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Far Right DC Putsch thread 2

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    In its original conception I imagine the pardon as being part of the checks and balances, specifically an executive check against the judiciary.

    The problem may be how those checks and balances have destabilised

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    Like I get that the justice system is broken and so pardons can be literally life saving. But it feels like a massive issue that exists because the justice system is broken, and it’s weird to have that in the law. Like it shouldn’t be down to the whims of an individual who will leave office at some point and potentially leave many who should be pardoned stuck. It’s just weird, and the fact that people don’t find it weird is weird to me. Like I don’t want to get rid of it, because as mentioned before it saves individuals and sometimes groups from a broken system, it’s just weird and I can’t quite explain why I find it so weird.

    I don’t think many other comparable countries have a similar system where the prime minister or leader can just pardon sometimes thousands of people for any reason or no reason. Or just not pardon anyone

    The pardon power works because presidents use it, but what if a president just decided never to use it? Or only use it to pardon friends

    I get that there’s a committee that usually handles the bulk of this, but is that committee codified in law? If not it feels like it should be. The process should have some standardisation or codification

    I dunno, again, it’s weird

    I am always reticent to praise the founding fathers for much but if anything they did was good it was realizing that they were at best crafting a government that was better than what came before. Not perfect. Not unimpeachable. Just better. Every decision that they made aknowledging that their creation would need flexibility or adapting is something I respect.

    It sucks that we need limited levers in which to curve injustice but it would be far worse if we instead pretended that there were no miscarriages of justice.

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  • VixxVixx Valkyrie: prepared! Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    The amount of labor that some working class people will put into defending capitalists and tearing down their fellow workers is depressing

    my last job was in a factory. after a couple years there i low-key tried to start a union which never got off the ground, but it was incredible how the dudes i worked with would twist themselves into knots defending the people exploiting us which no one even disagreed was what was happening. there's some heavy psychology and incredibly effective propagandizing at work there that for the life of me i don't know how to fight against

    you can lay out all the indisputable facts about wage labor being inherently exploitative and unfair and people will mostly agree, but if you start talking about solutions to that exploitation everyone looks at you like you have lobsters crawling out of your ears. it's really disheartening

    Oh if that’s not depressing enough, here’s how this type of thing is even more self-reinforcing!

    Let’s say that we accept the (faulty, exploitative, bullshit) narrative that a person’s worth is determined by how much they produce and/or how much they get paid for what they produce.

    When the folks at your factory know they are being exploited but still balk at the suggestion of unionizing, what you are actually asking them to do is to reject that narrative. But they can’t. It’s been a formative part of their lives, doing back into their parents’ lives. Folks who are in charge are better, smarter, paid their dues, etc. Ergo, the solution to being exploited isn’t to fight the status quo, it’s to want to become one of the people in charge instead. Both to protect yourself from exploitation and to make more money (and thus, increase your intrinsic worth as a person).

    That is, it’s not that the bigwigs are dicks, it’s that you, the individual, are bad at life. You’re being exploited because you’re poor, you’re dumb, you don’t work hard enough, you’re paying your dues... it’s your fault.

    That gets internalized like crazy. It’s not just a warped, wrong narrative now, it’s reality! You turn it on yourself, on others. Deep down that shitty self-worth either eats you alive, explodes onto others, or both. Minorities are the problem, for example. Folks who aren’t you. Folks overseas doing the same work for less. Automation (and by extension, intellectuals and academics).

    And along with that shitty self-worth and external locus of control comes the notion that there is nothing YOU can do to change things. You can’t do it, you have no power. You can’t do it, because someone else is either more important or is easier to blame.

    The longer this goes on, the more automatic it becomes. Unionize? No, that’s not for me. That won’t fix things, or I can’t risk what little I have, or I’m not the bad guy & unions are bad, or a marginalized group of people is the REAL problem.

    Oh and your kids will learn this, too, because not only are they receiving the same messages you’ve been your whole life, you are now a living example of that reality. Your kids won’t even think twice when they hear the word “union”... they’ll just hear that as BAD, NOT ME, NOT US.

    And so the ruling class gleefully reinforces this narrative in all kinds of ways. They are happy for you to sit there, simultaneously helpless to change things while also somehow glad that you’ve got as little/“much” as you do, and for you to be paralyzed by fear and inadequacy while taking what action you CAN take out on someone else in the same (or worse) position.

    Now of course not everyone is in this boat. Lots of folks know that the narrative is bullshit sold by the ruling class to enable them to keep their power. But just ENOUGH people buy it to limit the efficacy of any movement that does get started, and that suits the bourgeoisie just fine.

    I mean, the simple fact that the police get called when someone has a mental health problem tells you absolutely everything you need to know about how this particular society works. On the surface it seems like two completely unrelated issues (workers rights vs policing), but in actuality the two are inextricably connected.

    I’m a social worker that works with people struggling with acute mental health issues, and I’ve had the privilege of listening to so many different-yet-kind-of-the-same stories. It’s incredible how indelible so much of this capitalist fuckery becomes in someone’s self-concept. If we just took care of people a little better, if we lived in a society that decided that you deserve a decent standard of living just because you EXIST, I’m absolutely confident I’d run the risk of being unemployed myself.

    Like I ain’t saying that mental illness won’t exist if we fix the systemic issues, but fuck it’d help!

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  • MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    It should probably be a system where the president is just a rubber stamp and not the judge and jury.

    Similar to how the UK monarch technically is the authority behind all their laws but in practice signs whatever laws she is asked to. The committee with proper oversight could be the ones doing the pardon crafting.

    I know thats how it works for a lot of them. Im saying it should be that way for all of them and the big cheese doesnt get to whip up his own.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021
    I'm kind of okay with presidential pardons on paper

    By all means any tool we have to lower the number of people in prison sounds good to me

    But it should probably be illegal for the president to pardon war criminals, corrupt politicians, and anyone they're personally associated with

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Tonkka wrote: »
    I've seen grocery stores in some areas install self checkout, and then mere months later remove them. I have never asked why but I do wonder if in some areas the usage is lower where older communities frequent those locations and prefer/need a teller to help them.

    On the other hand the Target in downtown Seattle now only has self checkout for regular items. Only the returns and booze have checkout clerks at actual registers.

    i don't know how much it factors in but it's really easy to steal shit from self-checkout

    also target has monstrous policies about shoplifting, so it makes sense that they'd make it easy

    I don't use the self check out because I am an Old and somehow always fuck up at least one item or I don't put the item in the correct bagging spot and I end up waiting like an asshole with that stupid light blinking until someone comes over to swipe their card and send me on my way.

    Fuck that. I'll wait twenty minutes in line for a cashier.

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    The amount of labor that some working class people will put into defending capitalists and tearing down their fellow workers is depressing

    my last job was in a factory. after a couple years there i low-key tried to start a union which never got off the ground, but it was incredible how the dudes i worked with would twist themselves into knots defending the people exploiting us which no one even disagreed was what was happening. there's some heavy psychology and incredibly effective propagandizing at work there that for the life of me i don't know how to fight against

    you can lay out all the indisputable facts about wage labor being inherently exploitative and unfair and people will mostly agree, but if you start talking about solutions to that exploitation everyone looks at you like you have lobsters crawling out of your ears. it's really disheartening

    Oh if that’s not depressing enough, here’s how this type of thing is even more self-reinforcing!

    Let’s say that we accept the (faulty, exploitative, bullshit) narrative that a person’s worth is determined by how much they produce and/or how much they get paid for what they produce.

    When the folks at your factory know they are being exploited but still balk at the suggestion of unionizing, what you are actually asking them to do is to reject that narrative. But they can’t. It’s been a formative part of their lives, doing back into their parents’ lives. Folks who are in charge are better, smarter, paid their dues, etc. Ergo, the solution to being exploited isn’t to fight the status quo, it’s to want to become one of the people in charge instead. Both to protect yourself from exploitation and to make more money (and thus, increase your intrinsic worth as a person).

    That is, it’s not that the bigwigs are dicks, it’s that you, the individual, are bad at life. You’re being exploited because you’re poor, you’re dumb, you don’t work hard enough, you’re paying your dues... it’s your fault.

    That gets internalized like crazy. It’s not just a warped, wrong narrative now, it’s reality! You turn it on yourself, on others. Deep down that shitty self-worth either eats you alive, explodes onto others, or both. Minorities are the problem, for example. Folks who aren’t you. Folks overseas doing the same work for less. Automation (and by extension, intellectuals and academics).

    And along with that shitty self-worth and external locus of control comes the notion that there is nothing YOU can do to change things. You can’t do it, you have no power. You can’t do it, because someone else is either more important or is easier to blame.

    The longer this goes on, the more automatic it becomes. Unionize? No, that’s not for me. That won’t fix things, or I can’t risk what little I have, or I’m not the bad guy & unions are bad, or a marginalized group of people is the REAL problem.

    Oh and your kids will learn this, too, because not only are they receiving the same messages you’ve been your whole life, you are now a living example of that reality. Your kids won’t even think twice when they hear the word “union”... they’ll just hear that as BAD, NOT ME, NOT US.

    And so the ruling class gleefully reinforces this narrative in all kinds of ways. They are happy for you to sit there, simultaneously helpless to change things while also somehow glad that you’ve got as little/“much” as you do, and for you to be paralyzed by fear and inadequacy while taking what action you CAN take out on someone else in the same (or worse) position.

    Now of course not everyone is in this boat. Lots of folks know that the narrative is bullshit sold by the ruling class to enable them to keep their power. But just ENOUGH people buy it to limit the efficacy of any movement that does get started, and that suits the bourgeoisie just fine.

    I mean, the simple fact that the police get called when someone has a mental health problem or tells you absolutely everything you need to know about how this particular society works. On the surface it seems like two completely unrelated issues (workers rights vs policing), but in actuality the two are inextricably connected.

    I’m a social worker that works with people struggling with acute mental health issues, and I’ve had the privilege of listening to so many different-yet-kind-of-the-same stories. It’s incredible how indelible so much of this capitalist fuckery becomes in someone’s self-concept. If we just took care of people a little better, if we lived in a society that decided that you deserve a decent standard of living just because you EXIST, I’m absolutely confident I’d run the risk of being unemployed myself.

    Like I ain’t saying that mental illness won’t exist if we fix the systemic issues, but fuck it’d help!

    i don't really have anything to add to this, but i agree hard enough that just clicking the "agree" button isn't agreeing enough

    all i want is for the workers to control the means of production, is that so much to ask

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    I did self-checkout until I could do pickup for groceries this year because I figure it probably statistically reduced the likelihood that a cashier would get infected. Pickup isn't bad although they do sometimes use like 10 bags for 8 items somehow.

    But I hate the self-checkout intensely. It's me doing a job I don't want to do and doing it worse than anyone who does it for a living. I want a cashier and a person who bags because then all my stuff is actually well-packed and it takes like a third of the time.

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  • OdinOdin Registered User regular
    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2021/01/its-pardons-for-dollars-as-trump-era-draws-to-a-close/
    As President Trump prepares to leave office in days, a lucrative market for pardons is coming to a head, with some of his allies collecting fees from wealthy felons or their associates

    Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer John M. Dowd has marketed himself to convicted felons as someone who could secure pardons because of his close relationship with the president, accepting tens of thousands of dollars from a wealthy felon….A onetime top adviser to the Trump campaign was paid $50,000 to help seek a pardon for John Kiriakou, a former C.I.A. officer….And Mr. Kiriakou was separately told that Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani could help him secure a pardon for $2 million

    It would be great if these clowns got slapped with bribery charges and had their pardons revoked. I'm not too optimistic though.

  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    I did self-checkout until I could do pickup for groceries this year because I figure it probably statistically reduced the likelihood that a cashier would get infected. Pickup isn't bad although they do sometimes use like 10 bags for 8 items somehow.

    But I hate the self-checkout intensely. It's me doing a job I don't want to do and doing it worse than anyone who does it for a living. I want a cashier and a person who bags because then all my stuff is actually well-packed and it takes like a third of the time.

    I like the self checkout because it is the way I CAN get my stuff bagged well. I usually bring 2 or 3 cloth bags, and when I bag it myself I can fill them up cleanly. If I have a bagger do it I will usually get like 5 items across all my bags and then like 10 extra plastic bags for no good reason.

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
    selling pardons is the most american thing i've ever heard

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  • CelloCello Registered User regular
    I'll use self-checkout if I have under 10ish items because I used to be a cashier and can run it pretty fast (especially for the rare times I am at the store during covid, because I'm usually rushing to get outside the building and be indoors as little as possible)

    If I have a cart I'm going to the cashier though, because I definitely do not have the patience or room to bag things appropriately

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  • ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Odin wrote: »
    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2021/01/its-pardons-for-dollars-as-trump-era-draws-to-a-close/
    As President Trump prepares to leave office in days, a lucrative market for pardons is coming to a head, with some of his allies collecting fees from wealthy felons or their associates

    Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer John M. Dowd has marketed himself to convicted felons as someone who could secure pardons because of his close relationship with the president, accepting tens of thousands of dollars from a wealthy felon….A onetime top adviser to the Trump campaign was paid $50,000 to help seek a pardon for John Kiriakou, a former C.I.A. officer….And Mr. Kiriakou was separately told that Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani could help him secure a pardon for $2 million

    It would be great if these clowns got slapped with bribery charges and had their pardons revoked. I'm not too optimistic though.

    I hope Trump doesn't pardon this guy and all his associates keep the money.

    The grift is real

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Baggers using too many bags is unfortunately a learned response to people who act like you're asking them to lift a car if you put more than a few things into any given bag

    Also double bag it

  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021
    selling pardons is the most american thing i've ever heard

    We had to find something to lead and innovate with on the Western corruption front. The church had a head start with 1400 years of Simony and indulgences before we came into being, gotta make up for lost time.

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
    hold on now, we don't have corruption in the US

    it's called lobbying, and we made it perfectly legal

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  • AbacusAbacus Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    On the pardon power, my impression is that is a check of the Executive over the Judicial branch, and is supposed to be counteracted by the Legislative having checks over the Executive. But the US Congress has long been incredibly useless as an institution, since is easier to do nothing and grandstand.

    For example, EU legislation with respect to the Internet is miles ahead.

    But hey, Democrats control both branches now, so that might change. It probably won't, but hope springs eternal.

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  • altlat55altlat55 Registered User regular
    selling pardons is the most american thing i've ever heard

    The catholic church was doing that centuries before the US existed

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    The amount of labor that some working class people will put into defending capitalists and tearing down their fellow workers is depressing

    my last job was in a factory. after a couple years there i low-key tried to start a union which never got off the ground, but it was incredible how the dudes i worked with would twist themselves into knots defending the people exploiting us which no one even disagreed was what was happening. there's some heavy psychology and incredibly effective propagandizing at work there that for the life of me i don't know how to fight against

    you can lay out all the indisputable facts about wage labor being inherently exploitative and unfair and people will mostly agree, but if you start talking about solutions to that exploitation everyone looks at you like you have lobsters crawling out of your ears. it's really disheartening

    Oh if that’s not depressing enough, here’s how this type of thing is even more self-reinforcing!

    Let’s say that we accept the (faulty, exploitative, bullshit) narrative that a person’s worth is determined by how much they produce and/or how much they get paid for what they produce.

    When the folks at your factory know they are being exploited but still balk at the suggestion of unionizing, what you are actually asking them to do is to reject that narrative. But they can’t. It’s been a formative part of their lives, doing back into their parents’ lives. Folks who are in charge are better, smarter, paid their dues, etc. Ergo, the solution to being exploited isn’t to fight the status quo, it’s to want to become one of the people in charge instead. Both to protect yourself from exploitation and to make more money (and thus, increase your intrinsic worth as a person).

    That is, it’s not that the bigwigs are dicks, it’s that you, the individual, are bad at life. You’re being exploited because you’re poor, you’re dumb, you don’t work hard enough, you’re paying your dues... it’s your fault.

    That gets internalized like crazy. It’s not just a warped, wrong narrative now, it’s reality! You turn it on yourself, on others. Deep down that shitty self-worth either eats you alive, explodes onto others, or both. Minorities are the problem, for example. Folks who aren’t you. Folks overseas doing the same work for less. Automation (and by extension, intellectuals and academics).

    And along with that shitty self-worth and external locus of control comes the notion that there is nothing YOU can do to change things. You can’t do it, you have no power. You can’t do it, because someone else is either more important or is easier to blame.

    The longer this goes on, the more automatic it becomes. Unionize? No, that’s not for me. That won’t fix things, or I can’t risk what little I have, or I’m not the bad guy & unions are bad, or a marginalized group of people is the REAL problem.

    Oh and your kids will learn this, too, because not only are they receiving the same messages you’ve been your whole life, you are now a living example of that reality. Your kids won’t even think twice when they hear the word “union”... they’ll just hear that as BAD, NOT ME, NOT US.

    And so the ruling class gleefully reinforces this narrative in all kinds of ways. They are happy for you to sit there, simultaneously helpless to change things while also somehow glad that you’ve got as little/“much” as you do, and for you to be paralyzed by fear and inadequacy while taking what action you CAN take out on someone else in the same (or worse) position.

    Now of course not everyone is in this boat. Lots of folks know that the narrative is bullshit sold by the ruling class to enable them to keep their power. But just ENOUGH people buy it to limit the efficacy of any movement that does get started, and that suits the bourgeoisie just fine.

    I mean, the simple fact that the police get called when someone has a mental health problem or tells you absolutely everything you need to know about how this particular society works. On the surface it seems like two completely unrelated issues (workers rights vs policing), but in actuality the two are inextricably connected.

    I’m a social worker that works with people struggling with acute mental health issues, and I’ve had the privilege of listening to so many different-yet-kind-of-the-same stories. It’s incredible how indelible so much of this capitalist fuckery becomes in someone’s self-concept. If we just took care of people a little better, if we lived in a society that decided that you deserve a decent standard of living just because you EXIST, I’m absolutely confident I’d run the risk of being unemployed myself.

    Like I ain’t saying that mental illness won’t exist if we fix the systemic issues, but fuck it’d help!

    i don't really have anything to add to this, but i agree hard enough that just clicking the "agree" button isn't agreeing enough

    all i want is for the workers to control the means of production, is that so much to ask

    you want to lime that for truth, is what you want to do

  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    I feel like maybe "checks and balances" never worked. We've had like 50 total years as a fully participatory democracy and there have been constant crises.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    selling pardons is the most american thing i've ever heard

    Its very Catholic really.

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  • DouglasDouglas PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    The US still isn't a fully participating democracy, millions of citizens are disenfranchised and millions of residents are unable to become citizens

    And million of citizens live in areas where they just don't get to vote

  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    selling pardons is the most american thing i've ever heard

    Its very Catholic really.

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits Registered User regular
    edited January 2021
    Edit: drafts!!!!!

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
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    the ultra-rich and influential can skip the line for something alright

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    Alan Levine is a technology executive for Wright Williams and Kelly, which specializes in optimizing complex manufacturing environments for products such as integrated circuits and solar cells.

    writing an op-ed on why me, a wealthy technology executive, should be able to get vaccinated first is a real power move

  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    I'd prefer it if we vaccinated the supermarket workers first. They're the people I'm going to be in contact with regularly

  • FlarneFlarne Registered User regular
    They vaccinated the king and queen here already, even though we're in Phase 1 and they should be in Phase 2 or 3.

    Not sure why they thought that was a good idea considering our general "don't think you're better than anyone else" rule applies to royalty as well. There were quite a few outraged letters to the papers.

  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
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    the ultra-rich and influential can skip the line for something alright

    I’d rather see this guy out than hear him out.

  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Unions are a net positive with some negative trends that tend to crop up in lots of established unions. The biggest one being corruption like with any other large organization that inevitably handles lots of money.

    Its always struck me as interesting that unions arent bigger there since theyre huge in ozzie land.

    There is uh... a reason for that. In that there was like forty years of lots of political forces working to destroy unions in the US. By the 90s most were dead, even if some didn't (and still don't) know it.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Also even when unions were more prominent in the US they were still ruled by white men and explicitly sexist/racist.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Also even when unions were more prominent in the US they were still ruled by white men and explicitly sexist/racist.

    Some? It was more nuanced than this.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Also even when unions were more prominent in the US they were still ruled by white men and explicitly sexist/racist.

    There were many unions of non-white workers and working women, it's just that it was like pulling teeth to convince white male unions that their fates were in any way tied to these folks.

    People like the IWW worked to get people to understand that having two meetings an hour apart to ask both the white and non-white unions to participate in an action was maybe incredibly silly, but it was only ever marginally successful.

    Plus US unions never really saw themselves as all working toward a common goal which you'd think they would get but like WW2 was a time when larger unions solidified their positions in part by selling out and undermining smaller ones in the name of keeping the war effort running smoothly.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    If you ask me it should be illegal to be president. You gotta govern from prison

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2021





    another normal one in america


    edit: appears to be a small fire that has been contained. A homeless person lost all their stuff though.

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  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    I'd prefer it if we vaccinated the supermarket workers first. They're the people I'm going to be in contact with regularly

    Thanks to WA age restrictions, even though grocery workers are in the next phase, it's only the over-50s. In my 40s but stuck waiting till April. Meanwhile people keep getting worse about masks.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Zxerol wrote: »
    another normal one in america


    edit: appears to be a small fire that has been contained. A homeless person lost all their stuff though.

    This actually is semi-normal in DC; in the before-times I've been stuck inside at least one coffee shop waiting for the bomb squad to investigate a suspicious package that turned out to be an unhoused person's backpack or something.

  • KadithKadith Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    If you ask me it should be illegal to be president. You gotta govern from prison

    it's the best way to be president i agree

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  • Typhoid MannyTyphoid Manny Registered User regular
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    most of this isn't true but it's badass anyway

    for example if you got to a socialist meeting you almost certainly won't meet any skeletons, more's the pity

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    HA ! HA !!

    BEWARE.

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