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Supreme Court Vacancy
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Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, at 87 years old, opening a vacancy in the Supreme Court.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html
The Senate majority leader issued a statement where he says that "President Trump's nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate."
https://www.lex18.com/news/election-2020/sen-mitch-mcconnell-issues-statement-on-the-passing-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg
Talk about the fight over the replacement here, and other topics only if they're directly related to this vacancy.
The below include only statements made after the passing of Ginsburg.
Republican senators who have publicly pledged to vote for a Trump nominee, or to give them a floor vote:
Mitch McConnell
Josh Hawley
Lindsey Graham
Chuck Grassley
James Lankford
Cory Gardner
Mitt Romney
Republican senators who have made a public statement opposing a vote before the next inaguration:
Democratic senators who have made a public statement in support of expanding the court:
Ed Markey
Democratic representatives who have made a public statement in support of expanding the court:
Jerry Nadler
Democratic senators who have made a public statement in opposition of expanding the court:
Diane Feinstein
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead/index.html
The Senate majority leader issued a statement where he says that "President Trump's nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate."
https://www.lex18.com/news/election-2020/sen-mitch-mcconnell-issues-statement-on-the-passing-of-ruth-bader-ginsburg
Talk about the fight over the replacement here, and other topics only if they're directly related to this vacancy.
The below include only statements made after the passing of Ginsburg.
Republican senators who have publicly pledged to vote for a Trump nominee, or to give them a floor vote:
Mitch McConnell
Josh Hawley
Lindsey Graham
Chuck Grassley
James Lankford
Cory Gardner
Mitt Romney
Republican senators who have made a public statement opposing a vote before the next inaguration:
Democratic senators who have made a public statement in support of expanding the court:
Ed Markey
Democratic representatives who have made a public statement in support of expanding the court:
Jerry Nadler
Democratic senators who have made a public statement in opposition of expanding the court:
Diane Feinstein
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Just something this thread needs for now...
Ossoff is way behind, Kelly is fairly likely though.
But my cynical side says if they ram an appointee through, they want extra muscle to interfere with the election and don't care about electoral consequences because they don't intend to respect them, at which point either civil war or full tilt fascism happens.
I'm not really enjoying living in exciting times, it turns out.
A.k.a. "We're going to find a young toady who places loyalty to Trump over everything else and ram them through in a weekend, get fucked libs."
I'm not seeing any upside to this. There are so many decisions and things we're going to lose under this court it's not even funny.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
That is a lot more gloves off than I expecting this early.
Quoting for the tweetless:
Senator Markey:
Response from Joe Favreau
A pulling my hair out stressful time between those two points, but it would be something.
Not going to happen. This is 2020.
Yeah, we're pretty fucked. Short of Mitch McConnell and the GOP finding some semblance of princples? The next couple of decades are looking very dark.
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If they can get their six justices and dump Trump while yelling about how the Democrats cheated I bet that's maximally satisfying to a decent chunk of them.
It doesn't, because Pence, and also there's a decent chance Collins loses her election, so best case scenario is it waits till after the election.
I say best case, but it's not really. It makes no difference. Maybe they go through the process of the election to pretend that they care about democracy or rights, but if they don't win, they're going to take it anyway.
There is, as far as I can see, no possible way for Trump to "lose" this election now. Hell, it'd be less work for him to just stop campaigning because he knows he's going to issue an executive order immediately afterward if he loses, and either halt the results or throw them out entirely. It no longer matters that he has no authority to do so, he will be granted it when the House challenges it, and the new SCOTUS tells them to fuck off.
Then again, maybe Gorsuch and Roberts have some vestige of a spine remaining.
I'm so fucking frustrated, and I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worth the frustration. These shitstains probably think they are on the precipice of their glory, uninterested or uncaring about the fire that's burning the decayed and emaciated foundation below them. It gives me a tiny bit of cynical depressing "pleasure" to know that it is all going to collapse before they really get to enjoy it. But, like that fuckstick who walked out on a climate bill in Oregon, after his house burns down, he's going to blame the people who tried to protect it.
How fucking sad is it that we're all basing our hope on what happens next, on people who have made it clear, they don't care?
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2. For the GOP, appointing a young federalist toady justice before 2021 is win big enough to outweigh losing the Executice and Senate.
3. McConnell absolutely can confirm a new SCOTUS before the election because there is no black and white written rule that says he can't.
4. Collins, Romney, and Murkowski ain't gonna save you.
These are your starting positions. Gonna take a lot of 'splainin to convince me otherwise.
I know Murkowski said not until after the election (which still allows lame duck fuckery, but at least won't burn the election more than it already is)
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/09/18/alaska-senator-murkowski-said-friday-she-would-not-vote-for-a-justice-ahead-of-election/
Collins said flat out no vote until inauguration day, but she's been extremely unreliable. I also can't find where she said this.
Chuck Grassley said, in 2018, that he wouldn't consider a Supreme Court nomination if a vacancy appeared in 2020 while he was chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Sadly he's no longer that chair (that happy responsibility goes to Lindsey Graham). He did say he would not recommend a nomination as recently as July.
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/410686-grassley-says-judiciary-panel-wouldnt-consider-supreme-court-nominee-in
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/18/how-ernst-grassley-said-they-would-handle-supreme-court-vacancy/5831959002/
And if it gets pushed past the election, we'll hopefully convert McSally to Kelley, at which point they'll be seated immediately instead of next year.
That's a real sketchy four. Has Romney said anything about this yet?
1 is probably their biggest problem. Were this like, Rubio in charge I think they'd get this through no problem. But Trump has a chance of fucking it up for them (see also healthcare repeal)
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/20/how-mitch-mcconnell-became-trumps-enabler-in-chief McConnell's name will hopefully be cursed forever
Senate can absolutely still confirm someone during a shutdown, I'm pretty sure, though, but the government essentially falling apart for the month before an election is going to have repercussions and R numbers notably tanked during the shutdown to start this Congress's term.
Graham has backtracked on what he said already and that he'd vote for one.
AP Reporter
It has been made as clear as anything can possibly be that no amount of shame or past promises and pledges, pressure, or anything like that, matters in any way.
The only thing that will be surprising at this point is if they even try to pretend to justify it.
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Translated:
"LOL, bend over and grease up, libs, cause here it comes."
I can has cheezburger, yes?
There's not really an alternative here, my man. Either we admit we're doomed and just stop talking about this, or we cling to whatever meager scraps of hope or desperation we can.
Democrats need to go on offense for this: If the GOP plays dirty, then they'll have no choice but to put court packing on the table at the first opportunity in order to fix the mistake.
This gives democrats the moral high ground to proceed with court packing if it comes to that, because they warned the GOP in advance. it also gives the GOP an excuse to back away from an early nomination, because it lets them paint themselves as the victims.
- When McConnell rams through RBG's replacement, a full 1/3rd of the court will have been nominated by Trump, a single (hopefully 1 term) president who couldn't even come close to winning the popular vote
- fully 2/3rds of the court will have been nominated by a party that controlled the Presidency for only 1/2 of the relevant time
I want to think she doesn't get replaced until after the election. The way this year is going, though, the Pubs are gonna find some way to push their nomination through.
This SCOTUS seat is literally everything they want. If they get it, they control everything forever.
This is exactly why the GOP started treating Trump like a king - They fell in line with him because they could get themselves decades of control, and roll back the rights of people they don't like. It has always been about the court.
So presuming that any GOP senator would be going against it in a way that matters is utter foolishness.
Just fucking gross, dude
I don't know is that's cathartic for you but other people are reading here
Ed Markey has nothing to worry about. swing state Dems don't have his sense of security
This is an important battle but it's not the last one
Fuck don't lose your perspective people. .
It's the truth. We are kind of more than a little fucked at the moment. Maybe it's me spiraling or something but I don't see a good way for us out of this. RBG holding on was like the one thing that we needed to unscrew everything and now we're staring down a 6-3 court who will happily prune away rights and everything we've fought so hard for.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
Oh, I forgot the 3rd crazy point:
AFAIK the Chief Justice is literally just chosen by the President when the last one dies in a double whammy of deeply stupid randomness.
You absolutely should. The GOP learned to politicize the SCOTUS to win votes a long time ago. The democrats need to start doing the same.
That is obvious bs
Which is just another example of why the entire idea of a lame duck session is one of the most insane and stupid ideas ever implemented in a democratic system.
Democrat enthusiasm isn't the problem. The people you're going to pull in with a strategy of radicalization are the people least likely to actually vote and a minority of your base
Republicans being on the fence is the advantage right now. You don't give them a reason to get off the fence