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Reports are that trump is lining up 100s of pardons for his last day. What a colossal joke he and the Republican Party have turned all this into. Or maybe they just revealed the joke it always was
raises an interesting question though
can you pardon someone who hasn't even been formally charged and tried yet?
trump specifically tested this during his term and it was found "I guess there's no rule that dogs CAN'T play basketball"
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Ubikoh pete, that's later. maybe we'll be dead by thenRegistered Userregular
Reports are that trump is lining up 100s of pardons for his last day. What a colossal joke he and the Republican Party have turned all this into. Or maybe they just revealed the joke it always was
raises an interesting question though
can you pardon someone who hasn't even been formally charged and tried yet?
Yes, unfortunately.
What are the limits on that? I assume you can't issue a blanket, unconditional future pardon for any and all crimes, just crimes someone has already been accused of.
IIRC Nixon hadn't been formally charged or accused of anything when he resigned. Ford gave him a blanket pardon.
i think the only limit is that the conduct has to be in the past, like a president couldn't make someone immune for things they haven't done yet
While his are probably bullshit it's not unusual for a President to do so.
America is so weird. Do any other non monarchy countries have pardons or a pardon equivalent?
I assume most countries reserve the right for the head of state to pardon people.
I dunno I don’t think there’s anything nearly as absolute and open ended as the US pardon power.
Also if you pardon someone for unspecified crimes, like what if it comes out they like raped and killed children. Does that get pardoned? The whole thing being so open is what’s nuts
I’m pretty sure if there are pardon powers in other democracies they aren’t nearly as open ended and have to go through a more rigorous process
The pardon power (for the purposes of this post being pardons, sentence commutations, rescinded convictions, etc) has actually been used dramatically less during the modern presidency than it was in the past. Used to be presidents pardoned thousands of people. It's hundreds now. Except for Obama, he pardoned just shy of 2k people.
Anyway, so far as it's been tested, what's commonly accepted is the president can only pardon federal crimes. The pardon cannot be a blanket pardon, it must be issued for specific crimes, and only for crimes already committed.
Untested, to my knowledge, is that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt for the crime and leaves the person open to civil or state liabilities if applicable.
The only pardon limitation listed in the constitution is "except in the case of impeachment" which is generally taken to mean the president can't pardon themselves to get out of being impeached, but anything else is fair game. I don't know if, say, Justice Thomas was being impeached if the president could pardon that.
how does a brain go "I am a patriot" while literally selling state secrets to the Russians
i don't fucking understand
MICE.
Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego.
Stupidity fits into any one of those, but it's not hard for me to come up with ways to twist a Q-loving shitheads beliefs around all number of ways to justify them doing what I want them to do. The following is off the top of my head and assumes the woman didn't plan to commit espionage, because lets face it, she probably didn't, she's just a total fucking moron.
Offer them a shit ton of money for the souvenir they got from Pelosi's office? Don't even have to say it's for espianoge related reasons, just "hey, that's neat! Wanna buy it off of you!" The woman may be too stupid to realize that her Russian friend would, in her words, betray her like that.
Reach out to them and say "Hey, I think that laptop you got has proof of Pelosi being a Demon from Venus that bathes in the bloods of the children she pedophiles. Hand it over and we can help you crack this wide open. They're good at codes and stuff, we can break it."
Or, you're their friend you reach out and say "Man, all these people are getting arrested. You're next. Turn over the computer you got and we can help you. If you don't we can't help you/will tell them where you are/let them "find out" you stole it on purpose to be a spy.
I can't put myself in the right headspace to figure out an Ego turn though.
Unions are a net positive with some negative trends that tend to crop up in lots of established unions. The biggest one being corruption like with any other large organization that inevitably handles lots of money.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
Russia has established themselves as a global alpha dog over American conservatives - who want the same kleptocracy where powerful men can have people disappeared, and sometimes punk rock girls get sent to the gulag for blasphemy.
People calling that person a shaman squicks me right out.
But that is true of pretty much anyone I see being called that in these modern times, because appropriation is most often just benevolent prejudice. The positive racism of simultaneously co-opting and profaning regalia and practices of, oh, whatever indigenous tribe takes their fancy, they're all the same (pan-Indian solidarity aside) is just fuel in keeping the noble savage myth going and degrading the truth. Same old same old.
But that guy in particular.
Well
/unadulterated Southern
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His
Heart
Anyway, we're debating on watching the inauguration simply because of the possibility of horror in real time. Which sucks.
Reports are that trump is lining up 100s of pardons for his last day. What a colossal joke he and the Republican Party have turned all this into. Or maybe they just revealed the joke it always was
raises an interesting question though
can you pardon someone who hasn't even been formally charged and tried yet?
trump specifically tested this during his term and it was found "I guess there's no rule that dogs CAN'T play basketball"
Thinking on this, weren't the blanket pardons for draft dodgers the same thing, in the sense that even if it did pardon a ton of people officially charged, it also unofficially signaled that nobody could be charged for prior draft dodging after the fact and so a bunch of people came back from Canada?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'd pardon people constantly if I was the president
or is it solely an on the way out the door "btw" move?
People pardon during the lame duck period because it’s impossible for them to face political ramifications because of it
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Reports are that trump is lining up 100s of pardons for his last day. What a colossal joke he and the Republican Party have turned all this into. Or maybe they just revealed the joke it always was
raises an interesting question though
can you pardon someone who hasn't even been formally charged and tried yet?
trump specifically tested this during his term and it was found "I guess there's no rule that dogs CAN'T play basketball"
I mean Ford pardoned Nixon immediately, it has never been challenged successfully
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Russia has established themselves as a global alpha dog over American conservatives - who want the same kleptocracy where powerful men can have people disappeared, and sometimes punk rock girls get sent to the gulag for blasphemy.
The same people who worship Trump would be twice as thirsty for Putin, given half a chance.
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L Ron HowardThe duckMinnesotaRegistered Userregular
Sorry if this was already posted. I didn't see it while catching up.
Russia has established themselves as a global alpha dog over American conservatives - who want the same kleptocracy where powerful men can have people disappeared, and sometimes punk rock girls get sent to the gulag for blasphemy.
The same people who worship Trump would be twice as thirsty for Putin, given half a chance.
Yeah I definitely remember a period pre-Trump when there seemed to be a big influx of Strongman Putin memes going around
Are the self service kiosks big in grocery stores in the USA? They are everywhere here.
Most McDs here in NZ just straight up will not serve you from the counter and I’m sure they were doing that before the virus
Self-checkouts? They're pretty common here in grocery stores and Target/Walmart etc. (though not in Whole Foods yet, as far as I've seen - I guess Bezos is waiting until he can implement that Amazon store "take shit off the shelves and walk out and our all-seeing Brother Eye will charge your Prime account" tech). I imagine it's a regional thing though, they're probably less common in lower-income areas?
Major chains by me have em. The local grocery stores had them, but got rid of them because people were just saying all their groceries were corn and paying $5 for a cart full and they had to have staff watch them to curtail theft and at that point why not just have normal registers.
how does a brain go "I am a patriot" while literally selling state secrets to the Russians
i don't fucking understand
MICE.
Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego.
Stupidity fits into any one of those, but it's not hard for me to come up with ways to twist a Q-loving shitheads beliefs around all number of ways to justify them doing what I want them to do. The following is off the top of my head and assumes the woman didn't plan to commit espionage, because lets face it, she probably didn't, she's just a total fucking moron.
Offer them a shit ton of money for the souvenir they got from Pelosi's office? Don't even have to say it's for espianoge related reasons, just "hey, that's neat! Wanna buy it off of you!" The woman may be too stupid to realize that her Russian friend would, in her words, betray her like that.
Reach out to them and say "Hey, I think that laptop you got has proof of Pelosi being a Demon from Venus that bathes in the bloods of the children she pedophiles. Hand it over and we can help you crack this wide open. They're good at codes and stuff, we can break it."
Or, you're their friend you reach out and say "Man, all these people are getting arrested. You're next. Turn over the computer you got and we can help you. If you don't we can't help you/will tell them where you are/let them "find out" you stole it on purpose to be a spy.
I can't put myself in the right headspace to figure out an Ego turn though.
You just add an extra I for "Idiot", because spelling it MIICE is appropriate when dealing with one.
Russia has established themselves as a global alpha dog over American conservatives - who want the same kleptocracy where powerful men can have people disappeared, and sometimes punk rock girls get sent to the gulag for blasphemy.
The same people who worship Trump would be twice as thirsty for Putin, given half a chance.
Yeah I definitely remember a period pre-Trump when there seemed to be a big influx of Strongman Putin memes going around
Obama famously did not like Putin at all.
So kn response they all went "Well clearly that means Putin is good"
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Russia has established themselves as a global alpha dog over American conservatives - who want the same kleptocracy where powerful men can have people disappeared, and sometimes punk rock girls get sent to the gulag for blasphemy.
The same people who worship Trump would be twice as thirsty for Putin, given half a chance.
Yeah I definitely remember a period pre-Trump when there seemed to be a big influx of Strongman Putin memes going around
Obama famously did not like Putin at all.
So on reaponse they all went "Well clearly that means Putin is good"
Realistically, Putin probably tortured some of Obama's Kenyan relatives or played a roll in it. Dude was in the KGB.
Are the self service kiosks big in grocery stores in the USA? They are everywhere here.
Most McDs here in NZ just straight up will not serve you from the counter and I’m sure they were doing that before the virus
Self-checkouts? They're pretty common here in grocery stores and Target/Walmart etc. (though not in Whole Foods yet, as far as I've seen - I guess Bezos is waiting until he can implement that Amazon store "take shit off the shelves and walk out and our all-seeing Brother Eye will charge your Prime account" tech). I imagine it's a regional thing though, they're probably less common in lower-income areas?
Major chains by me have em. The local grocery stores had them, but got rid of them because people were just saying all their groceries were corn and paying $5 for a cart full and they had to have staff watch them to curtail theft and at that point why not just have normal registers.
Everywhere around me has them, even the lower income areas. There's always someone overseeing the entire self-checkout area to check IDs, fix errors, make sure someone's not buying corn-steak.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
I actually like the self-checkout kiosks a lot due to social anxiety, and it seems like most of the logistic kinks have gotten figured out, except for one tiny oversight at my local bigbox hardware store. The kiosk weighs the stuff you’re bagging as a low-tier theft barrier, while excluding bulky items that don’t go in bags like 24-packs of toilet paper etc. Only for some reason they don’t exclude lumber. Stupid machine demands that I bag each 8 foot long 2x4.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
Unions are a net positive with some negative trends that tend to crop up in lots of established unions. The biggest one being corruption like with any other large organization that inevitably handles lots of money.
Its always struck me as interesting that unions arent bigger there since theyre huge in ozzie land.
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Blanket pardon was also used for all the "draft dodgers" after WW2, so it's not like its very existence is bad, just the way it's been used pretty much every other time once the concept was proven
Apparently Clinton also pardoned 100 people or so on his last day.
That's some real fuckin' horseshit.
I don't see why? Like the people Trump is pardoning is mostly war criminals and monsters of other flavors but I don't have a problem with presidential pardons as a concept.
Like I get that the justice system is broken and so pardons can be literally life saving. But it feels like a massive issue that exists because the justice system is broken, and it’s weird to have that in the law. Like it shouldn’t be down to the whims of an individual who will leave office at some point and potentially leave many who should be pardoned stuck. It’s just weird, and the fact that people don’t find it weird is weird to me. Like I don’t want to get rid of it, because as mentioned before it saves individuals and sometimes groups from a broken system, it’s just weird and I can’t quite explain why I find it so weird.
I don’t think many other comparable countries have a similar system where the prime minister or leader can just pardon sometimes thousands of people for any reason or no reason. Or just not pardon anyone
The pardon power works because presidents use it, but what if a president just decided never to use it? Or only use it to pardon friends
I get that there’s a committee that usually handles the bulk of this, but is that committee codified in law? If not it feels like it should be. The process should have some standardisation or codification
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trump specifically tested this during his term and it was found "I guess there's no rule that dogs CAN'T play basketball"
i think the only limit is that the conduct has to be in the past, like a president couldn't make someone immune for things they haven't done yet
I dunno I don’t think there’s anything nearly as absolute and open ended as the US pardon power.
Also if you pardon someone for unspecified crimes, like what if it comes out they like raped and killed children. Does that get pardoned? The whole thing being so open is what’s nuts
I’m pretty sure if there are pardon powers in other democracies they aren’t nearly as open ended and have to go through a more rigorous process
We make them stand on a picture of donald trump or quit.
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That's some real fuckin' horseshit.
Obama did a ton of pardons/commutations in the last few weeks, but it was mostly for drug convictions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States
Anyway, so far as it's been tested, what's commonly accepted is the president can only pardon federal crimes. The pardon cannot be a blanket pardon, it must be issued for specific crimes, and only for crimes already committed.
Untested, to my knowledge, is that accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt for the crime and leaves the person open to civil or state liabilities if applicable.
The only pardon limitation listed in the constitution is "except in the case of impeachment" which is generally taken to mean the president can't pardon themselves to get out of being impeached, but anything else is fair game. I don't know if, say, Justice Thomas was being impeached if the president could pardon that.
such patriotism
how does a brain go "I am a patriot" while literally selling state secrets to the Russians
i don't fucking understand
Because Russians are now their fellow patriots. And by patriots I mean fellow white supremacist, nationalist fascists
If China was white and Christian it would be their best friend
MICE.
Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego.
Stupidity fits into any one of those, but it's not hard for me to come up with ways to twist a Q-loving shitheads beliefs around all number of ways to justify them doing what I want them to do. The following is off the top of my head and assumes the woman didn't plan to commit espionage, because lets face it, she probably didn't, she's just a total fucking moron.
Offer them a shit ton of money for the souvenir they got from Pelosi's office? Don't even have to say it's for espianoge related reasons, just "hey, that's neat! Wanna buy it off of you!" The woman may be too stupid to realize that her Russian friend would, in her words, betray her like that.
Reach out to them and say "Hey, I think that laptop you got has proof of Pelosi being a Demon from Venus that bathes in the bloods of the children she pedophiles. Hand it over and we can help you crack this wide open. They're good at codes and stuff, we can break it."
Or, you're their friend you reach out and say "Man, all these people are getting arrested. You're next. Turn over the computer you got and we can help you. If you don't we can't help you/will tell them where you are/let them "find out" you stole it on purpose to be a spy.
I can't put myself in the right headspace to figure out an Ego turn though.
But that is true of pretty much anyone I see being called that in these modern times, because appropriation is most often just benevolent prejudice. The positive racism of simultaneously co-opting and profaning regalia and practices of, oh, whatever indigenous tribe takes their fancy, they're all the same (pan-Indian solidarity aside) is just fuel in keeping the noble savage myth going and degrading the truth. Same old same old.
But that guy in particular.
Well
/unadulterated Southern
Bless
His
Heart
Anyway, we're debating on watching the inauguration simply because of the possibility of horror in real time. Which sucks.
Thinking on this, weren't the blanket pardons for draft dodgers the same thing, in the sense that even if it did pardon a ton of people officially charged, it also unofficially signaled that nobody could be charged for prior draft dodging after the fact and so a bunch of people came back from Canada?
People pardon during the lame duck period because it’s impossible for them to face political ramifications because of it
I mean Ford pardoned Nixon immediately, it has never been challenged successfully
The Russians?
The same people who worship Trump would be twice as thirsty for Putin, given half a chance.
Tom Watson is a Democratic strategist.
Yeah I definitely remember a period pre-Trump when there seemed to be a big influx of Strongman Putin memes going around
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Major chains by me have em. The local grocery stores had them, but got rid of them because people were just saying all their groceries were corn and paying $5 for a cart full and they had to have staff watch them to curtail theft and at that point why not just have normal registers.
I expect a video later tonight
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You just add an extra I for "Idiot", because spelling it MIICE is appropriate when dealing with one.
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Obama famously did not like Putin at all.
So kn response they all went "Well clearly that means Putin is good"
Realistically, Putin probably tortured some of Obama's Kenyan relatives or played a roll in it. Dude was in the KGB.
Everywhere around me has them, even the lower income areas. There's always someone overseeing the entire self-checkout area to check IDs, fix errors, make sure someone's not buying corn-steak.
Its always struck me as interesting that unions arent bigger there since theyre huge in ozzie land.
I don't see why? Like the people Trump is pardoning is mostly war criminals and monsters of other flavors but I don't have a problem with presidential pardons as a concept.
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I don’t think many other comparable countries have a similar system where the prime minister or leader can just pardon sometimes thousands of people for any reason or no reason. Or just not pardon anyone
The pardon power works because presidents use it, but what if a president just decided never to use it? Or only use it to pardon friends
I get that there’s a committee that usually handles the bulk of this, but is that committee codified in law? If not it feels like it should be. The process should have some standardisation or codification
I dunno, again, it’s weird