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The on-going protests against [Police Brutality] in the twin cities and beyond

BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
edited May 2020 in Debate and/or Discourse
I don't know how much media attention this is getting, but I figured since the riots are going into their third day, we should maybe have a thread. I mostly see updates from independent news sources (Unicorn Riot) and other Antifa people on Twitter, and nothing from the normal media/political people I follow.

On Tuesday, George Floyd was killed by police officer Derek Chauvin (that name will come up again later)

Four officers responded to a call about a 'Forgery in Progress' which I've personally never heard of before. Upon arriving at the scene of the forgery, the 4 officers found George Floyd in his car. They removed him from his car, and officer Derek Chauvin put him into a choke hold, which are illegal in Minneapolis. While George was on the ground, Derek put his knee into his neck and sat there for approximately 7 minutes, including the final 2-3minutes after George was unconscious, killing him. George is heard multiple times on video saying he cannot breath. People on the street are heard telling the cop George cannot breath and he is unconscious.

After killing George, he was put into an ambulance and taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. The police are calling it a 'medical incident resulting in death'

Derek Chauvin and the three other officers that stood by and watched were all fired by Tuesday night. This is not the first time Derek Chauvin has killed as an officer of this police force, in 2006 Wayne Reyes was shot and killed by 6 officers, including Derek. There are 7 complaints listed on the City of Minneapolis website for Chauvin, Derek, all seven listed as 'Closed. No Discipline. Non-Public complaint' Amy Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney that decided not to prosecute Derek Chauvin in 2006. He was also placed on leave in 2011 when he shot a Native American man.


So on Tuesday night, protests erupted at the 3rd Prescient in the Twin Cities. And again on Wednesday. And also right now.

This killing follows the 2016 killing of black man Philandro Castile who was shot 7 times by an officer after telling the officer he had a gun in his car. Approximately 95% of the Minneapolis Saint-Paul police force does not live in the city they are supposed to protect. Approximately 80% of the police force is white, whereas only 64% of the city is white

Please use this thread to talk about policing/protests that are on going in the Twin Cities region.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
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  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    I'm sure that this time the Cops involved will face punishment.

    Wonder how many protest leaders are going to be found "mysteriously" dead in the months to come

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Magell wrote: »
    I'm sure that this time the Cops involved will face punishment.

    Well they threw the black Somali cop that shot the white woman to death in Minneapolis in prison.

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  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Copied from the SE++ thread


    Ever notice how it's only after the police start firing on crowds that fires start breaking out?





    Dr. Jason Johnson is a professor of politics and journalism at Morgan State University and a political analyst.

    Yeah, the police are basically setting incidentally off the fires and then letting them burn with the complicity of local fire departments. That's how it happens. Then it gets blamed on "rioters."

  • I ZimbraI Zimbra Worst song, played on ugliest guitar Registered User regular
    This one feels different somehow. I've seen quite a few police chiefs from other locales and even the FOP condemn the cops when this is typically the kind of thing they would close ranks around.

    I'm doubtful it'll lead to any kind of real structural change but it is interesting nonetheless.

  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    The area where the riots are taking place is my old neighborhood. The cold blooded killing of an innocent human being by corrupt, racist cops was heartbreaking enough. Seeing my old neighborhood in flames is salt in the wound.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »
    This one feels different somehow. I've seen quite a few police chiefs from other locales and even the FOP condemn the cops when this is typically the kind of thing they would close ranks around.

    I'm doubtful it'll lead to any kind of real structural change but it is interesting nonetheless.

    The level of anger around this one around the country is scaring them. This feels different, and everyone's tempers are already on edge.

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I feel like this encapsulates why this feels different:

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Besides the expected anti-police rioters, there are also some White Nationalists/ accelerationists at this event, which could be part of why it feels different.

  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Magell wrote: »
    I'm sure that this time the Cops involved will face punishment.

    Wonder how many protest leaders are going to be found "mysteriously" dead in the months to come

    For those who don't know, six major Ferguson protesters and protest leaders died under what can best be called "highly suspicious circumstances" over the following months. Two were straight out murdered, shot to death then placed in cars set on fire, and four others died in ways that the cops ruled "suicide" after perfunctory "investigations." Other protesters have had multiple attempts made on their lives that the police "never solved." The cops or associated parties to them almost certainly assassinated those six and have been trying to kill and/or intimidate the rest.

  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    I'm sure that this time the Cops involved will face punishment.

    Wonder how many protest leaders are going to be found "mysteriously" dead in the months to come

    For those who don't know, six major Ferguson protesters and protest leaders died under what can best be called "highly suspicious circumstances" over the following months. Two were straight out murdered, shot to death then placed in cars set on fire, and four others died in ways that the cops ruled "suicide" after perfunctory "investigations." Other protesters have had multiple attempts made on their lives that the police "never solved." The cops or associated parties to them almost certainly assassinated those six and have been trying to kill and/or intimidate the rest.

    I'd actually look first at the white nationalists. I know from local reports and things I've heard from activist friends that every one of these white nationalist marches has been accompanied by acts of violence against minorities in their cities leading up to and after the marches.

    Those get swallowed into police reports, but there is a growing suspicion that the white power set is quietly committing major acts of violence between their public displays. Murdering BlackLivesMaters activists would fit into that.

  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I feel like this encapsulates why this feels different:


    Protestors have also surrounded the house of the cop at the center of this. Right now, it's just a crowd and the most they've done is turn away food delivery drivers, but I don't think the overall message has been lost.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »
    This one feels different somehow. I've seen quite a few police chiefs from other locales and even the FOP condemn the cops when this is typically the kind of thing they would close ranks around.

    I'm doubtful it'll lead to any kind of real structural change but it is interesting nonetheless.

    It's the same dynamic that saw Mike Nifong get disbarred - there is no spinning what happened, so better to speedbump the cops involved as aberrations rather than people getting the idea that this is how cops operate.

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  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    I will say the COVIDidiots do have an idea that works. Maybe these protestors should all show up, armed, at the police station and homes of the individual officers involved to peacefully protest.



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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    I Zimbra wrote: »
    This one feels different somehow. I've seen quite a few police chiefs from other locales and even the FOP condemn the cops when this is typically the kind of thing they would close ranks around.

    I'm doubtful it'll lead to any kind of real structural change but it is interesting nonetheless.

    It's the same dynamic that saw Mike Nifong get disbarred - there is no spinning what happened, so better to speedbump the cops involved as aberrations rather than people getting the idea that this is how cops operate.

    In some ways, I think the mayor coming out so strongly to say the officer should be arrested has also fueled the fire. Not saying that he did anything wrong. It was absolutely the right call, but that the realization that the elected head of the city is as powerless as anyone else to control the people he is supposedly the boss of has cemented the idea that the police are an illegitimate force.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Slate has a good piece about how part of the blame here can be laid at the feet of the Supreme Court for creating the doctrine of qualified immunity:
    Although the Constitution bars government officials from engaging in race discrimination, conducting unreasonable searches and seizures, or taking someone’s life without due process, those guarantees do not enforce themselves. Congress recognized this problem during Reconstruction, when Southern state officials refused to protect newly freed black citizens, instead colluding with white civilians to terrorize them. In response, Congress passed three Enforcement Acts, which, among other things, allowed individuals to sue state officials who violate their civil rights in federal court. That provision, now known as Section 1983, provides the basis for most federal lawsuits against state police officers.

    Under the Supreme Court’s current interpretation of Section 1983, however, it is not enough for victims to prove a violation of some constitutional right. They must also demonstrate that this right is “clearly established,” meaning a court has previously found that a very similar offense violated the Constitution. If a victim cannot meet this burden, the state official receives “qualified immunity,” and the lawsuit fails. Notably, the words clearly established do not actually appear in Section 1983. They are a gloss that SCOTUS imposed upon the law, a reflection of the justices’ personal belief that law enforcement needs wiggle room when making split-second decisions.

    The addition of a “clearly established” requirement has transformed Section 1983 into a rubber stamp for egregious police misconduct. It is almost always possible for a judge to insist that a right is not “clearly established” because there is no precedent with the exact same facts. Two cases from 2017 illustrate the absurdity of this rule. In one, a court granted qualified immunity to Deputy Richard Sylvester, who shot a man to death in his own apartment for no reason. Why? The victim had no “clearly established” right not to be murdered in his home by a cop. In the other, a court granted qualified immunity to Officer Terence Garrison, who let his police dog maul a homeless man whom he knew to be innocent. The court explained that the victim had no “clearly established” right not to be randomly disfigured by a police dog.

    For years, the Supreme Court has encouraged decisions like these by smacking down those few judges who dare to deny qualified immunity to police officers. Today, though, there is an emerging, cross-ideological consensus that the court’s jurisprudence here has spiraled out of control. Led by the libertarian Cato Institute, a broad coalition of progressive and libertarian groups has urged SCOTUS to reevaluate its qualified immunity precedent. They’ve gotten a boost from both Justice Sonia Sotomayor—who has condemned the “shoot first, think later” policing encouraged by the doctrine—and Justice Clarence Thomas, who has announced his desire to “reconsider our qualified immunity jurisprudence.” Nevertheless, a Reuters investigation found that lower courts have increasingly sided with police over victims in qualified immunity cases over the last decade.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Re: Chauvin’s history- a person who used to work on these internal matters in the Minneapolis police force said that Chauvin’s record wasn’t atypical for the average cop there

    Which makes it absolutely worse

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    I'm hearing a lot that police were firing tear gas canisters and rubber bullets at peaceful protesters and not at the rioters. Apparently one guy was just kneeling in the grass and some police officer took it upon himself to shoot him square in the forehead with a tear gas canister.

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  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    I think it was the two nights of cops shooting protestors that turned it into a riot.

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    I've been following this since monday. And to sum it up:

    Monday: 4 dirtbag cops murder a non-violent man for a non-violent crime in front of witnesses.
    Tuesday: FBI gets in on the investigation (even before widespread protests), and the mayor, senators etc chime in that this is a scandal and shit needs to be done.
    Tuesday (later): Portion of protesters leave the place where George Flyod was murdered and march towards the police station. A small group of protesters start to vandalize the police station and the area around it. The police respond with tear gas etc (which is honestly an appropriate response right then). It could have stopped right there. But no. Then the police are basically "A small group of people rioted. This is a riot. THIS IS A WARZONE" and start to launch teargas and rubber bullets everywhere there are protestors. Does it matter if they're violent? Apparently not.
    Wednesday: Minneapolis becoms a warzone with looting, arson, armed vigiliantes on the street to protect the businesses of friends and family... and who knows what kind of shit. And firemen are also targetted by rockthrowers when they try to respond to fires.

    P.S: This message was originally intended to be much longer. But it was a rant. Because I hate 2020 and everything about it and it's officially the worst year since I was born (2001 says thank you 2020, I'm no longer the worst year).

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Magell wrote: »
    I think it was the two nights of cops shooting protestors that turned it into a riot.

    Dingding ding! Notice how this shit almost always follows the police being violent dipshits. Often with their "we're going to attack peaceful protesters and reporters" shitick.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Magell wrote: »
    I think it was the two nights of cops shooting protestors that turned it into a riot.

    Partially. I also think this time the protestors didn't retreat when police came in hard, but instead tanked the tear gas and bullets until the police ran out and had to retreat. The police never escalated past non-lethal, because the protestors have made it clear that they intend to escalate right back.

    A frequent chant has been, "You shoot. We shoot back."

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    I'm sure that this time the Cops involved will face punishment.

    Wonder how many protest leaders are going to be found "mysteriously" dead in the months to come

    For those who don't know, six major Ferguson protesters and protest leaders died under what can best be called "highly suspicious circumstances" over the following months. Two were straight out murdered, shot to death then placed in cars set on fire, and four others died in ways that the cops ruled "suicide" after perfunctory "investigations." Other protesters have had multiple attempts made on their lives that the police "never solved." The cops or associated parties to them almost certainly assassinated those six and have been trying to kill and/or intimidate the rest.



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  • I ZimbraI Zimbra Worst song, played on ugliest guitar Registered User regular


    PBS reporter

    I do not think this will calm things down tonight.

  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Magell wrote: »
    I think it was the two nights of cops shooting protestors that turned it into a riot.

    Partially. I also think this time the protestors didn't retreat when police came in hard, but instead tanked the tear gas and bullets until the police ran out and had to retreat. The police never escalated past non-lethal, because the protestors have made it clear that they intend to escalate right back.

    A frequent chant has been, "You shoot. We shoot back."

    Good on em, Its about time "good cops" gets recognized as the same steaming pile of shit "states rights" or "the clean wehrmacht" are - a lie by racist apologists.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Magell wrote: »
    I think it was the two nights of cops shooting protestors that turned it into a riot.

    Dingding ding! Notice how this shit almost always follows the police being violent dipshits. Often with their "we're going to attack peaceful protesters and reporters" shitick.

    As I saw it pointed out elsewhere, the police wanted the riot, so they could reframe themselves as the victims. What's happened here is that hasn't happened this time, and they're left scratching their heads.
    I Zimbra wrote: »


    PBS reporter

    I do not think this will calm things down tonight.

    This is yet another part of the problem (as we saw down in Georgia with the killing of Ahmaud Arbery) - prosecutors who are highly aligned with the police and protect them.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    What evidence could their possibly be, aside from "I dun wanna"? Even if they had the next reason in the world to stop him (they didn't) they didn't have to use those techniques.

    And they ESPECIALLY didn't have to sit on his unconscious body until he died.

  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    I've spared myself watching videos of this.

    Do they go for the full brutality bingo and stand around refusing to perform CPR after they realize he's stopped breathing?

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    I've spared myself watching videos of this.

    Do they go for the full brutality bingo and stand around refusing to perform CPR after they realize he's stopped breathing?

    They didn't even get off of him until the EMTs told then to, apparently. So they were probably sitting on his corpse for a while.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    I Zimbra wrote: »


    PBS reporter

    I do not think this will calm things down tonight.

    Well fuck I feel like destroying some capital in a suburb of a faraway city right now

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    RedTide wrote: »
    I've spared myself watching videos of this.

    Do they go for the full brutality bingo and stand around refusing to perform CPR after they realize he's stopped breathing?

    They didn't even get off of him until the EMTs told then to, apparently. So they were probably sitting on his corpse for a while.

    The cop goes full American History X to spite the bystanders yelling at him that he’s killing Floyd

    Like, it’s minutes after Floyd goes limp before the EMTs even start pulling him off. It wasn’t about fighting Floyd, it was about projecting power to the people yelling at him and filming him.

    That’s why this shit is getting a bigger response than other cop killings. The dude literally leans into the white power fascism.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    I will say the COVIDidiots do have an idea that works. Maybe these protestors should all show up, armed, at the police station and homes of the individual officers involved to peacefully protest.

    Considering there’s video purporting to be the home of one of the ex-cops surrounded by police in riot gear, this is probably not a good idea.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    It’s not purported, it’s the dude’s home (it’s in the SE thread)

    There’s about 200 cops making a 6-deep line around his house and it’s fucking stupid to spend the overtime dollars for that instead of just taking him in custody

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    knitdan wrote: »
    I will say the COVIDidiots do have an idea that works. Maybe these protestors should all show up, armed, at the police station and homes of the individual officers involved to peacefully protest.

    Considering there’s video purporting to be the home of one of the ex-cops surrounded by police in riot gear, this is probably not a good idea.

    Are they there to arrest him? No? Then fuck them too. Any cop from the MPD who hasn't resigned and is out in riot gear is complict

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular


    The Minneapolis PD thinks this is better than arresting a dude filmed murdering someone

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  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Dude should be in custody.
    Whether or not he's arrested it's for everyone's safety if he's removed to a place where there is less likelihood of a violent confrontation.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    It’s not purported, it’s the dude’s home (it’s in the SE thread)

    There’s about 200 cops making a 6-deep line around his house and it’s fucking stupid to spend the overtime dollars for that instead of just taking him in custody

    There are also several thousand people surrounding the home. They've been stopping food deliveries and chanting "Be afraid."

    The issue isn't that there are 200 cops guarding this guy. It's that, if things get bad enough, it will not be nearly enough.

    And at this point, I am not going to judge.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    It’s not purported, it’s the dude’s home (it’s in the SE thread)

    There’s about 200 cops making a 6-deep line around his house and it’s fucking stupid to spend the overtime dollars for that instead of just taking him in custody

    There are also several thousand people surrounding the home. They've been stopping food deliveries and chanting "Be afraid."

    The issue isn't that there are 200 cops guarding this guy. It's that, if things get bad enough, it will not be nearly enough.

    And at this point, I am not going to judge.

    That's why they need to get the guy into custody of some sort. Just get him the fuck out of there, regardless of whether you think he's guilty or not.* Pretending nothing is going on here and everything is fine is going to get someone killed. Or already has.


    *of course he's obviously guilty, but just from their perspective too

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