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It’s kind of funny how little time the movie has for the dumb shit about Blofeld being his adopted brother from the last one. Or for Spectre in general. Just, welp, all dead never mind carry on.
Lashana Lynch is good but doesn’t have enough to do. Jeffrey Wright gets a decent couple of scenes. The action is good, especially the staircase scene at the end. Ana de Armas is lots of fun and her dress is ridiculous.
I laughed at the Book of Mormon line.
Major spoilers.
Him dying feels incredibly weird. Giving Bond continuity has always felt off, unless it’s very minor and deep in the background. This is the series that simply doesn’t care about such things.
Trying to make it into something else, a proper dramatic series with a beginning, middle and end, is strange, because this is the most deliberately weightless series of films ever made. They’re formulaic by design and changing the leading man isn’t even acknowledged. Why bother killing him when we know he’ll be back in a couple of years?
I can only imagine they’re going to clear the decks entirely and start afresh with a whole new cast. They don’t have to, Judi Dench stayed on even though Craig’s Bond was newly promoted and not the same guy as Brosnan, but it’d be weird having Naomie Harris be hey aren’t you dead to Henry Cavill or whomever when he takes over.
I hope they don’t do this again and make a Bond’s tenure a self contained thing. It’s an interesting way to look at it but I’m not sure it works for him. Are they going to do another origin movie for the next one like Casino Royale?
Shakespearean dialogue is weird. What is impenetrable on the page becomes completely natural when performed by good actors.
Shakespeare was not made to be read but to be performed.
... because it's hard to see all the wink-wink-nudge-nudge on the printed page.
High School classes tend to ignore just how much of it is dick jokes
I forget which scene of which play, but in middle school we were asked to perform a scene of our choosing. We did not ignore the dick jokes. The teacher was... not amused.
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We're rewatching the Daniel Craig Bond movies. I really like the bit in QoS where
Mathis is stuffed into a car boot, just like he did to Le Chiffre's goon in the last movie. Felt like the neatest, tidy little sequel moment. His death scene and unceremonious dumpster funeral is very good.
We're rewatching the Daniel Craig Bond movies. I really like the bit in QoS where
Mathis is stuffed into a car boot, just like he did to Le Chiffre's goon in the last movie. Felt like the neatest, tidy little sequel moment. His death scene and unceremonious dumpster funeral is very good.
It's one of the best moments in the movie. Really kinda sums up the whole mood.
What's the difference between an Action movie and an Action Adventure? Aren't all Action movies adventures with their big set pieces and stunts? Or does Action Adventure imply there's a deep story in the movie so John Wick or Predator wouldn't qualify?
What's the difference between an Action movie and an Action Adventure? Aren't all Action movies adventures with their big set pieces and stunts? Or does Action Adventure imply there's a deep story in the movie so John Wick or Predator wouldn't qualify?
I tend to assume that Action Adventure is a bit more roaming? Like a DnD party bouncing around the world type thing.
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Action Adventure is a journey, peko. Action is more broad and usually a thing like ptew ptews, fisticuffs, fighting with your zanpakuto, or a hotshot cop taking matters into his own hands.
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Action is Die Hard, Action Adventure is Indiana Jones.
I always think of Action is an R rated movie, action adventure is usually pg 13. Like Indiana Jones is an action adventure, Cobra is an action movie.
Mm. That makes it sound like it's a marketing trick to signal that a movie is more family-friendly. And I can think of plenty of exceptions. Blade (R), for example, could fit comfortably under Action or Action Adventure.
I always think of Action is an R rated movie, action adventure is usually pg 13. Like Indiana Jones is an action adventure, Cobra is an action movie.
Mm. That makes it sound like it's a marketing trick to signal that a movie is more family-friendly. And I can think of plenty of exceptions. Blade (R), for example, could fit comfortably under Action or Action Adventure.
Eh if you can't see the difference between the Goonies, Raiders of the Lost Ark vs Die Hard and let's say The Fugitive I don't know what to say.
I guess another way to put it is to say that in action adventure movies the change of setting is inherently important?
And a movie that straddles these two genres is your run of the mill Bond film
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I always think of Action is an R rated movie, action adventure is usually pg 13. Like Indiana Jones is an action adventure, Cobra is an action movie.
Mm. That makes it sound like it's a marketing trick to signal that a movie is more family-friendly. And I can think of plenty of exceptions. Blade (R), for example, could fit comfortably under Action or Action Adventure.
Eh if you can't see the difference between the Goonies, Raiders of the Lost Ark vs Die Hard and let's say The Fugitive I don't know what to say.
I guess another way to put it is to say that in action adventure movies the change of setting is inherently important?
And a movie that straddles these two genres is your run of the mill Bond film
... I don't know where I'd put The Fugitive. Action Adventure? Action ... Thriller? It's definitely not an Action movie.
I always think of Action is an R rated movie, action adventure is usually pg 13. Like Indiana Jones is an action adventure, Cobra is an action movie.
Mm. That makes it sound like it's a marketing trick to signal that a movie is more family-friendly. And I can think of plenty of exceptions. Blade (R), for example, could fit comfortably under Action or Action Adventure.
Eh if you can't see the difference between the Goonies, Raiders of the Lost Ark vs Die Hard and let's say The Fugitive I don't know what to say.
I guess another way to put it is to say that in action adventure movies the change of setting is inherently important?
And a movie that straddles these two genres is your run of the mill Bond film
... I don't know where I'd put The Fugitive. Action Adventure? Action ... Thriller? It's definitely not an Action movie.
Tbf Thriller is a better label for it, but I'm fairly pie faced and I was trying to think of a movie we hadn't mentioned as an example.
John Wick maybe?
The first one specifically, where exploring it's world was mostly a surface deep affair. The third one started leaning up on action adventure almost
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Pirates of the Caribbean is definitely action adventure, probably the purest distillation of the genre in modern times.
In action adventure movies, no one is ever in serious danger, except for the bad guys. Despite all the threats of danger, you know they are going to make it through safely, somehow.
In action movies, supporting characters can and will die in order to provide motivation to the protagonist.
In action adventure movies, no one is ever in serious danger, except for the bad guys. Despite all the threats of danger, you know they are going to make it through safely, somehow.
In action movies, supporting characters can and will die in order to provide motivation to the protagonist.
Following those shaky guidelines, Serenity is an Action movie and Die Hard is an Action Adventure.
Very cute, though a bit ham fisted at points. Some of the references to popular streamers flew over my head, but some other references to classic tropes I’m sure flew over others heads.
Overall I would put it as a recommended movie for free streaming.
Maybe it's a ratio of action scenes to total running time that separates Action from Action Adventure.
Avatar is 20% action scenes and 80% talking/exploring the alien world so it's Action Adventure whereas Commando is 60% action scenes and 40% talking/delivering one-liners so it's Action.
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Maybe it's a ratio of action scenes to total running time that separates Action from Action Adventure.
Avatar is 20% action scenes and 80% talking/exploring the alien world so it's Action Adventure whereas Commando is 60% action scenes and 40% talking/delivering one-liners so it's Action.
I would also say that Avatar exists in a setting and Commando exists in scenes that provide Ahnold entertaining ways to kill people.
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In action adventure movies, no one is ever in serious danger, except for the bad guys. Despite all the threats of danger, you know they are going to make it through safely, somehow.
In action movies, supporting characters can and will die in order to provide motivation to the protagonist.
Following those shaky guidelines, Serenity is an Action movie and Die Hard is an Action Adventure.
In action adventure movies, no one is ever in serious danger, except for the bad guys. Despite all the threats of danger, you know they are going to make it through safely, somehow.
In action movies, supporting characters can and will die in order to provide motivation to the protagonist.
Following those shaky guidelines, Serenity is an Action movie and Die Hard is an Action Adventure.
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I'd suggest that the difference between action and action-adventure has at least something to do with the source of the peril in the movie. Indiana Jones spends a lot less time being shot at than he does getting in trouble with cliffs, boulders, ancient traps, quicksand, snakes and spiders, etc. People (even just a single Nazi officer) pulling guns on Indy tends to be a big deal. By contrast, Stallone's characters, or John McClane, are constantly being shot at by entire platoons of guys but it would be really weird to see them caught in quicksand.
What I think this boils down to is tone, and intended effect on the audience. Adventure movies are supposed to thrill you; they're frequently compared to rollercoaster rides. Our hero has to run, jump, climb, snowboard etc their way to safety and the visceral speed, the sight of scary animals, and so forth give the audience safe, fun, upbeat thrills. By contrast, I think the frequent endgame of the action movie is power fantasy; whereas Indiana Jones or Brendan Fraser Mummy Guy are likeable, relatable "ordinary" (not really ordinary but movie-ordinary) guys trying to survive extraordinary circumstances through luck, pluck, and the skin of their teeth, action heroes are hyper-competent wish-fulfillment figures (kung fu guys, muscle men, etc) doing violence to bad people we don't like. That can get fraught and easily go to a dark place where hyper-competent becomes hyper-macho and gross, and where "people we don't like" can include minorities and foreigners, but it doesn't have to; the bad guys can be Alan Rickman's slimy urbane bank robber or Fury Road's misogynist tribesmen, or whatever. The point is that the thrill comes from seeing a good person not just overcome or escape but punish and destroy all the loathsome opposition arrayed against them.
Obviously this is all a spectrum and the lines aren't always very clear-cut. I think most people would call Die Hard, for instance, more of an action movie than an adventure but at the same time it was really innovative in having a protagonist who was more human and vulnerable, more of an everyman relatably freaking out at the shit happening around him, than other action movies of the time.
Romancing the Stone is an excellent movie, if you haven't seen it. A hopeless romantic and romance writer gets involved in a sinister conspiracy to get hold of a priceless jewel in South America, meets a roguish adventurer with a cool name who isn't entirely trustworthy, is chased by Danny DeVito and the local secret police, falls off a waterfall, finds her inner strength, etc.
Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas have mad chemistry, the film has great fun with Douglas undercutting all the romantic ideals Turner has for him while remaining charming and funny, a crucial trick. Turner's character arc is complete and satisfying, and wisely the movie doesn't let Douglas horn in and make the movie about him instead.
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Saw The Haunt yesterday on Google Play/Movies & Music/YouTube.
Worth it for the creative set design of the house and the performance of the actors.
Think this is all spoiled in reviews, but
I really liked how they started by building a regular lame jump scare house before starting the real horror. That's exactly how you'd do it. Though I don't know if this was intended to catch just them? They printed flyers but were they used?
Of course the movie requires the characters to be a little dumb in order to advance the plot, but actors pulled it off very well.
If nothing else, Google The Haunt movie; it's got some nice scores.
Holy shit, that movie The Guilty that just starting streaming on Netflix might be one of the dumbest/most tone deaf movies I've seen in some time. I know it's a remake and all but...
trying to generate some semblance of pathos for a shithead cop that is on desk duty for straight up murdering a 19 yo boy for no reason was....a choice...
Arguably, many of the superhero films of the last two decades would also not fare altogether well if they were judged as action movies. It's changed a bit, but for most of the MCU the action worked because the characters did, not because these films had good, well directed/choreographed action scenes.
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Romancing the Stone is an excellent movie, if you haven't seen it. A hopeless romantic and romance writer gets involved in a sinister conspiracy to get hold of a priceless jewel in South America, meets a roguish adventurer with a cool name who isn't entirely trustworthy, is chased by Danny DeVito and the local secret police, falls off a waterfall, finds her inner strength, etc.
Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas have mad chemistry, the film has great fun with Douglas undercutting all the romantic ideals Turner has for him while remaining charming and funny, a crucial trick. Turner's character arc is complete and satisfying, and wisely the movie doesn't let Douglas horn in and make the movie about him instead.
It's just a lot of fun.
So I have never seen it. And uh the reason why is a little insight into my upbringing. In high school, some girlfriends and I had a slumber party. Probably Junior year because two of the group had cars. This was the movie we were going to watch. Cue the mudslide scene which involves Michael Douglas's face and Kathleen Turner's crotch accidentally colliding. Welp. Friend's mom immediately turned off the movie because she was not going to condone such trash, and if that happened already, what other lurid horrors awaited in the rest of the movie! And I never sat down to watch it as an adult because I always forget it exists.
Adventure, because it's the same as going to an amusement park.
Kinda, but I think it’s more of a sliding scale. Captain America: The First Avenger is action adventure, while The Dark Knight is more straight action.
Edit: going any further might should go in their respective topics.
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Holy shit, that movie The Guilty that just starting streaming on Netflix might be one of the dumbest/most tone deaf movies I've seen in some time. I know it's a remake and all but...
trying to generate some semblance of pathos for a shithead cop that is on desk duty for straight up murdering a 19 yo boy for no reason was....a choice...
I've only seen the original, not the remake, but I don't see the big deal.
There's nothing wrong with generating pathos for horrible characters. It's not like we're only allowed to tell emotional stories about good people. Some of the greatest works of art of all time, like Macbeth, are mostly about pathos for horrible people.
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Romancing the Stone is an excellent movie, if you haven't seen it. A hopeless romantic and romance writer gets involved in a sinister conspiracy to get hold of a priceless jewel in South America, meets a roguish adventurer with a cool name who isn't entirely trustworthy, is chased by Danny DeVito and the local secret police, falls off a waterfall, finds her inner strength, etc.
Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas have mad chemistry, the film has great fun with Douglas undercutting all the romantic ideals Turner has for him while remaining charming and funny, a crucial trick. Turner's character arc is complete and satisfying, and wisely the movie doesn't let Douglas horn in and make the movie about him instead.
It's just a lot of fun.
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That means I actually have to travel into NYC. Meh.
Is it actually worth seeing in IMAX? Anyone who's seen it and in that way: Is it worth it?
I laughed at the Book of Mormon line.
Major spoilers.
Trying to make it into something else, a proper dramatic series with a beginning, middle and end, is strange, because this is the most deliberately weightless series of films ever made. They’re formulaic by design and changing the leading man isn’t even acknowledged. Why bother killing him when we know he’ll be back in a couple of years?
I can only imagine they’re going to clear the decks entirely and start afresh with a whole new cast. They don’t have to, Judi Dench stayed on even though Craig’s Bond was newly promoted and not the same guy as Brosnan, but it’d be weird having Naomie Harris be hey aren’t you dead to Henry Cavill or whomever when he takes over.
I hope they don’t do this again and make a Bond’s tenure a self contained thing. It’s an interesting way to look at it but I’m not sure it works for him. Are they going to do another origin movie for the next one like Casino Royale?
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It's one of the best moments in the movie. Really kinda sums up the whole mood.
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I tend to assume that Action Adventure is a bit more roaming? Like a DnD party bouncing around the world type thing.
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Mm. That makes it sound like it's a marketing trick to signal that a movie is more family-friendly. And I can think of plenty of exceptions. Blade (R), for example, could fit comfortably under Action or Action Adventure.
Eh if you can't see the difference between the Goonies, Raiders of the Lost Ark vs Die Hard and let's say The Fugitive I don't know what to say.
I guess another way to put it is to say that in action adventure movies the change of setting is inherently important?
And a movie that straddles these two genres is your run of the mill Bond film
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... I don't know where I'd put The Fugitive. Action Adventure? Action ... Thriller? It's definitely not an Action movie.
Tbf Thriller is a better label for it, but I'm fairly pie faced and I was trying to think of a movie we hadn't mentioned as an example.
John Wick maybe?
The first one specifically, where exploring it's world was mostly a surface deep affair. The third one started leaning up on action adventure almost
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In action movies, supporting characters can and will die in order to provide motivation to the protagonist.
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Following those shaky guidelines, Serenity is an Action movie and Die Hard is an Action Adventure.
Very cute, though a bit ham fisted at points. Some of the references to popular streamers flew over my head, but some other references to classic tropes I’m sure flew over others heads.
Overall I would put it as a recommended movie for free streaming.
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Avatar is 20% action scenes and 80% talking/exploring the alien world so it's Action Adventure whereas Commando is 60% action scenes and 40% talking/delivering one-liners so it's Action.
I would also say that Avatar exists in a setting and Commando exists in scenes that provide Ahnold entertaining ways to kill people.
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What I think this boils down to is tone, and intended effect on the audience. Adventure movies are supposed to thrill you; they're frequently compared to rollercoaster rides. Our hero has to run, jump, climb, snowboard etc their way to safety and the visceral speed, the sight of scary animals, and so forth give the audience safe, fun, upbeat thrills. By contrast, I think the frequent endgame of the action movie is power fantasy; whereas Indiana Jones or Brendan Fraser Mummy Guy are likeable, relatable "ordinary" (not really ordinary but movie-ordinary) guys trying to survive extraordinary circumstances through luck, pluck, and the skin of their teeth, action heroes are hyper-competent wish-fulfillment figures (kung fu guys, muscle men, etc) doing violence to bad people we don't like. That can get fraught and easily go to a dark place where hyper-competent becomes hyper-macho and gross, and where "people we don't like" can include minorities and foreigners, but it doesn't have to; the bad guys can be Alan Rickman's slimy urbane bank robber or Fury Road's misogynist tribesmen, or whatever. The point is that the thrill comes from seeing a good person not just overcome or escape but punish and destroy all the loathsome opposition arrayed against them.
Obviously this is all a spectrum and the lines aren't always very clear-cut. I think most people would call Die Hard, for instance, more of an action movie than an adventure but at the same time it was really innovative in having a protagonist who was more human and vulnerable, more of an everyman relatably freaking out at the shit happening around him, than other action movies of the time.
Exotic locales! Romance! Danger! Swinging across ravines! Gunplay! Amusing bad guys! Sinister bad guys! Treasure! Car chases! Dangerous fauna!
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Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas have mad chemistry, the film has great fun with Douglas undercutting all the romantic ideals Turner has for him while remaining charming and funny, a crucial trick. Turner's character arc is complete and satisfying, and wisely the movie doesn't let Douglas horn in and make the movie about him instead.
It's just a lot of fun.
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Worth it for the creative set design of the house and the performance of the actors.
Think this is all spoiled in reviews, but
Of course the movie requires the characters to be a little dumb in order to advance the plot, but actors pulled it off very well.
If nothing else, Google The Haunt movie; it's got some nice scores.
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So I have never seen it. And uh the reason why is a little insight into my upbringing. In high school, some girlfriends and I had a slumber party. Probably Junior year because two of the group had cars. This was the movie we were going to watch. Cue the mudslide scene which involves Michael Douglas's face and Kathleen Turner's crotch accidentally colliding. Welp. Friend's mom immediately turned off the movie because she was not going to condone such trash, and if that happened already, what other lurid horrors awaited in the rest of the movie! And I never sat down to watch it as an adult because I always forget it exists.
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Kinda, but I think it’s more of a sliding scale. Captain America: The First Avenger is action adventure, while The Dark Knight is more straight action.
Edit: going any further might should go in their respective topics.
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