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Not all mental health is outside of the users complete control. Many successful interventions are about breaking down the sufferers own barriers. Obviously many are biological problems, but not all are, and interventions can often still help produce a level of management. So like, you can't even just go "if its mental health, its biological" when saying "its more complicated" cos even that is more complicated.
It's more complicated all the way down.
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Hard word and practice creates skill, talent just makes it easier to build that skill. It's also what separates "geniuses" from other skilled people, though as many anime are keen to remind people even geniuses can get overtaken by skilled people who put in the work.
That said, I also think talent is something that helps people enjoy what they're doing more than someone without it, and may even be what gets them to try developing a skill in the first place.
Lies and damned lies. What gives some people a "head start" or a "training multiplier" on a specific skill development is health, motivation, transferable skills and lack of false belief about the skill and your ability to develop it, in that order. I could demonstrate this, but it's late and I have to get up in the morning tomorrow.
ADHD. QED.
(To be clear, this is an extreme example, but the idea that there are no differences arising from biology is nonsense. Not to mention plenty of other factors outside the individual's control)
One word: hyperfocus
Ain't nobody that can tunnel vision like someone with ADHD
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There is, for example, some interesting research in recidivist depression (people who keep getting depressed again after they come off the medications or other interventions) that indicates mindfulness meditation can be a powerful breaker of the negative cycle that is throwing them back down again after they get out. It's most useful specifically in cases where it keeps happening over and over. That doesn't mean all depression is curable with mindfulness meditation. Even in this case it wasn't a super strong finding, just above chance, but anything is better than nothing when you are trying to help people. It's just one more tool. But its a tool that doesn't depend on biological intervention.
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Not all mental health is outside of the users complete control. Many successful interventions are about breaking down the sufferers own barriers. Obviously many are biological problems, but not all are, and interventions can often still help produce a level of management. So like, you can't even just go "if its mental health, its biological" when saying "its more complicated" cos even that is more complicated.
It's more complicated all the way down.
Yes, but it's an easy area for me to approach this with. Mental health has factors outside of an individual's control, and the impact of that on someone's ability to apply themselves to self-improvement covers a broad spectrum. In combination, I feel it more than suffices to disprove the idea that "there is no such thing as talent", even if my argument is more about anti-talent.
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Right, but the very first statement made on this in this thread included the qualifiers of height and body size as obvious exceptions, and they aren't necessarily going to be the only ones. It's a statistical thing, so its based on averages.
But you would be absolutely gobsmacked, for example, how much your reflexes can be improved through practice, if you ever sat down to measure that properly.
Oh and everyone goes nuts about hyperfocus but I'm actually able to focus better on more tasks after I no longer have adhd. And since I saw both, I dunno about this whole hyperfocus thing. That's more like an inability to task switch away getting you stuck. That's how it felt to me, when I had it. I sure did hyperfocus a lot!
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Hard word and practice creates skill, talent just makes it easier to build that skill. It's also what separates "geniuses" from other skilled people, though as many anime are keen to remind people even geniuses can get overtaken by skilled people who put in the work.
That said, I also think talent is something that helps people enjoy what they're doing more than someone without it, and may even be what gets them to try developing a skill in the first place.
Lies and damned lies. What gives some people a "head start" or a "training multiplier" on a specific skill development is health, motivation, transferable skills and lack of false belief about the skill and your ability to develop it, in that order. I could demonstrate this, but it's late and I have to get up in the morning tomorrow.
ADHD. QED.
(To be clear, this is an extreme example, but the idea that there are no differences arising from biology is nonsense. Not to mention plenty of other factors outside the individual's control)
One word: hyperfocus
Ain't nobody that can tunnel vision like someone with ADHD
Yeah, I wasn't 100% sure about that, but ADHD kind of cuts both ways on it.
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edited April 2022
I also can't fully compare though, as I went through a lot of early childhood, teenage, and early adult development, so my brain is probably still setup like someone with ADHD, and now I suddenly don't have it. I've been noticing more and more changes occuring as time goes on, personality wise, focus wise, etc. But I can still switch effortlessly from topic to topic. I don't really like to self diagnose, but I'd be very surprised if my brain didn't have a lot of random connections between various things (concepts, ideas) as a result of the erratic method of development I likely went through.
My handwriting is also still absolutely awful. As in its just messy printing. I've never tried to fix it. I probably could if I tried, it's just not a big priority.
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"Growing out" of adhd isn't really a thing in most cases. Certainly not if you still have it as an older adult.
It was proper neurofeedback training, that I did around 3 years ago (I'm 40), after suffering for years with no diminishment of symptoms since childhood (if anything they'd been getting worse), and after training for 3 sessions a week for about six months my condition improved to no symptoms gradually and consistently over that time.
Claiming it just faded is a bit like saying people reach peak strength as they get older and that's why you can run a marathon now.
It's a real thing. It sadly doesn't work for all types of adhd, or for every patient, but it did for me, and extremely successfully.
It's a new treatment, but it shows a lot of promise. Just like every treatment for a complicated condition, its best used as a complement, but if you know anyone with ADHD, I would thoroughly recommend having a look into it. If it helps, it helps really well, in a way that medication or behavioral therapy simply can't. I think it's worth a go.
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The science of inbuilt nature vs nurture and such changes every five months.
Anyone who sells you on some hard science probably hasn't read the latest peer review that disproves whatever it is. Weirdly enough people are really bad at understanding people. Even scientifically.
As for talent, I think it's pretty obvious that such a concept exists. You have seven year olds that can do the egg drop physics experiment who haven't taken any sorts of classes that would help with that. While others can't even put together a Lego set. Hell a lot of adults can't do it.
It's not some insurmountable difference, it's simply a difference in the way people observe, process and store data. That seven year old wasn't some kind of math genius, they just saw someone catch a mug with their foot one time and then played with some rubber bands to understand why the glass didn't break. Which leads to being able to chuck an egg off a roof in a cage of qtips and rubber bands and it not breaking.
I think it's pretty important to realize everyone sees the world a little different. It isn't always useful to tell people they just have to try harder. It often might just be a bad approach that doesn't mesh with how they function. You can eventually just brute force it but you aren't going to get the same kind of returns.
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Purely "trying harder" is meaningless, as I said.
It has to be good quality practice, which naturally takes into account any individual circumstances, best learning, personality type, coach quality and information available if relevant, and so on. You can try as hard as you like but if you aren't practicing well, for you, you go nowhere.
I didn't say there wasn't any such thing as talent conclusively, its just that if there are, its absolutely dwarfed as a factor by good quality training. That finding is extremely robust and goes back decades. So Ericsson and colleagues, who have been in the field for a long time at the forefront of this research, he's a bit gungho about thinking its mostly not real, or even if it is, it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as people think. And that's all I said. Some of them don't think it is real. I didn't say, myself, it isn't real. I'm not sure if I really believe everything he likes to put down (he's a bit too certain for me), but I do think skill is way more is explainable by factors other than talent than we, as a culture, hell across many cultures, believe it is. Which isn't exactly an earth shattering surprise if it was the case. Humans turn out to be bad at casually figuring out how other humans work, news at 11. You know what we are good at? Telling little stories as explanations. Talent is a great story. That makes me distrust it more than anything else, how neat a story it is.
As an example of how to interpret this, your examples of the egg drop physics experiment vs the lego set, I'm willing to sit here and say if they had proper courses and training in how to do a lego set, and the motivation to sit there and do that, most of them would be able to eventually learn to do it proficiently. And ditto for the egg drop physics test. The idea is that whatever advantage is gained in initial aptitude is lost in comparision to good training, and the advantage only gets smaller the further along that path they go.
I'm not saying "will makes skill" that's clearly bullshit.
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I paid a lot of attention in my skill acquisition lecturers (since it applies to games) so whenever I watch an anime or read a manga and proudly proclaim x or y about talent one way or another its like I have a bunch of argumentative scientists suddenly light up in my head and tell me all the ways both sides are wrong I just want to watch my anime guys.
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I didn't say there wasn't any such thing as talent conclusively, its just that if there are, its absolutely dwarfed as a factor by good quality training.
My thought it, if the defense of talent existing is "if there are any physical/mental traits at all that are advantageous in any way, that's talent" then you might've just shot your own argument in the foot, because that is not what the generally understood meaning of talent is, nor what people were taking umbrage with at the start of this discussion.
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I didn't say there wasn't any such thing as talent conclusively, its just that if there are, its absolutely dwarfed as a factor by good quality training.
My thought it, if the defense of talent existing is "if there are any physical/mental traits at all that are advantageous in any way, that's talent" then you might've just shot your own argument in the foot, because that is not what the generally understood meaning of talent is, nor what people were taking umbrage with at the start of this discussion.
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Didn't Naruto and Sasuke basically become, like, the Gods of Ninjutsu at the end of Naruto?
Feels like they'd have to be arbitrarily powered down so that Boruto could have threats that wouldn't just immediately be taken care of by Naruto or Sasuke.
Sort of like how Saitama in One-Punch Man has to be a dumbass who gets lost for hours on end so that other fights can happen.
Watched the first Dance Dance Danseur. I like the dance animations, the eye style is distracting but I think I'd get over it. Unfortunately I think it might be a miss for me on the protaganist.
I get the basic setup of high schooler who dreams of ballet but worries about it not being masculine or whatever, but it also feels like it's going too far in that direction. Like I only did it cause of this girl bro.
Not sure I have the patience for the show if it takes it as long as it feels like it'll take it to get past that stuff. If it ever does.
Didn't Naruto and Sasuke basically become, like, the Gods of Ninjutsu at the end of Naruto?
Feels like they'd have to be arbitrarily powered down so that Boruto could have threats that wouldn't just immediately be taken care of by Naruto or Sasuke.
Can't speak to the anime, by the manga has done a good job of various threats and why they don't just get annihilated by Naruto and Sasuke
Didn't Naruto and Sasuke basically become, like, the Gods of Ninjutsu at the end of Naruto?
Feels like they'd have to be arbitrarily powered down so that Boruto could have threats that wouldn't just immediately be taken care of by Naruto or Sasuke.
Sort of like how Saitama in One-Punch Man has to be a dumbass who gets lost for hours on end so that other fights can happen.
Naruto had a pretty big nerf recently.
Big manga/anime spoilers
Kurama died. So now Naruto is more like Hokage powered without a supply of insane chakra
Didn't Naruto and Sasuke basically become, like, the Gods of Ninjutsu at the end of Naruto?
Feels like they'd have to be arbitrarily powered down so that Boruto could have threats that wouldn't just immediately be taken care of by Naruto or Sasuke.
Sort of like how Saitama in One-Punch Man has to be a dumbass who gets lost for hours on end so that other fights can happen.
Boruto (the manga at least) has been rather clever about threat escalation. Basically, it was established in Naruto's finale that the big end boss wasn't a one off, but basically a kind of space alien, a la Dragonball, so others of that type have arrived to cause trouble AND ninja technology has dramatically escalated to the point where mostly untrained children can do moves that took skilled ninjas years of training to do, easily. This has created a setting to where the adults aren't an instant win button and the kids aren't completely useless.
Does anyone know when the english dub of Kaguya S3 will be showing up? I watched S1 and S2 with my kids and they were super excited for S3 -- but we watched the dub because it was done so well, so switching to subtitles would be a big change.
No announcements yet. At all. I'm pretty sure it will come, but no clue what timeframe to look for. (S2 dub was pretty late, and I think suffered some further delays due to the pandemic. Think it started a month or two after the season was done airing. S1 dub dropped all at once a few months after the S2 dub was complete.) [...]
Oh, hey, Crunchyroll announced their simuldub lineup for the current season. No date yet for Kaguya-sama, but shouldn't be too long.
Watched Spy x Family, it was everything I wanted it to be. Remember reading that manga until around the 30 ish chapter, so know the plot basics, but it was still very entretaining. Also Anya is adorable. Also can tell already which are going to be the best and worst episodes of the season, if it gets that far:
Best is the introduction to the dog. Is entretaining, it gives every character moments to shine, it has a very good moral and the stakes feel high.
Worst is the introduction to Yor's brother. He sucks.
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It's really interesting to look at this story as a partner piece with Look Back.
Like Look Back is telling its own story but its also widely read as a piece of public mourning over the KyoAni arson, the loss of so many talented young artists and all the works they may have created in their futures. And any time a mangaka is writing a story about someone who writes manga there's always the question there of like how much of their own life and experiences they're pulling from to inspire their character. So like a big part of the emotional impact of Look Back wasn't just the text itself but the real life tragedy that we think informs it, and that's what really dominated the public conversation around the comic when it was released.
So now we've got Goodbye Eri, which is
about a teenager dealing with grief by making a movie drawing inspiration from real life. But the structure of the comic is twisty and complicated, and purposefully makes you start questioning the lines between what's real and what's invention. We could read the comic literally, as him releasing his 1st movie, filming and releasing his 2nd movie, and then re-editing the 2nd movie when he's older. But the comic suggests reasons we shouldn't accept this, and Eri mentions how she likes trying to figure out what parts are real or not. In the 1st movie we see an idealized version of his mom, but there's subtext that becomes text that the whole thing is pretty fucked up, and we eventually find out she was abusive. In the 2nd movie we're told by the friend that Film Eri is idealized, that she was a bit of a jerk irl, and she had a retainer and glasses that never show up on camera. Among other things this suggests that their first meeting and a lot of their supposedly "off-camera" impromptu conversations were actually constructed and filmed purposefully. So perhaps actually the entire comic, from start to finish, is actually his 2nd movie. The time-skipped grown up kid could easily just be his dad, for instance. And then that suggests even more levels of construction in the story - did Eri really die? Is Eri even a real person, or is she a fictional character constructed entirely for his movie? We can make theories for how to interpret it and how much to accept as real or not, but there's no secret solution to what the real story is, we just don't know. And expanding from that, how much are we going to grieve to a story where we don't actually know how much of it is real?
Which is an interesting question to be asking when his last word very much was about feeling grief over a real event through a story about a fictional one. And it suggests a lot more questions that Goodbye Eri plays with - How true can fiction (or even just an edited version of reality) actually be? How much truth does the fiction writer owe to true events, and is it ethical to be pulling pathos from an audience that knows - or thinks they know - that it's based on real events and real grief. Can the creator's emotions be expressed honestly when his story is purposefully misleading viewers about what happened? How much of our grief depends on knowing the answers to "what really happened" with all the riddles that Fujimoto suggests in his story?
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
I think my favorite bit from Ya Boy Koming so far either has to be Koming handing someone their drink before they even finished their order... or the historian-nerd manager running up going "Are we talking about romance of the three kingdoms!?".
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SpyXFamily might be the only thing I watch this season. Nothing has gotten my attention yet
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It's more complicated all the way down.
One word: hyperfocus
Ain't nobody that can tunnel vision like someone with ADHD
Yes, but it's an easy area for me to approach this with. Mental health has factors outside of an individual's control, and the impact of that on someone's ability to apply themselves to self-improvement covers a broad spectrum. In combination, I feel it more than suffices to disprove the idea that "there is no such thing as talent", even if my argument is more about anti-talent.
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But you would be absolutely gobsmacked, for example, how much your reflexes can be improved through practice, if you ever sat down to measure that properly.
Oh and everyone goes nuts about hyperfocus but I'm actually able to focus better on more tasks after I no longer have adhd. And since I saw both, I dunno about this whole hyperfocus thing. That's more like an inability to task switch away getting you stuck. That's how it felt to me, when I had it. I sure did hyperfocus a lot!
Yeah, I wasn't 100% sure about that, but ADHD kind of cuts both ways on it.
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My handwriting is also still absolutely awful.
"Growing out" of adhd isn't really a thing in most cases. Certainly not if you still have it as an older adult.
It was proper neurofeedback training, that I did around 3 years ago (I'm 40), after suffering for years with no diminishment of symptoms since childhood (if anything they'd been getting worse), and after training for 3 sessions a week for about six months my condition improved to no symptoms gradually and consistently over that time.
Claiming it just faded is a bit like saying people reach peak strength as they get older and that's why you can run a marathon now.
It's a real thing. It sadly doesn't work for all types of adhd, or for every patient, but it did for me, and extremely successfully.
It's a new treatment, but it shows a lot of promise. Just like every treatment for a complicated condition, its best used as a complement, but if you know anyone with ADHD, I would thoroughly recommend having a look into it. If it helps, it helps really well, in a way that medication or behavioral therapy simply can't. I think it's worth a go.
Anyone who sells you on some hard science probably hasn't read the latest peer review that disproves whatever it is. Weirdly enough people are really bad at understanding people. Even scientifically.
As for talent, I think it's pretty obvious that such a concept exists. You have seven year olds that can do the egg drop physics experiment who haven't taken any sorts of classes that would help with that. While others can't even put together a Lego set. Hell a lot of adults can't do it.
It's not some insurmountable difference, it's simply a difference in the way people observe, process and store data. That seven year old wasn't some kind of math genius, they just saw someone catch a mug with their foot one time and then played with some rubber bands to understand why the glass didn't break. Which leads to being able to chuck an egg off a roof in a cage of qtips and rubber bands and it not breaking.
I think it's pretty important to realize everyone sees the world a little different. It isn't always useful to tell people they just have to try harder. It often might just be a bad approach that doesn't mesh with how they function. You can eventually just brute force it but you aren't going to get the same kind of returns.
It has to be good quality practice, which naturally takes into account any individual circumstances, best learning, personality type, coach quality and information available if relevant, and so on. You can try as hard as you like but if you aren't practicing well, for you, you go nowhere.
I didn't say there wasn't any such thing as talent conclusively, its just that if there are, its absolutely dwarfed as a factor by good quality training. That finding is extremely robust and goes back decades. So Ericsson and colleagues, who have been in the field for a long time at the forefront of this research, he's a bit gungho about thinking its mostly not real, or even if it is, it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as people think. And that's all I said. Some of them don't think it is real. I didn't say, myself, it isn't real. I'm not sure if I really believe everything he likes to put down (he's a bit too certain for me), but I do think skill is way more is explainable by factors other than talent than we, as a culture, hell across many cultures, believe it is. Which isn't exactly an earth shattering surprise if it was the case. Humans turn out to be bad at casually figuring out how other humans work, news at 11. You know what we are good at? Telling little stories as explanations. Talent is a great story. That makes me distrust it more than anything else, how neat a story it is.
As an example of how to interpret this, your examples of the egg drop physics experiment vs the lego set, I'm willing to sit here and say if they had proper courses and training in how to do a lego set, and the motivation to sit there and do that, most of them would be able to eventually learn to do it proficiently. And ditto for the egg drop physics test. The idea is that whatever advantage is gained in initial aptitude is lost in comparision to good training, and the advantage only gets smaller the further along that path they go.
I'm not saying "will makes skill" that's clearly bullshit.
But I wont.
Watched Spy x Family first episode.
Here's hoping you're right. Maybe then we can figure out why Shamiko is so bad at everything.
Demon girl next door continues to be pretty amazing. I'd easily suggest anyone to watch it. Season 2 is starting off pretty strong.
I didnt follow.
SpyXFamily might be the only thing I watch this season. Nothing has gotten my attention yet
Feels like they'd have to be arbitrarily powered down so that Boruto could have threats that wouldn't just immediately be taken care of by Naruto or Sasuke.
Sort of like how Saitama in One-Punch Man has to be a dumbass who gets lost for hours on end so that other fights can happen.
I get the basic setup of high schooler who dreams of ballet but worries about it not being masculine or whatever, but it also feels like it's going too far in that direction. Like I only did it cause of this girl bro.
Not sure I have the patience for the show if it takes it as long as it feels like it'll take it to get past that stuff. If it ever does.
Can't speak to the anime, by the manga has done a good job of various threats and why they don't just get annihilated by Naruto and Sasuke
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I haven't read it in ages though.
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Naruto had a pretty big nerf recently.
Big manga/anime spoilers
Boruto (the manga at least) has been rather clever about threat escalation. Basically, it was established in Naruto's finale that the big end boss wasn't a one off, but basically a kind of space alien, a la Dragonball, so others of that type have arrived to cause trouble AND ninja technology has dramatically escalated to the point where mostly untrained children can do moves that took skilled ninjas years of training to do, easily. This has created a setting to where the adults aren't an instant win button and the kids aren't completely useless.
Apparently it's a cover of some Hungarian song that went viral in Japan?
Yes.
Yes.
It's really interesting to look at this story as a partner piece with Look Back.
Like Look Back is telling its own story but its also widely read as a piece of public mourning over the KyoAni arson, the loss of so many talented young artists and all the works they may have created in their futures. And any time a mangaka is writing a story about someone who writes manga there's always the question there of like how much of their own life and experiences they're pulling from to inspire their character. So like a big part of the emotional impact of Look Back wasn't just the text itself but the real life tragedy that we think informs it, and that's what really dominated the public conversation around the comic when it was released.
So now we've got Goodbye Eri, which is
Which is an interesting question to be asking when his last word very much was about feeling grief over a real event through a story about a fictional one. And it suggests a lot more questions that Goodbye Eri plays with - How true can fiction (or even just an edited version of reality) actually be? How much truth does the fiction writer owe to true events, and is it ethical to be pulling pathos from an audience that knows - or thinks they know - that it's based on real events and real grief. Can the creator's emotions be expressed honestly when his story is purposefully misleading viewers about what happened? How much of our grief depends on knowing the answers to "what really happened" with all the riddles that Fujimoto suggests in his story?
It's a great show, so far!
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Main's ambition was inevitably going to drive her to create the printing press, but I'm surprised she's getting started on it this soon. Figured she'd focus more on getting the concept of mass-produced books made through hand-copying embedded in the culture first. Well, it couldn't hurt to get started on the technology early.
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