the game, then, by admitting the political realities mean M4A will be a difficult lift?

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

    yet you participate in society. curious!

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    do you people think I'm not gonna pull the lever for bernie or something?

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

    yet you participate in society. curious!

    no, I mean, exactly dude

    we all fukkin participate in society

    talking big revolution words doesn't mean shit

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
    No-Quarter
  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

    “you said on an iPhone”

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    Aioua wrote: »
    do you people think I'm not gonna pull the lever for bernie or something?

    do you people think i will for anyone that isn't bernie? fuckin try me, buckaroo

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    God damnit

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    No-Quarter wrote: »

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability.

    Where on Earth did you get the idea that anyone you're talking to wants Bernie to compromise

    Read the room

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    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Didn't AOC just give away the game, then, by admitting the political realities mean M4A will be a difficult lift?

    I mean from my perspective? Yeah I am of the opinion that that wasn't a great idea. I'm not really sure why you're so hung up on this

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

    Me neither given all the strawmen you post.

    You still got nothing.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    electability!
    the tone of everything became so different once people realized "vote blue no matter who" might mean they have to vote for bernie rather than something they get to smugly tell sanders supporters

    This is pretty real

    On both sides of the party, honestly. The progressive vs moderate rhetoric is hardening a lot. It'll be interesting to see how we manage that in the general.

    Here's a question: let's assume, and I think this is safe, that most of the party in Congress will still be moderate. Even assuming that the Senate flips, it's still going to be much closer to the middle than Bernie is.

    Do his supporters still think we go full revolution, swing for the socialist fences remake the country? A Trumpian realignment to the left, his way or the highway? Or will they look for party unity within, and modulate somewhat?

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Whippy wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    do you people think I'm not gonna pull the lever for bernie or something?

    do you people think i will for anyone that isn't bernie? fuckin try me, buckaroo

    well then I god damn hope he keeps holding the nomination

    otherwise it's gonna be trump

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    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    So, I will pull the lever for Bernie; twice if it were legal, if he is the D candidate in the general.

    But I have issues with someone who has been in the system as long as him selling a vision of a blue wave rising up and making the politicians vote for the good stuff when he knows for a FACT it doesn’t work.

    I give Obama a pass because he was a junior senator and we saw the dissolution of his idealism in real time over 8 years until he left office rather bitter at the whole thing.

    Bernie doesn’t have that excuse. He knows the flaws in the system. And his plans do nothing to address them, let alone talk about how you can practically work around them.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

    yet you participate in society. curious!

    no, I mean, exactly dude

    we all fukkin participate in society

    talking big revolution words doesn't mean shit

    what indication do you have that i don't do anything

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

    Me neither given all the strawmen you post.

    You still got nothing.

    i haven't posted any strawmen, i just made fun of you. you're invoking the wrong fallacies of me

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability.

    Where on Earth did you get the idea that anyone you're talking to wants Bernie to compromise

    Read the room

    He's going to HAVE to that's the point. And when he does, how will his supporters respond when he's been ginning them up with big talk about revolutions and bullshit?

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

    yet you participate in society. curious!

    no, I mean, exactly dude

    we all fukkin participate in society

    talking big revolution words doesn't mean shit

    what indication do you have that i don't do anything

    so what do you do?

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular


    Have we talked about how Pete's comms director was probably operating a sock-puppet twitter account where she was pretending to be Nigerian?

    Cause, fucking lol, was probably operating a sock-puppet twitter account where she was pretending to be Nigerian.

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

    Me neither given all the strawmen you post.

    You still got nothing.

    i haven't posted any strawmen, i just made fun of you. you're invoking the wrong fallacies of me

    You just implied I was Ben Shapiro you goose.

    Try again. Try harder.

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

    There has certainly been signs and portents

    Broke as fuck in the style of the times. Gratitude is all that can return on your generosity.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
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    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
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    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    i mean we're living through the alternative of that and it's not going so hot so i don't know that you have the high ground on this one

    so you're

    not willing to go camp outside his house then?

    sounds like you're still on team status quo

    yet you participate in society. curious!

    no, I mean, exactly dude

    we all fukkin participate in society

    talking big revolution words doesn't mean shit

    this entire conversational thread started because i said i wasn't impressed by people calling him "moscow mitch"

    i would be impressed if someone punched him in the face

    at least for the time being i'm not gonna be the guy to do that on account of he is very far away from me, i'm not very fit, and also i am a coward

    but if someone did i'd be hootin' and hollerin' for them

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

    Me neither given all the strawmen you post.

    You still got nothing.

    i haven't posted any strawmen, i just made fun of you. you're invoking the wrong fallacies of me

    You just implied I was Ben Shapiro you goose.

    Try again. Try harder.

    See, the great thing is that no one really has to try, you do perfectly fine on your own

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Ardol wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

    Warren didn't compromise though? Her plan is that if she gets people on the public option and people can see that it is actually good, that the rest of M4A will be made significantly easier to pass. You might disagree with her plan! But it's not a compromise, it's a difference in tactics.

    She compromised because she initially said she was on favor of Bernie's plan, then changed that around. Some people disagree that this is a compromise or a shift to the middle but it sure seemed like one to me and a lot of others.

    She is still in favour of Sanders' end goal. She just has a different idea about how you get there.

    She's still signed on to Sanders' bill in the Senate too afaik.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

    Not my fault that you cant back up what you say.

    i didn't realize ben shapiro posted here

    Me neither given all the strawmen you post.

    You still got nothing.

    i haven't posted any strawmen, i just made fun of you. you're invoking the wrong fallacies of me

    You just implied I was Ben Shapiro you goose.

    Try again. Try harder.

    If you read that comment and thought they were actually suggesting you were actually Ben Shapiro, the problem is with you.

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