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[Overwatch] Overwatch 2 is Live!

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Chance wrote: »
    D.Va's ult having reasonable counterplay is not a reason for Junker Queen to deal like 100 damage to your entire team in an area the size of two Red Lobsters and inflict anti heal on all of them and heal herself for double the damage that her Carnage just inflicted on your team.

    Some tank ults are reasonable, and some are just stupid.

    The counter to Queen is to not group up. If she's hitting more than 2 or 3 people, she deserved to hit that many.

    Two Red Lobsters. Hits folks behind her when it starts up. Hits folks through walls. Damages and DoTs. Anti heals. Heals the Queen. Perfectly balanced.

    (Zarya sitting over in the corner.)

    Hey Zarya! What's your ult do?

    "Eet pulls people together for like two end a haff sekunds."

    Does it also damage 'em?

    "Like thorty damage? Meyyybe?"

    Sounds pretty badass!

    "Mehn, fock you."

    Chance on
    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • McMoogleMcMoogle Registered User regular
    Is the RL scale metric?

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    McMoogle wrote: »
    Is the RL scale metric?

    LOL

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Chance wrote: »
    D.Va's ult having reasonable counterplay is not a reason for Junker Queen to deal like 100 damage to your entire team in an area the size of two Red Lobsters and inflict anti heal on all of them and heal herself for double the damage that her Carnage just inflicted on your team.

    Some tank ults are reasonable, and some are just stupid.

    The counter to Queen is to not group up. If she's hitting more than 2 or 3 people, she deserved to hit that many.

    See a few posts up where I was on the other side of a wall…

  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Pailryder wrote: »
    pharah staring off into the distance…

    JUSTICE RAINS FROM A-AAAAAGHHH

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    https://youtu.be/1GGam7tHwts

    Okay... I knew there wasn't a map this time but this is very light on content. I hope this isn't an early warning that they can't sustain the hero/map 9 week schedule.

    S6 is going to have two maps with the new game mode, and they're clearly positioning that as their hail mary re-launch. That's also the day it goes on Game Pass. But until then they're going to have to take the L this season.

  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Chance wrote: »
    D.Va's ult having reasonable counterplay is not a reason for Junker Queen to deal like 100 damage to your entire team in an area the size of two Red Lobsters and inflict anti heal on all of them and heal herself for double the damage that her Carnage just inflicted on your team.

    Some tank ults are reasonable, and some are just stupid.

    The counter to Queen is to not group up. If she's hitting more than 2 or 3 people, she deserved to hit that many.

    See a few posts up where I was on the other side of a wall…

    That's a bug, not a balance issue.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    -I like Kiriko's skin
    -I appreciated that the Genji deflected the Rein's firestrike so it completely missed the Rein, dashed above the Rein's head, looked down and completely whiffed his shirukens. This reflects my gameplay experience with Genji.
    -Lucio's skin is cool
    -Beach Doomfist is awesome

    ...and if I didn't just happen to finish earning 1,000 gold from weeklies the other day, I would've skipped this BP entirely. I'll put the gold into it because I want a mythic skin for my main (even if I hate those crossbows on her guns), but for the next 3-4 seasons I guess I'll be out of luck. I absolutely refuse to give Blizzard any money for what they've done to this game.

    If my experience of OW2 were as positive as my experience of OW1, I probably would have paid cash money for every battle pass since launch. Instead, I've just been waiting for it to improve - to at least get back to as good as OW1 was.

    I wait, still.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Flashpoint only having two maps screams last minute desperation. Even loser Push got three, even though they're very similar in layout and it's just a matter of drawing assets. Hell, people pointed out Shambali is just Monte Carlo and I can't unsee that now.

    Because I don't trust Blizzard, I'm assuming Tracer's mythic is still locked behind the battlepass, you just unlock the stages, which makes this season even more of a weak link if they can't even go "hey we're fucking liars about what our 200+ team is capable of, have this mythic skin for free, sooooorry /BPExec apology. Otherwise they would have put something in the trailer like how the Ana and Doomfist skin can be "earned."

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    The Mythic is 100% part of the battle pass. I'll be shocked - shocked if Doomfist doesn't cost cash money.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Aw sheeeit Lifeguard Mercy.

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    That'll cost money.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    fucking finally, I have enough to not have to pay for that, but they were leaving money on the table not including that sooner.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    People have been asking for that since launch year.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Chance wrote: »
    D.Va's ult having reasonable counterplay is not a reason for Junker Queen to deal like 100 damage to your entire team in an area the size of two Red Lobsters and inflict anti heal on all of them and heal herself for double the damage that her Carnage just inflicted on your team.

    Some tank ults are reasonable, and some are just stupid.

    The counter to Queen is to not group up. If she's hitting more than 2 or 3 people, she deserved to hit that many.

    See a few posts up where I was on the other side of a wall…

    That's a bug, not a balance issue.

    until it's fixed in the game, it is in fact a balance issue. maybe not intentional, but it still needs to be taken into consideration by players, especially if we're specifically talking about how to play around her as she currently exists

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Aw fuck you.



    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-2-retail-patch-notes-june-13-2023/824909
    CASSIDY

    Magnetic Grenade

    -No longer has a maximum projectile travel range of 10 meters.
    -The projectile now magnetizes toward an enemy target from 1.5 meters away and chases them for up to 1 second.
    -Impact damage increased from 0 to 10.
    -Explosion damage reduced from 120 to 70.
    -Stuck targets now have their movement slowed by 30%.
    -Stuck targets are now affected by a "Hindered" status effect, interrupting and preventing movement abilities from being activated.

    Developer Comment: The overall goals for Magnetic Grenade are to shift its use from purely damage into more of a utility, and change its deployment behavior from a close-range lock-on to more of an aimed projectile that magnetizes if it gets close to an enemy target. The previous "Stuck" banner text alert confused Tracer's Pulse Bomb message, so this mobility-locking status effect is being referred to as "Hindered."

    Ah fuck this.
    TRACER

    Pulse Pistols

    Spread increased by 15%.

    Developer Comment: We uncovered a bug that was setting Tracer's maximum weapon spread smaller than intended. We'll be monitoring the results of this one closely, as fixing it may have a significant impact on her overall effectiveness.

    FUCK THESE FUCKING MOTHER FUCKERS.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Just bring back OG flashbang, ffs. Roadhog also didn't need a heal buff, he's already eating a ton of damage during take a breather, no need for some dessert afterwards too.

    The inability to fade or wraith when trapped or stuck with something is actually good, but I wish it carried through for Sombra and Tracer too.

    And lol, lmao even, that the one character who didn't need her spread increased actually got spread increase.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Chance wrote: »
    D.Va's ult having reasonable counterplay is not a reason for Junker Queen to deal like 100 damage to your entire team in an area the size of two Red Lobsters and inflict anti heal on all of them and heal herself for double the damage that her Carnage just inflicted on your team.

    Some tank ults are reasonable, and some are just stupid.

    The counter to Queen is to not group up. If she's hitting more than 2 or 3 people, she deserved to hit that many.

    See a few posts up where I was on the other side of a wall…

    That's a bug, not a balance issue.

    until it's fixed in the game, it is in fact a balance issue. maybe not intentional, but it still needs to be taken into consideration by players, especially if we're specifically talking about how to play around her as she currently exists

    Yeah, “bug” implies it’s something they are actively fixing.

  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Tracer spread increase?! Lolwut

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Tracer spread increase?! Lolwut
    TexiKen wrote: »
    and that really makes me mad.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    I actually like the long distance nade for Cassidy. It has always been a source of tension in his kit - his flashbang/nade incentivizing him to close the distance, while his primary fire is mid range and he himself is low-mobility. This way his kit is more synergized around him remaining at his ideal range as much as possible.

    The mobility shutdown at that range might be too much though. I feel for Tracer mains who get fucked over by this while also being directly nerfed. And she's their Mythic hero? Weird choice to fix the bug and not adjust her numbers back down to be the same value.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    The flashbang/mag grenade was to make Cassidy threatening to flankers who made the egregious error of getting close enough to a Cassidy to deal meaningful damage to him.

    This will let him two-tap a Tracer from 30 yards. Of course Genji and Reaper and Sombra will all be able to survive Mag 2.0 + a body shot, but Tracer? Yeah man, fuck Tracer let's make sure Mag 2.0 does just enough damage so a body shot will kill her if she doesn't use her highest-value cooldown ability to escape it and make it so she can't even use that fuckimg ability and nerf her damage too while we're in here yeah... 'Cause fuck Tracer.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Lifeguard Mercy comes bundled with a Baywatch slowmo run highlight intro.



    "Think you'll be opening that wallet now, Mister Fuck Blizzard?"

    Not today, Satan.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    Tracer's still good. Calm down. She's one of few heroes that work in nearly every team composition. I get that she's your main, but she isn't bad and I don't think they'll ever make their mascot a bad pick.

  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Chance wrote: »
    Lifeguard Mercy comes bundled with a Baywatch slowmo run highlight intro.



    "Think you'll be opening that wallet now, Mister Fuck Blizzard?"

    Not today, Satan.

    I refuse to give Blizzard money right now on principle. They could release a promo where I get to literally sleep with the hero of my choice made incarnate and I wouldn’t give them any money.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Chance wrote: »
    Lifeguard Mercy comes bundled with a Baywatch slowmo run highlight intro.



    "Think you'll be opening that wallet now, Mister Fuck Blizzard?"

    Not today, Satan.

    I refuse to give Blizzard money right now on principle. They could release a promo where I get to literally sleep with the hero of my choice made incarnate and I wouldn’t give them any money.

    They could fix the matchmaker and MMR. That would make a huge difference.

    If I was just having fun as consistently with OW2 as I did in OW1, I'd be supporting it all the way.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    I did laugh that this is the 5th or 6th matchmaker fix they've put in the patch notes over the past two seasons. Why should I believe your lies now?

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I did laugh that this is the 5th or 6th matchmaker fix they've put in the patch notes over the past two seasons. Why should I believe your lies now?

    What is it you want from them exactly? Should they not be making matchmaking changes? The post directly preceding yours is asking for matchmaking changes.

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    I did laugh that this is the 5th or 6th matchmaker fix they've put in the patch notes over the past two seasons. Why should I believe your lies now?

    What is it you want from them exactly? Should they not be making matchmaking changes? The post directly preceding yours is asking for matchmaking changes.

    Oh I want it fixed. Imagining that Blizzard 2023 will fix it - particularly when they've said they have or are fixing it - is like believing Lucy when she assures you she's going to hold the football steady.

    Fool me once, motherfuckers.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular


    Definitely regret using the Watchpoint pack currency on the Battlepasses now

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    Talith wrote: »


    Definitely regret using the Watchpoint pack currency on the Battlepasses now

    Such reasonable prices based on the high quality and joyous replayability of the PvE content shown thus far. And of course, if there's one company I'd trust to sell me a game called Overwatch, and definitely not just remove it from my hard drive years later, and then update their EULA to say I can't sue them for doing that, it's Blizzard Entertainment.*
    *sarcasm. All sarcasm.

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    the base $15 gets a maybe from me, $5 for the story stuff plus the coins for the next battle pass that seems interesting is something I can justify if not love

    $40 can get the fuck out of here

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    They are clearly not confident in season 5, because there's a full season 6 reveal blog today:
    https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/overwatch/23964186/introducing-our-most-exciting-season-yet-overwatch-2-invasion

    And a Game Informer piece about one of the missions:
    https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2023/06/12/exclusive-first-hands-on-with-the-pve-story-missions

    Three missions, each reportedly around half an hour long, for $15 w/ battle pass. I had thought they intended to drip-feed this stuff over multiple seasons, but clearly they decided to go for a bigger splashier launch. My guess is they felt they had to do that because the negativity around the game had reached a boiling point. The PvE event sounds like a hero mission sans-talents, which I expect is what they'll probably do every season moving forward.

    Honestly, if OW2's launch had included everything up to this point, it would have been well received. Comparing this to what we had in 2021 makes it start to feel like a sequel. But I think it's going to take quite a while for them to reach even a neutral point in public perception. The negative sentiment surrounding OW2 has taken on a life of its own at this point.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    This is psychotic, not even putting it behind the normal battle pass. 15 bucks is cheap for (allegedly) story mode forever (what, 3 "stories?"), but that the Watchpoint Pack buyers are shit outta luck is an extra fuck you. They bought that with explicit intention to support the team to make the PVE!

  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    This is psychotic, not even putting it behind the normal battle pass. 15 bucks is cheap for (allegedly) story mode forever (what, 3 "stories?"),

    The language is very specific that you get access to the Invasion PvE stuff, I think it's called. Next story bit? That'll be another fifteen bucks - twenty if you're Canadian!

    'Chance, you are the best kind of whore.' -Henroid
  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    This is psychotic, not even putting it behind the normal battle pass. 15 bucks is cheap for (allegedly) story mode forever (what, 3 "stories?"), but that the Watchpoint Pack buyers are shit outta luck is an extra fuck you. They bought that with explicit intention to support the team to make the PVE!

    It's not forever, it's the Invasion missions - permanent as in they're not tied to the season. It's a bundle with the missions being valued at $5, probably sold separately for $5-10.

    Why did you think the Watchpoint Pack included future story missions? They were very clear about what you got for that purchase.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    They were early backers for the new system Blizzard was doing. And it was 40 bucks, when you get to that price point I'm expecting something of real content being delivered.

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    TexiKen wrote: »
    They were early backers for the new system Blizzard was doing. And it was 40 bucks, when you get to that price point I'm expecting something of real content being delivered.

    Come on, when you pay for a pre-release bundle you will get exactly what's on the tin and nothing more. If they bought it expecting to also receive future content for free that was not listed anywhere in the promotion, that's on them.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited June 2023
    Chance wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    This is psychotic, not even putting it behind the normal battle pass. 15 bucks is cheap for (allegedly) story mode forever (what, 3 "stories?"),

    The language is very specific that you get access to the Invasion PvE stuff, I think it's called. Next story bit? That'll be another fifteen bucks - twenty if you're Canadian!

    Yeeeeah. This is exactly what I expect given their... monetization strategy thus far. Charitably, it'll be available for everybody for the season, and back for like, Archives or whatever, but I don't know that I'd be that optimistic. Three different missions, plus apparently some variation of the Uprising event all at the same time... each with four difficulties and clocking in at 20-30 minutes? Even with the lol-matchmaking needed since it's PVE, that still seems like it could be stretching things, especially when it seems like a much saner strategy would be to dole this stuff out consistently and constantly instead of one big dump to rebuild trust and expectations. Can't help but think it's to justify charging for it.

    ArcTangent on
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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    OW1 was a phenomenal value even at the launch price. That with the continued support banked up an enormous amount of good will.

    It is becoming clear that the Watchpoint pack was them emptying out that account.

    Nod. Get treat. PSN: Quippish
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    OW1 was a phenomenal value even at the launch price. That with the continued support banked up an enormous amount of good will.

    It is becoming clear that the Watchpoint pack was them emptying out that account.

    I often felt guilty only having paid the launch price for OW1 given all the years and time I played it with only ever having purchased loot boxes once during an early event before realizing how terrible that was.

    Because of that I could forgive the awful season passes if the rest of their monetization wasn’t so terrible (like having a season pass but it not including the best skins in it, two theirs of credits, or this fresh new bullshit paywalling a game mode that isn’t even the game mode that was promised).

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