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US Immigration Policy - I'd have a snarky subtitle but this shit isn't funny.

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Aim wrote: »
    Wapo reporting that the family detention centers are being changed into triage centers with the goal of screening and releasing migrant parents and children into the US within 72 hours.

    But are they handing a 7 year old a suitcase with $1 million in cash and keys to a house ("trash pickup is Wednesdays, and you got a lot of trees may want to check the gutters" "que??")?

    If not, no deal!

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    Look, that's completely unreasonable. Handing a 7 year old a 20-25 lb suitcase and NOT giving them a car or something to carry it is just cruel. That's a lot of weight for them to carry around in their hand.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Its weird to use this to pick an old fight

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Its weird to use this to pick an old fight

    It's news that continues a topic that was discussed, what, just a week ago? It's hardly as though people are bringing in old grudges out of context just to fight or something.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Aim wrote: »
    Wapo reporting that the family detention centers are being changed into triage centers with the goal of screening and releasing migrant parents and children into the US within 72 hours.

    But are they handing a 7 year old a suitcase with $1 million in cash and keys to a house ("trash pickup is Wednesdays, and you got a lot of trees may want to check the gutters" "que??")?

    If not, no deal!
    When I was a child going to Mexico to visit family, I'd see the shacks built from scrap metal and ply wood, stacked up and down hillsides (one that stands out is a valley a bridge crosses south of Tijuana).

    I know you're trying to do a thing to mock other forumers, but you're also mocking immigrants because they often come from some pretty awful conditions (not even including the detention centers) and things like a proper house (with walls, a ceiling, and a door that locks) with trash pick-up are actual huge luxuries that Americans take for granted.

    You don't like things that forumers say? Fine. But don't take it out on immigrants with collateral damage shit-talk.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Aim wrote: »
    Wapo reporting that the family detention centers are being changed into triage centers with the goal of screening and releasing migrant parents and children into the US within 72 hours.

    But are they handing a 7 year old a suitcase with $1 million in cash and keys to a house ("trash pickup is Wednesdays, and you got a lot of trees may want to check the gutters" "que??")?

    If not, no deal!
    When I was a child going to Mexico to visit family, I'd see the shacks built from scrap metal and ply wood, stacked up and down hillsides (one that stands out is a valley a bridge crosses south of Tijuana).

    I know you're trying to do a thing to mock other forumers, but you're also mocking immigrants because they often come from some pretty awful conditions (not even including the detention centers) and things like a proper house (with walls, a ceiling, and a door that locks) with trash pick-up are actual huge luxuries that Americans take for granted.

    You don't like things that forumers say? Fine. But don't take it out on immigrants with collateral damage shit-talk.

    I am super not catching the connection here on how the quoted post is mocking immigrants or the conditions they came from.

    Honestly, it's OK if you don't explain deeper, presumably others get what you're saying, just... I don't.

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Sarcasm and satire that targets compassionate viewpoints is bad.

  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    I think you are reaching pretty hard for some outrage there. I mean, I drive by shacks like those here where I am on a daily basis. It could definitely be seen as something insensitive if said people were reading this forum (I can just about guarantee few if any of them are), but hardly mocking them.

    That being said, and to make this post far more productive, I do think that one of the best things the US could do to help stem the tide of immigration would be pouring a ton of money into helping build better housing/infrastructure and some real major law enforcement assistance. Where I am now, aside from those shacks, this country already has the military helping to patrol (it was a little unnerving at first to have groups of 4 soldiers with M4/M16's and what appears to be a M249 walking through residential areas, but sadly you get used to it). We also don't even have enough water capacity to run water to all the people 24/7. I have 3 days a week where we get water service. I'm fortunate, I make enough that I have a house with a cistern and a pump, so unless we go crazy, we can still have running water the days we don't have water service. A LOT of folks are lucky if they have a few 55 gallon water drums they use for things like bathing and flushing toilets, and those are people with actual houses.

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Henroid wrote: »
    Sarcasm and satire that targets compassionate viewpoints is bad.

    Personally, I don't see it as 'attacking compassionate viewpoints', but the sort of endless back and forths these threads have gone through where it has sometimes felt like there is always another depth to which the situation will go, no matter what.

    Which, to be fair, US Immigration is such a clusterfuck (and has been for so long) that it's likely the case!

    But it's hard to see even something that could be tepidly referred to as kinda sorta maybe slightly good news and not think 'boy, I can't wait to hear how this is actually the worst thing ever.'

    On an old Magic: the Gathering forum I used to post on, there was a saying that "WOTC could put a fresh $20 bill in every booster pack, and some would complain based on how they were folded."

    Maybe that is WILDLY unfair, and I'm sure a few (you know who you are) are prepared to tell me how that's an ignorant viewpoint that does a massive disservice to many peoples, and is indicative of just so many character flaws and privilege so vast it might as well be considered a minor super power, but at the risk of being pilloried, it's also kinda where I am.

    No silver lining is so bright that one cannot find a cloud for it. No action fast enough (sometimes simultaneously too fast, as well), no improvement broad enough, no method of stepping back from the previous horror show that cannot be seen as failing in some capacity.

    And it's a subforum for Debating of topics! Discoursing upon them, even! But the tone on certain topics (often bleak and unpleasant ones!) feels like a rush to push up our glasses (figurative as they may be) and set the record straight on just how awful it all is, no more awful, no keep going, you're not going far enough, here lets really lay it out in excruciating detail.

    But I'm also just some random asshole from another country. I care about friends and family in the US. I care about humanitarian crises on the border, I empathize with those striving for a better life and the last half decade being a particularly dark period of the US's history on that matter.

    So feel free to ignore me if you see fit. Or go with the pillorying, but it'd also kind of prove my point.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

    We argued there were more humane and dignified ways to house immigrants than camps with dubious histories, but because we disagreed with the policy set by a favored political administration, our point of view is considered worth only scorn and derision apparently.

    Makes you feel real welcome, especially when you’ve been a member of this community for over a decade

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

    We argued there were more humane and dignified ways to house immigrants than camps with dubious histories, but because we disagreed with the policy set by a favored political administration, our point of view is considered worth only scorn and derision apparently.

    Makes you feel real welcome, especially when you’ve been a member of this community for over a decade

    This is absolutely NOT what happened, on either side. The constant refusal to accept ANYTHING said by anyone that might be mildly approving of anything the US has done has been a real drain. That being said, the "mocking" was a light jab at one of the more extreme "proposals" set forth. Immigration is a topic VERY near and dear to a number of people's hearts, on both sides (and I'm not including the side that looks at immigrants as subhuman, fuck those guys). The amount of refusal to acknowledge ANYTHING said by the other side is just more of the "perfect being the enemy of the good" disease that affects progressives/leftists.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

    We argued there were more humane and dignified ways to house immigrants than camps with dubious histories, but because we disagreed with the policy set by a favored political administration, our point of view is considered worth only scorn and derision apparently.

    Makes you feel real welcome, especially when you’ve been a member of this community for over a decade

    No one was treating you with derision or scorn. They were mocking the “plan” of “give all immigrants a house and a million dollars”.

    You told people yesterday “it’s not always about you”, the same advice seems applicable here as well.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

    We argued there were more humane and dignified ways to house immigrants than camps with dubious histories, but because we disagreed with the policy set by a favored political administration, our point of view is considered worth only scorn and derision apparently.

    Makes you feel real welcome, especially when you’ve been a member of this community for over a decade

    Well, I was also personally called a supporter of child abuse because my outrage wasn't outrage-y enough, so y'know, I wouldn't quite describe it like you have, but whatever.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    The level of emotion in this thread does not allow for satire.

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2021
    On further thought, I'm reminded of some articles I've read regarding climate change, wherein they found that while informing people on the matter was important, there was a fine line, wherein if people went from recognizing the problem, to feeling that it was hopeless and impossible to fix, it was actively counter productive in some ways.

    And I can't help but feel that this thread might see that somewhat as well, and perhaps several others.

    While us D&D regulars are no strangers to pedantry and really getting into the weeds, I've felt that in some conversations and topics, especially over the last few years, the line was getting particularly blurry.

    Like, there are forumers in this very topic whom I consider intelligent, informed, and passionate people. They are also absolutely insufferable on certain topics, to the point that I generally strive to avoid engaging them at all, because it's generally just a mess (and they also usually have a bunch of other running word battles going on in a given thread, so one less isn't going to be missed).

    These are even people that I'm ostensibly in agreement with! But how they comport themselves is so deeply grating that it's a challenge to align with how they express that.

    Which I'm sure a few are bringing up hackles and are going to call me out for tone policing (I legit had second thoughts about even using the word tone in the previous post), but nothing of the sort. I'm not naming names, or shaming. I'm free to engage or not as I see fit, and as I said, I generally choose not to, and I'm sure none of our lives are much poorer for it.

    But the basic notion keeps bouncing around my head. Is that a reason to lie to ourselves and one another and proclaim that the sky is full of puppies and rainbows and rainbow puppies? No. But is it possible, just maybe, that at times we lose sight of having actual conversations in good faith with both sides generally in agreement but minor discrepancies in the particulars or how one might get from A to B to C?

    Do mods really need to come in and yell at us to settle down on the regular because the left and the lefter can't get along, while the right are busy trying to actually go full Mustache Twirling Evil?

    Again, to be taken or ignored as one sees fit. I dare say that the vast majority of the folks in these threads are fine sorts whom I'd happily sit down with for lunch or a game or something, but how we communicate is something that is occasionally a struggle, and as an outsider watching siblings bicker, I'm not sure how to do anything but hope it doesn't take thread kicks/bans to sort some of this out (such as it were, it's not like some of these rivalries are exclusive to a particular thread either).

    Anyways, circling back to my original point, I don't know where that line is. To assess bleak and awful situations realistically, without getting caught in the endless 'nuh uh/uh huh' of whether or not this particular shade of grey is truly legit a hair darker or lighter than another perceives it to be.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    I mean there's more than one post for the idea. At what point is satire not satire and just off-topic?

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    I mean there's more than one post for the idea. At what point is satire not satire and just off-topic?

    Was there?

    I replied in regards to it making me think about reparations for those who’ve suffered through our blatantly white supremacist immigration system, and that discussion went for a few pages; But it wasn’t as far as I remember a bunch of posts about “a house and a million dollars” (though we noted such a reparation program would have a price tag far surpassing millions given the generations and numbers of the populace affected)

    The reparations discussion was definitely serious given the history of US immigration law as a tool to enforce a white majority and it’s supremacy

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    I mean there's more than one post for the idea. At what point is satire not satire and just off-topic?

    Was there?

    I replied in regards to it making me think about reparations for those who’ve suffered through our blatantly white supremacist immigration system. But it wasn’t as far as I remember a bunch of posts about “a house and a million dollars” (though we noted such a reparation program would have a price tag far surpassing millions given the generations and numbers of the populace affected)

    The reparations discussion we definitely serious given the history of US immigration law as a tool to enforce a white majority and it’s supremacy

    Tal at least posted about it a couple of times. Regardless, not important. Sarcasm was treated with sarcasm and we can all move on without our feelings hurt.

    Reparations, imo, is completely different, and I agree, serious. Pretty sure we were both on the same page with that iirc.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    So aaaaanyways, I'm really curious to see how this system of 72 hour max clearance centers works out.

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    I mean there's more than one post for the idea. At what point is satire not satire and just off-topic?

    Was there?

    I replied in regards to it making me think about reparations for those who’ve suffered through our blatantly white supremacist immigration system. But it wasn’t as far as I remember a bunch of posts about “a house and a million dollars” (though we noted such a reparation program would have a price tag far surpassing millions given the generations and numbers of the populace affected)

    The reparations discussion we definitely serious given the history of US immigration law as a tool to enforce a white majority and it’s supremacy

    Tal at least posted about it a couple of times. Regardless, not important. Sarcasm was treated with sarcasm and we can all move on without our feelings hurt.

    Reparations, imo, is completely different, and I agree, serious. Pretty sure we were both on the same page with that iirc.

    Double checking for the record, the house and a million dollars post was -Tal’s last post in here; she didn’t post here after that one; she seemed fairly disgusted with the situation going by the two posts

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    I mean there's more than one post for the idea. At what point is satire not satire and just off-topic?

    Was there?

    I replied in regards to it making me think about reparations for those who’ve suffered through our blatantly white supremacist immigration system. But it wasn’t as far as I remember a bunch of posts about “a house and a million dollars” (though we noted such a reparation program would have a price tag far surpassing millions given the generations and numbers of the populace affected)

    The reparations discussion we definitely serious given the history of US immigration law as a tool to enforce a white majority and it’s supremacy

    Tal at least posted about it a couple of times. Regardless, not important. Sarcasm was treated with sarcasm and we can all move on without our feelings hurt.

    Reparations, imo, is completely different, and I agree, serious. Pretty sure we were both on the same page with that iirc.

    Double checking for the record, the house and a million dollars post was -Tal’s last post in here; she didn’t post here after that one; she seemed fairly disgusted with the situation going by the two posts

    (You're missing the third one saying it was a serious suggestion)

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  • SmrtnikSmrtnik job boli zub Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Smrtnik wrote: »
    Aim wrote: »
    Wapo reporting that the family detention centers are being changed into triage centers with the goal of screening and releasing migrant parents and children into the US within 72 hours.

    But are they handing a 7 year old a suitcase with $1 million in cash and keys to a house ("trash pickup is Wednesdays, and you got a lot of trees may want to check the gutters" "que??")?

    If not, no deal!
    When I was a child going to Mexico to visit family, I'd see the shacks built from scrap metal and ply wood, stacked up and down hillsides (one that stands out is a valley a bridge crosses south of Tijuana).

    I know you're trying to do a thing to mock other forumers, but you're also mocking immigrants because they often come from some pretty awful conditions (not even including the detention centers) and things like a proper house (with walls, a ceiling, and a door that locks) with trash pick-up are actual huge luxuries that Americans take for granted.

    You don't like things that forumers say? Fine. But don't take it out on immigrants with collateral damage shit-talk.

    I'm a fist generation immigrant who was given a mattress and a loan for first month rent and plane ticket that had to be repaid but nice try.

    I don't mock immigrants but the goosery of someone thinking a minor should live alone in a house and a million bucks. What could go wrong?

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    There was a specific situation where someone said that giving a house and a million dollars to each child was a good idea. That's what everyone's going on about.

    That was -Tal, on the first page in reply to something No Quarter said, which seemed to be hyperbolic to express disgust with the detainment system.

    So basically then satire against, essentially, something meant as a satirical point (at its most serious you could argue that her point was that a house and one million dollars is sufficient recompense for having to suffer through our immigrant detainment system)

    I mean there's more than one post for the idea. At what point is satire not satire and just off-topic?

    Was there?

    I replied in regards to it making me think about reparations for those who’ve suffered through our blatantly white supremacist immigration system. But it wasn’t as far as I remember a bunch of posts about “a house and a million dollars” (though we noted such a reparation program would have a price tag far surpassing millions given the generations and numbers of the populace affected)

    The reparations discussion we definitely serious given the history of US immigration law as a tool to enforce a white majority and it’s supremacy

    Tal at least posted about it a couple of times. Regardless, not important. Sarcasm was treated with sarcasm and we can all move on without our feelings hurt.

    Reparations, imo, is completely different, and I agree, serious. Pretty sure we were both on the same page with that iirc.

    Double checking for the record, the house and a million dollars post was -Tal’s last post in here; she didn’t post here after that one; she seemed fairly disgusted with the situation going by the two posts

    (You're missing the third one saying it was a serious suggestion)

    Your right, missed that one, but I think that’s her taking the piss out of the whole situation:
    -Tal wrote: »
    Marathon wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    biden should live in the child prison if it's so cool

    Contextless hot takes are fun, but we already did this dance for a few pages.

    Whats your plan for unaccompanied minors coming across the border?

    give them a house and million dollars

    Ok, what serious plan do you have for this situation?

    that is a very serious plan and much better than 25% more humane prisons, i assure you

    Given her first post, I got the sense she had no patience with any defense of the administration’s policy of reopening the camp to begin with. So every post was basically derision at what she felt was a morally untenable position.

    Or at least that’s my read

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Meanwhile, Gregg Abbott is a monster who is basically trying to blame the upcoming COVID surge from his stupid ass policies on innocent immigrants. Because he is a literally evil human being


    The Biden Administration is recklessly releasing hundreds of illegal immigrants who have COVID into Texas communities.

    The Biden Admin. must IMMEDIATELY end this callous act that exposes Texans & Americans to COVID.

    Gregg Abbot is the cartoonishly evil governor of Texas, to every Texas resident’s misfortune

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Covering his ass or harbinger of a presidential run?

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    It's kind of hard not to look at that kind of action and see it as sort of a "fuck you and your decreasing case and death rates" (as a collective nation), and just callously opening the floodgates. It's not like their voters seem to care if they get thrown to the wolves, a good portion are eager to vote for the 'throwing us to the wolves' plank of the party platform, so why not?

    Yeah, yeah, I know, usual mix of hatred and bigotry and othering and 'isms.

    But sure, as we all hold our collective breaths regarding the response existing known variants have to the vaccines, let's see a bunch of people filling up bars and roll those dice some more. Coolcoolcool....

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

    We argued there were more humane and dignified ways to house immigrants than camps with dubious histories, but because we disagreed with the policy set by a favored political administration, our point of view is considered worth only scorn and derision apparently.

    Makes you feel real welcome, especially when you’ve been a member of this community for over a decade

    Well, I was also personally called a supporter of child abuse because my outrage wasn't outrage-y enough, so y'know, I wouldn't quite describe it like you have, but whatever.
    were you the person who wanted the children to be caged together so they wouldn't get lonely

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    edited March 2021
    Elendil wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Doodmann wrote: »
    I can't tell if people are being sarcastic here what the point of that sarcasm is and that means they're doing a bad sarcasm.

    We argued there were more humane and dignified ways to house immigrants than camps with dubious histories, but because we disagreed with the policy set by a favored political administration, our point of view is considered worth only scorn and derision apparently.

    Makes you feel real welcome, especially when you’ve been a member of this community for over a decade

    Well, I was also personally called a supporter of child abuse because my outrage wasn't outrage-y enough, so y'know, I wouldn't quite describe it like you have, but whatever.
    were you the person who wanted the children to be caged together so they wouldn't get lonely

    I bet you 100 internet points no one on this forum said that

    Edit: also come on here, no one should think that this is a constructive post. Why would you even come in here saying this, what's your goal?

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Covering his ass or harbinger of a presidential run?

    Almost definitely ass coverage

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Covering his ass or harbinger of a presidential run?

    Almost definitely ass coverage

    And he gets his racist jollies off.

    Two-fer!

  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
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    Forar wrote: »
    It's kind of hard not to look at that kind of action and see it as sort of a "fuck you and your decreasing case and death rates" (as a collective nation), and just callously opening the floodgates. It's not like their voters seem to care if they get thrown to the wolves, a good portion are eager to vote for the 'throwing us to the wolves' plank of the party platform, so why not?

    Yeah, yeah, I know, usual mix of hatred and bigotry and othering and 'isms.

    But sure, as we all hold our collective breaths regarding the response existing known variants have to the vaccines, let's see a bunch of people filling up bars and roll those dice some more. Coolcoolcool....

    Reminder that Texas is gerrymandered and voter restricted to hell and back. A functional democracy it is not.

    So Abbott only has to play to a very narrow base, because they’ve already made sure anyone else not primed for this bigoted bullshit won’t have a voice.

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  • RobinSm89RobinSm89 Hello! USARegistered User new member
    Lanz wrote: »
    Meanwhile, Gregg Abbott is a monster who is basically trying to blame the upcoming COVID surge from his stupid ass policies on innocent immigrants. Because he is a literally evil human being

    The Biden Administration is recklessly releasing hundreds of illegal immigrants who have COVID into Texas communities.

    The Biden Admin. must IMMEDIATELY end this callous act that exposes Texans & Americans to COVID.

    Gregg Abbot is the cartoonishly evil governor of Texas, to every Texas resident’s misfortune

    It seems to me that this is already some kind of surrealism.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/border-surge-biden-crisis/2021/03/05/d0933282-7db8-11eb-b0fc-83144c02d676_story.html

    It looks like the Biden Admin will be using hotels after all! Just not for unaccompanied minors.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I fucking hate the phrasing in that article. "The measures they have taken are aimed accommodating the increase, not to contain it or change the upward trend." CONTAIN it? It's not a fucking disease, Nick Miroff, writer of the article.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    I fucking hate the phrasing in that article. "The measures they have taken are aimed accommodating the increase, not to contain it or change the upward trend." CONTAIN it? It's not a fucking disease, Nick Miroff, writer of the article.

    Oh yes, the phrasing of that article is fucking infuriating.

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