“I understand what it is like to face tough choices while working to meet your family's most basic needs. I also know the difference better wages can make, which is why I helped lead Arizona's effort to pass an indexed minimum wage in 2006, and strongly supported the voter-approved state minimum wage increase in 2016. No person who works full time should live in poverty. Senators in both parties have shown support for raising the federal minimum wage and the Senate should hold an open debate and amendment process on raising the minimum wage, separate from the COVID-focused reconciliation bill. I will keep working with colleagues in both parties to ensure Americans can access good-paying jobs, quality education, and skills training to build more economically secure lives for themselves and their families.”
There's only one federal minimum wage, but the level it should be set at and the process it should be set at are different questions. Personally? Kind of a BS excuse. But it's her reasoning.
“I understand what it is like to face tough choices while working to meet your family's most basic needs. I also know the difference better wages can make, which is why I helped lead Arizona's effort to pass an indexed minimum wage in 2006, and strongly supported the voter-approved state minimum wage increase in 2016. No person who works full time should live in poverty. Senators in both parties have shown support for raising the federal minimum wage and the Senate should hold an open debate and amendment process on raising the minimum wage, separate from the COVID-focused reconciliation bill. I will keep working with colleagues in both parties to ensure Americans can access good-paying jobs, quality education, and skills training to build more economically secure lives for themselves and their families.”
There's only one federal minimum wage, but the level it should be set at and the process it should be set at are different questions. Personally? Kind of a BS excuse. But it's her reasoning.
I believe both Sinema and Manchin are both on record in favor of being in favor of a minimum wage that will still ensure that many people won't be able to afford simple neccessities despite working full-time jobs. I'm not sure about the other 6 Democratic dissenters.
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Apparently while all of this is going on the Republicans in Kentucky are voting on legislation to change the rules for how the State picks a replacement for the Senator if it comes up. Shockingly it puts the decision in the hands of the party who the Senator belonged to instead of the Governor. And they have a veto-proof majority. So McConnell's replacement would probably be a Republican, and is probably going to be his own top pick for the position, if it happens.
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Cause Manchin has previously said he wants $11/hr. Hassan above is saying $12 for sure. Most of these people don't seem to object to all minimum wage increases, they just think $15 is too high for this or that reason. Often stupid ones.
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Apparently while all of this is going on the Republicans in Kentucky are voting on legislation to change the rules for how the State picks a replacement for the Senator if it comes up. Shockingly it puts the decision in the hands of the party who the Senator belonged to instead of the Governor. And they have a veto-proof majority. So McConnell's replacement would probably be a Republican, and is probably going to be his own top pick for the position, if it happens.
Just have Ludergran-Grimes say she's a republican now, it's true enough
“I understand what it is like to face tough choices while working to meet your family's most basic needs. I also know the difference better wages can make, which is why I helped lead Arizona's effort to pass an indexed minimum wage in 2006, and strongly supported the voter-approved state minimum wage increase in 2016. No person who works full time should live in poverty. Senators in both parties have shown support for raising the federal minimum wage and the Senate should hold an open debate and amendment process on raising the minimum wage, separate from the COVID-focused reconciliation bill. I will keep working with colleagues in both parties to ensure Americans can access good-paying jobs, quality education, and skills training to build more economically secure lives for themselves and their families.”
There's only one federal minimum wage, but the level it should be set at and the process it should be set at are different questions. Personally? Kind of a BS excuse. But it's her reasoning.
so it sounds to me like you're saying she thinks $15 an hour is too high for federal minimum wage?
Apparently while all of this is going on the Republicans in Kentucky are voting on legislation to change the rules for how the State picks a replacement for the Senator if it comes up. Shockingly it puts the decision in the hands of the party who the Senator belonged to instead of the Governor. And they have a veto-proof majority. So McConnell's replacement would probably be a Republican, and is probably going to be his own top pick for the position, if it happens.
Just have Ludergran-Grimes say she's a republican now, it's true enough
"If the bill becomes law, the appointment to fill a vacancy will be selected from a list of three names submitted by the state executive committee of the same political party as the senator who held the vacant seat."
So the Governor would have to pick between three people the Republican Party nominates for the position, and chances are they'll just pick the top three from McConnell's list.
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I believe both Sinema and Manchin are both on record in favor of being in favor of a minimum wage that will still ensure that many people won't be able to afford simple neccessities despite working full-time jobs. I'm not sure about the other 6 Democratic dissenters.
I would not be shocked if a few others voted no on purely procedural grounds. "This is not the way things are supposed to be done in the Senate" think a lot of Senators who are worthless idiots.
She's a conservative who votes like shit, I see no reason to believe she wants any increase to the federal minimum wage here.
Based on what?
You literally just posted evidence suggesting the opposite.
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"we should raise the minimum wage, but to a number I pulled out of my ass instead of the number that everyone wants" is not a position which should be interpreted as "in favor of raising the minimum wage", because it completely fails to engage with the argument behind the policy
She's a conservative who votes like shit, I see no reason to believe she wants any increase to the federal minimum wage here.
Based on what?
You literally just posted evidence suggesting the opposite.
She used to be pretty liberal. Anti war protester etc. Once she started getting near to some real power she took a right wing turn. And wound uo pulling shit like voting with Trump more often than not.
Power corrupts, its just rare to see it so blatant and unnecessarily.
"we should raise the minimum wage, but to a number I pulled out of my ass instead of the number that everyone wants" is not a position which should be interpreted as "in favor of raising the minimum wage", because it completely fails to engage with the argument behind the policy
"We should raise the minimum wage but I think $15 is too high, how about $11 (or some other number) instead?" is a perfectly coherent position. It's what other Senators have already said too.
I really don't think this stuff is that hard to fathom, even if you disagree with it.
"we should raise the minimum wage, but to a number I pulled out of my ass instead of the number that everyone wants" is not a position which should be interpreted as "in favor of raising the minimum wage", because it completely fails to engage with the argument behind the policy
"We should raise the minimum wage but I think $15 is too high, how about $11 (or some other number) instead?" is a perfectly coherent position. It's what other Senators have already said too.
I really don't think this stuff is that hard to fathom, even if you disagree with it.
Yeah, looking into the two instances of Sinema supporting the minimum wage, in 2006 and 2016, it's looking like the only times that she's taken an affirmative position on the minimum wage, is when she didn't really have any actual say in its outcome. So it's most likely that she's never really been in favor of raising the minimum wage, but jumped on the coattails of popular policy to score easy points. It happens a lot!
Now that she can actually prevent it, she's doing so, while citing the figure as excessive to avoid being painted as a hypocrite.
EDIT: This goes to Manchin too. I strongly suspect that if an $11 amendment were proposed, they would both find a different rationalization for why they would not support it.
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"we should raise the minimum wage, but to a number I pulled out of my ass instead of the number that everyone wants" is not a position which should be interpreted as "in favor of raising the minimum wage", because it completely fails to engage with the argument behind the policy
"We should raise the minimum wage but I think $15 is too high, how about $11 (or some other number) instead?" is a perfectly coherent position. It's what other Senators have already said too.
I really don't think this stuff is that hard to fathom, even if you disagree with it.
it's incoherent. I believe they mean it, and I understand what they mean. that's not what coherence is.
Yeah, looking into the two instances of Sinema supporting the minimum wage, in 2006 and 2016, it's looking like the only times that she's taken an affirmative position on the minimum wage, is when she didn't really have any actual say in its outcome. So it's most likely that she's never really been in favor of raising the minimum wage, but jumped on the coattails of popular policy to score easy points. It happens a lot!
Now that she can actually prevent it, she's doing so, while citing the figure as excessive to avoid being painted as a hypocrite.
EDIT: This goes to Manchin too. I strongly suspect that if an $11 amendment were proposed, they would both find a different rationalization for why they would not support it.
Never fucking mind that the two of them could get together and co sponsor an amendment at a number/scale/mechanism they would support if they actually gave a fuck.
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can you elaborate on this, because it doesn't make any sense to me. what does "this one" mean, there's only one federal minimum wage
She has stated her support for raising the minimum wage ~52% to $11/hr
If you can get them on board to lock that to cost of living increases it would at least be a starting point and then you could press for more later.
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There's only one federal minimum wage, but the level it should be set at and the process it should be set at are different questions. Personally? Kind of a BS excuse. But it's her reasoning.
Its post hoc nonsense.
She has stated her support for raising the minimum wage ~52% to $11/hr
To how much though?
Cause Manchin has previously said he wants $11/hr. Hassan above is saying $12 for sure. Most of these people don't seem to object to all minimum wage increases, they just think $15 is too high for this or that reason. Often stupid ones.
Just have Ludergran-Grimes say she's a republican now, it's true enough
so it sounds to me like you're saying she thinks $15 an hour is too high for federal minimum wage?
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"If the bill becomes law, the appointment to fill a vacancy will be selected from a list of three names submitted by the state executive committee of the same political party as the senator who held the vacant seat."
So the Governor would have to pick between three people the Republican Party nominates for the position, and chances are they'll just pick the top three from McConnell's list.
I would not be shocked if a few others voted no on purely procedural grounds. "This is not the way things are supposed to be done in the Senate" think a lot of Senators who are worthless idiots.
Based on what?
You literally just posted evidence suggesting the opposite.
She used to be pretty liberal. Anti war protester etc. Once she started getting near to some real power she took a right wing turn. And wound uo pulling shit like voting with Trump more often than not.
Power corrupts, its just rare to see it so blatant and unnecessarily.
"We should raise the minimum wage but I think $15 is too high, how about $11 (or some other number) instead?" is a perfectly coherent position. It's what other Senators have already said too.
I really don't think this stuff is that hard to fathom, even if you disagree with it.
Coherency is not credibility
Now that she can actually prevent it, she's doing so, while citing the figure as excessive to avoid being painted as a hypocrite.
EDIT: This goes to Manchin too. I strongly suspect that if an $11 amendment were proposed, they would both find a different rationalization for why they would not support it.
it's incoherent. I believe they mean it, and I understand what they mean. that's not what coherence is.
Never fucking mind that the two of them could get together and co sponsor an amendment at a number/scale/mechanism they would support if they actually gave a fuck.
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If you can get them on board to lock that to cost of living increases it would at least be a starting point and then you could press for more later.