i hate that small business owners have become a holy class when they are generally among the worst people on earth
They're like some sort of... small and petty bourgeoisie. If only some sort of political philosopher had explored this sort of thing
it's sort of incredible how much marx got right without living to see his predictions play out
i'm not crazy about the folks that apply marxist critiques to every damn thing, but the shit the man himself wrote about economics is basically entirely correct
it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
Your capacity for work has no bearing on your moral fibre! I do understand your point though, of course not all are bad. ultimately though, your mum is incentivised to underpay her workers, particularly if it’s short term seasonal work (help her out over valentines etc.)
it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
it's tough to, for example, convince her that workers are somehow cheated or exploited by their bosses when she has first-hand experience working twice as hard as anyone she ever hired
of course the flipside to this is that when politicians or whatever talk about "small business owners" they want you think about my mom when who they really mean are like, people who "only" have 50-200 employees
it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
it's tough to, for example, convince her that workers are somehow cheated or exploited by their bosses when she has first-hand experience working twice as hard as anyone she ever hired
of course the flipside to this is that when politicians or whatever talk about "small business owners" they want you think about my mom when who they really mean are like, people who "only" have 50-200 employees
I thought that particular weasel word was also referring to large nationwide businesses that were owned by one or two people as well.
it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
Your capacity for work has no bearing on your moral fibre! I do understand your point though, of course not all are bad. ultimately though, your mum is incentivised to underpay her workers, particularly if it’s short term seasonal work (help her out over valentines etc.)
oh for sure, i don't disagree with anything you're saying. trust me, I've had more than one very headache-inducing conversation with her about how it would've made no financial sense to hire temp help unless she was paying them less than she'd pay herself to do the same job. She just gets offended and shrugs it off as me not understanding anything about how the real world works and that I should try running a business myself before I go running my mouth off.
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it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
it's tough to, for example, convince her that workers are somehow cheated or exploited by their bosses when she has first-hand experience working twice as hard as anyone she ever hired
of course the flipside to this is that when politicians or whatever talk about "small business owners" they want you think about my mom when who they really mean are like, people who "only" have 50-200 employees
I thought that particular weasel word was also referring to large nationwide businesses that were owned by one or two people as well.
Small Business refers entirely to the number of people employed by the business, like Speed said.
Penny Arcade is a small business.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
it's tough to, for example, convince her that workers are somehow cheated or exploited by their bosses when she has first-hand experience working twice as hard as anyone she ever hired
of course the flipside to this is that when politicians or whatever talk about "small business owners" they want you think about my mom when who they really mean are like, people who "only" have 50-200 employees
I thought that particular weasel word was also referring to large nationwide businesses that were owned by one or two people as well.
I haven't heard it used in that way but it wouldn't surprise me if someone has.
i hate that small business owners have become a holy class when they are generally among the worst people on earth
They're like some sort of... small and petty bourgeoisie. If only some sort of political philosopher had explored this sort of thing
it's sort of incredible how much marx got right without living to see his predictions play out
i'm not crazy about the folks that apply marxist critiques to every damn thing, but the shit the man himself wrote about economics is basically entirely correct
interestingly, one thing he got majorly wrong was he was certain the first successful socialist revolution would happen in england or germany, or somewhere else that was already heavily industrialized. russia at the time of the revolution was not that, though it's honestly kind of unbelievable how quickly and extensively they industrialized during the 20s and 30s
yeah absolutely, the original minimum wage would be $25 now if it had been tied to inflation.
Digging back to this, but... source? The highest conversion I'm seeing is 1968 ($1.60) to present hits $12.22. 1938's $.25 converts to <$5. Of course, that's still a big jump over current minimum wage.
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I have so many issues with that chart.
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I think it's not just inflation but also buying power, since some things increased more than inflation. Like the Wendy's combo meal example earlier in the thread, where 10 years ago it was $5 and now it's $9
I think it's not just inflation but also buying power, since some things increased more than inflation. Like the Wendy's combo meal example earlier in the thread, where 10 years ago it was $5 and now it's $9
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I believe he's just conflating it with the increase in worker productivity as well, which I believe would place it over $20/hr now
Since "just" keeping up with inflation isn't strictly representative to how economic growth has occurred over the past few decades either
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i hate that small business owners have become a holy class when they are generally among the worst people on earth
When I was in college I briefly worked at this fast bbq and ice cream place in the small town school was in. Theoretically ideal location. Surrounded by bars in a town where there was one other place to eat after 8. Owner was a fucking idiot though and the place folded.
Fast forward 6 months and I'm doing this technical writing class where we're putting together a newspaper. Teacher says hey fuck it you guys can do interviews for it too and arranged them for us. I wound up interviewing my former boss with 3 other people and he spent the entire time talking about how the local government, total permanent town population 10k, killed his business with regulations.
i hate that small business owners have become a holy class when they are generally among the worst people on earth
They're like some sort of... small and petty bourgeoisie. If only some sort of political philosopher had explored this sort of thing
it's sort of incredible how much marx got right without living to see his predictions play out
i'm not crazy about the folks that apply marxist critiques to every damn thing, but the shit the man himself wrote about economics is basically entirely correct
Note, even people that despise Marx (like I do!) recognize that the entire field of post-Industrial Revolution economics was basically founded by him and Adam Smith.
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A $2000 stimulus check represents ten months of my current disability income. If my husband got one too, like these last couple payments, that'd be almost two years worth, obviously. At this point I'll take whatever I can get tbh
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A $2000 stimulus check represents ten months of my current disability income. If my husband got one too, like these last couple payments, that'd be almost two years worth, obviously. At this point I'll take whatever I can get tbh
this is fuckin' garbage friend, i'm genuinely sorry they expect you to survive on so little
A $2000 stimulus check represents ten months of my current disability income. If my husband got one too, like these last couple payments, that'd be almost two years worth, obviously. At this point I'll take whatever I can get tbh
this is fuckin' garbage friend, i'm genuinely sorry they expect you to survive on so little
Welp, fingers crossed that social security comes through, that'll help. I ain't gonna hold my breath waiting that's for sure. The fucked up part is, I live in Washington, which is a state with really good social safety nets as far as those things go. Coming from Wyoming, where there's almost nothing available, I feel pretty lucky to be honest. At least I can go to the doctor up here I guess. The point is, though, that however tough my situation seems? There's a lot of folks out there right now who are in a worse one. At least my dad is cool enough to let me and my husband use the spare bedroom and we're not sleeping rough or something you know?
Having said that, knowing how hard it is to exist on $200 bucks a month and like a little bit more in foodstamps (which are a buncha bullshit in and of themselves despite having literally saved my life a few times I reckon,) the fact that there are folks who aren't even getting that makes me nauseous with anger.
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A $2000 stimulus check represents ten months of my current disability income. If my husband got one too, like these last couple payments, that'd be almost two years worth, obviously. At this point I'll take whatever I can get tbh
this is fuckin' garbage friend, i'm genuinely sorry they expect you to survive on so little
The kicker is that that’s adjusted for wages so they expect Metz and his husband to survive at exactly that.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
it's tough because small business owners can be bigtime sacks of shit, but on the flipside they can also be people that regularly work 15+ hour days to keep their business afloat
my mom used to own a flower shop and anytime a big flower holiday hit she basically lived at the shop for the week. The schoolbus used to drop me off there instead of at home.
it's tough to, for example, convince her that workers are somehow cheated or exploited by their bosses when she has first-hand experience working twice as hard as anyone she ever hired
of course the flipside to this is that when politicians or whatever talk about "small business owners" they want you think about my mom when who they really mean are like, people who "only" have 50-200 employees
I thought that particular weasel word was also referring to large nationwide businesses that were owned by one or two people as well.
Small Business refers entirely to the number of people employed by the business, like Speed said.
Penny Arcade is a small business.
The weasel wording you might see in some cases is franchises.
Like "this one guy owns 5 McDonalds, which employs a total of 150 people" can be counted as a "small business" depending on who's doing the counting and the point they're trying to make.
imagine taking a picture of today and threatening it as the future
that's like... 50% of pro-capitalist arguments
there's an entire genre of twitter posts that's like a picture of run-down buildings with the words "here's what america would look like under socialism!!!" and then you do a reverse image search and it's a month-old photo of detroit
do you want to live in a place where everybody works themselves to death for the benefit of a tiny elite and you are never able to realize the full value of your own work and you can't even get basic shit necessary for life without jumping through draconian hoops?
because that's socialism, apparently
[puts on an ascot]
Alright, time to see who this “Socialist Boogeyman” really is!
[rips off mask]
[shocked gasp] Capitalism!
Wait a second, it’s another mask too!
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OLD MAN FEUDALISM AND ARISTOCRATIC RULE!
“Yeeeeah, and I would’ve gotten away with it, if it weren’t for you meddling socialists and your dog!”
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I've seen grocery stores in some areas install self checkout, and then mere months later remove them. I have never asked why but I do wonder if in some areas the usage is lower where older communities frequent those locations and prefer/need a teller to help them.
On the other hand the Target in downtown Seattle now only has self checkout for regular items. Only the returns and booze have checkout clerks at actual registers.
I've seen grocery stores in some areas install self checkout, and then mere months later remove them. I have never asked why but I do wonder if in some areas the usage is lower where older communities frequent those locations and prefer/need a teller to help them.
On the other hand the Target in downtown Seattle now only has self checkout for regular items. Only the returns and booze have checkout clerks at actual registers.
i don't know how much it factors in but it's really easy to steal shit from self-checkout
also target has monstrous policies about shoplifting, so it makes sense that they'd make it easy
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it's sort of incredible how much marx got right without living to see his predictions play out
i'm not crazy about the folks that apply marxist critiques to every damn thing, but the shit the man himself wrote about economics is basically entirely correct
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Your capacity for work has no bearing on your moral fibre! I do understand your point though, of course not all are bad. ultimately though, your mum is incentivised to underpay her workers, particularly if it’s short term seasonal work (help her out over valentines etc.)
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of course the flipside to this is that when politicians or whatever talk about "small business owners" they want you think about my mom when who they really mean are like, people who "only" have 50-200 employees
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I thought that particular weasel word was also referring to large nationwide businesses that were owned by one or two people as well.
oh for sure, i don't disagree with anything you're saying. trust me, I've had more than one very headache-inducing conversation with her about how it would've made no financial sense to hire temp help unless she was paying them less than she'd pay herself to do the same job. She just gets offended and shrugs it off as me not understanding anything about how the real world works and that I should try running a business myself before I go running my mouth off.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Small Business refers entirely to the number of people employed by the business, like Speed said.
Penny Arcade is a small business.
it's not for nothing that wage theft outpaces all other types of property theft
I haven't heard it used in that way but it wouldn't surprise me if someone has.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
interestingly, one thing he got majorly wrong was he was certain the first successful socialist revolution would happen in england or germany, or somewhere else that was already heavily industrialized. russia at the time of the revolution was not that, though it's honestly kind of unbelievable how quickly and extensively they industrialized during the 20s and 30s
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I feel like this is unfair.
it isn't even close
e: and this isn't even getting into being paid a wage in the first place being theft
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Digging back to this, but... source? The highest conversion I'm seeing is 1968 ($1.60) to present hits $12.22. 1938's $.25 converts to <$5. Of course, that's still a big jump over current minimum wage.
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I might have heard incorrect facts, lemme look it up.
e: Yeah I think that was false. My bad for not fact checking it.
I agree. It clearly ignores the existence of landlords
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Yeah, could be a difference in model being used.
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Since "just" keeping up with inflation isn't strictly representative to how economic growth has occurred over the past few decades either
Like, by definition it does not.
When I was in college I briefly worked at this fast bbq and ice cream place in the small town school was in. Theoretically ideal location. Surrounded by bars in a town where there was one other place to eat after 8. Owner was a fucking idiot though and the place folded.
Fast forward 6 months and I'm doing this technical writing class where we're putting together a newspaper. Teacher says hey fuck it you guys can do interviews for it too and arranged them for us. I wound up interviewing my former boss with 3 other people and he spent the entire time talking about how the local government, total permanent town population 10k, killed his business with regulations.
Yes! This was it.
the current IDW G.I. Joe series by paul allor is very good, and deals with stuff just like that
i say this as someone who has never given a shit about gi joe outside of the psa parodies
Lol you’re right I suppose we have to consider them ‘businesses’
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censored indeed!
Note, even people that despise Marx (like I do!) recognize that the entire field of post-Industrial Revolution economics was basically founded by him and Adam Smith.
this is fuckin' garbage friend, i'm genuinely sorry they expect you to survive on so little
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Welp, fingers crossed that social security comes through, that'll help. I ain't gonna hold my breath waiting that's for sure. The fucked up part is, I live in Washington, which is a state with really good social safety nets as far as those things go. Coming from Wyoming, where there's almost nothing available, I feel pretty lucky to be honest. At least I can go to the doctor up here I guess. The point is, though, that however tough my situation seems? There's a lot of folks out there right now who are in a worse one. At least my dad is cool enough to let me and my husband use the spare bedroom and we're not sleeping rough or something you know?
Having said that, knowing how hard it is to exist on $200 bucks a month and like a little bit more in foodstamps (which are a buncha bullshit in and of themselves despite having literally saved my life a few times I reckon,) the fact that there are folks who aren't even getting that makes me nauseous with anger.
The kicker is that that’s adjusted for wages so they expect Metz and his husband to survive at exactly that.
The weasel wording you might see in some cases is franchises.
Like "this one guy owns 5 McDonalds, which employs a total of 150 people" can be counted as a "small business" depending on who's doing the counting and the point they're trying to make.
This but unironically
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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but like the good kind
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[puts on an ascot]
Alright, time to see who this “Socialist Boogeyman” really is!
[rips off mask]
[shocked gasp] Capitalism!
Wait a second, it’s another mask too!
[rips off mask, even deeper shocked gasp]
OLD MAN FEUDALISM AND ARISTOCRATIC RULE!
“Yeeeeah, and I would’ve gotten away with it, if it weren’t for you meddling socialists and your dog!”
On the other hand the Target in downtown Seattle now only has self checkout for regular items. Only the returns and booze have checkout clerks at actual registers.
i don't know how much it factors in but it's really easy to steal shit from self-checkout
also target has monstrous policies about shoplifting, so it makes sense that they'd make it easy
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