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The 2020 Vice Presidential Debate
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Accusations of being unfair to one candidate or the other.
Getting access to McConnell.
It doesn't work with Trump at all.
The VP spot this admin has already seemed like a memory hole so I certainly see that.
Like I swear I have at most seen a still image of Pence maybe 5 times in the last four years and that's seriously it.
I think some of it has to do with what the candidates agree to as part of the debate. Like, I'm pretty sure there's a clause in the agreement saying the moderator agrees not to cut the mics off or whatever.
As I remember he did that thing where he went to a football game just so he could leave it when players knelt.
Mistaken for one?
Stop being ridiculous. Mike Pence is not a living corpse.
He's obviously a cursed department store mannequin.
He did argue a little, bit his thing was just methodically finishing his prepared remarks while ignoring the repeated “Mr Vice President”s
He was just in the zone so much he couldn’t be thrown off by either a moderator or a fly
I know it’s shitty for me to say this about a state, but he definitely seems like the best right-wing talk radio guy you could find for Indiana right-wing talk radio
A very stark contrast to Harris for sure
Like, early on I know people in this thread were pissed about the whole "unprecedented closure of travel from china" bs, but around the same time he also claimed that trump shut down the country for our safety, even though of course trump was and continues to be very much opposed to any closure, and pushed all responsibility off on to states and local governments to save their constituents from mass infection.
Just hearing that alone almost made my head explode after all the bullshit that went down since March, and it was less than a nothing burger by comparison to *gestures at everything else*
The sheer volume of bullshit that streams from these guys, Jesus.
i guess on the one hand, he didn't lie about anything new, so i doubt taking time to dissect them would make a difference anyway
He also mean-mugged the shit out of the North Korean border
Fuck yeah, Mikey, that'll show 'em!
Well, this was the first time I'd ever heard anyone from team trump actually taking credit for the lockdowns, so that was new to me. Like, it should be big news if they were ever held to their positions and statements.
Oh, I see the issue here, never mind
He looks like he's being told they can't stop for Chick-fil-a.
The thing is, I think shit like that photo would actually play with the media and conservatives. Pence is too dumb and boring to actually make it through to the top, but he's actually not bad at being the kind of bland old white man presidential that the DC media finds it impossible to argue against no matter what they are actually doing.
he looks like a grumpy old man caught out in the rain
All hail fly!
don't give me any reason to like him
Oh my god, I knew there was something familiar about that expression and now I can't unsee it.
He also looks like Jeff Dunham’s old man puppet.
Someone asked him what the fuck and he said it was important that north korea saw the resolve on his face.
I've brought this up to many people. It's the silliest thing.
Nah, Walter's more cheerful and easy-going.
But yeah, I'm not hearing a lot of good things about Pence coming from that debate. Funny how all of this comes crumbling down when they don't have a boogeyman to play off of- no Hillary, no Bernie, no Warren, no nothing. Even here in the downticket races, you're seeing the Repubs just trying to link the Dems to whatever will stick- socialism, Warren, AOC, the Green New Deal, etc.- nothing at all about Trump or Pence. They have literally nothing else they can throw because they didn't prepare for Biden/Harris, and last night proved that.
I can has cheezburger, yes?
He kept pressing the point that Biden wants to eliminate fossil fuels as if it's a damning indictment. Nobody gives a shit where their power comes from, they just want their lights to turn on and their car to drive. If they can keep doing that without burning shit...okay, cool whatever.
People in the industry care, but with automation etc, that number (of workers, not owners) gets smaller every year.
The power of moderators is limited to what both sides will accept. Neither side is really interested in giving the moderator the power to make them stop talking.
Sure, and that's why there was the back and forth on fracking, but for the vast majority of folks (let alone the subset of undecided voters) it's just... who gives a shit? People who actually have opinions on the point source of their electricity generation are in favour of renewables and maybe argue about nukes. Noone else even thinks about it unless a storm knocked out the power. Telling them we're going to eliminate fossil fuels is likely going to be met with a blank stare or an 'okay, cool'.
I used to be a fan of cutting mics. but there is important information to garner from other parties willingness to interrupt, the how, why, cadence and importance. Despite the debates getting called a shitshow, Hillary tended to just ignore trump, which led people to have a bad reaction to her performance. I wouldn't say interrupting back or directly arguing is a winning strategy, but Biden's strategy has been holding up much better in the public eye.
that's literally the entire reason it both came up, and was a thing both sides were trying to say is good because pa is the tipping point state.
the electoral college makes weird shit like this happen on the regular.
And I get that. But I doubt people directly related to the industry, or who have family in it, are actually undecided where that would sway them.
1) if they say that, it kind of just shuts the republicans up; and
2) if they want to pack the court after they get elected, who's going to stop them?
after garland / barrett, anyone who expects integrity when it comes to the supreme court is being silly.
they could even be snarky about it and say, "no, we won't pack the court. but to the people who think we should, stand back and stand by..."
this whole thing is confusing. not answering is becoming as much of a distraction as answering the question would have become.
just say no and if you win, change your mind. geez!
Committing to a policy collapses the waveform and gives your opponents a solid handle to use however they choose.
Because confirming it one way or another gains them nothing. Either they alienate the left and do nothing to shut up the right by saying no or they fire up the right by saying yes and then open an avenue for the left to get mad when it doesn't happen because the Senate doesn't flip or Manchin or similar says no
Nobody is going to not vote Biden because he wouldn't clarify his position on court packing.
Because people on the left would be (rightly) furious. They'd be abandoning their entire agenda before they're even elected.