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The Wheel of Time Turns [show only]
Carpy
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It's kind of awkwardly late into the season but I know people have been requesting a show only thread so let's see how this goes.
Please use this thread to talk about the show solely within the context of the show. Comparisons to book depictions or chatter about what's been shifted/dropped should go into the other thread .
Spoilers for current episode.
On mobile but I'll try to flesh this out here in a bit.
Please use this thread to talk about the show solely within the context of the show. Comparisons to book depictions or chatter about what's been shifted/dropped should go into the other thread .
Spoilers for current episode.
On mobile but I'll try to flesh this out here in a bit.
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Ep 7
Can you put something in the OP regarding if this thread is open spoilers or not?
One of my complaints with this show, which may just be a budget thing, is how small these places feel. Where ever they went in this episode felt like a hut and a couple of corridors. They don’t give a good idea of the scale and scope of these places - they feel extremely limited.
We can’t all have the budget to shoot in an actual ancient city, but it sure does help.
Then the show gradually gave me hope that it was one of the more interesting characters.
But nope, it's thrift store Anakin.
I still really enjoy the show, but I was hoping for more of a subversion of the trope.
I had something but it was at the end of a paragraph. Gave it it's own line so hopefully a little more noticable. I went current episode since that's what the other thread was doing but I'm happy to go open show spoilers if people would prefer it.
I agree with this as well, but at least everyone seems to be important in some way.
I thought without Mat that Voltron might have still assembled, just like, missing an arm. So, no sword.
I forgive the writers - sort of. Rand having the most badass Mom in that universe is p. great.
Also, still a little hopeful for Voltron given the fabric talk from the bartender.
I too was hoping for this, but it appears that:
I rather assume that they wanted to keep the idea of the multi-headed Dragon going, but got forced into changing their plans when the actor had to depart early and couldn't manage to stay with the show. I do wonder if they are going to end up recasting him or something similar for Season 2, but it might not work out too well unless they have some sort of explanation for why.
So far I have enjoyed the show mostly on its own merits. Where it fails, as with so much fantasy prestige TV, is when I compare it to Game of Thrones brilliant early seasons. Packed with careful characterization, a lack of rushing from event A to B and taking time to explain to the audience why things are important were foundations of Game of Thrones success. There was also that tangible sense of scale that Game of Thrones nailed, with White Run as a simple example, feeling like a big and very real place. You don't get that out of anything in Wheel of Time so far. A good example of this problem was the most recent episode:
Also the whole thing with Perrin and a love triangle that doesn't seem to have been implied or set up much at all. It seemed constructed out of nowhere to create random drama for a single scene and then everyone more or less promptly ceases to care about its existence. Guy has wolf eyes and can summon wolves to murder people, he honestly should be a more interesting character than this.
I did really like the opening of Episode 7 and it's nice they can do some great and effective action scenes when they want to. Hopefully whoever coordinated that scene comes back and does future battles/fights, because outside of the Trolloc attack there haven't really been any really interesting engagements in the show. I go back to the Episode where Logain's "army" attacks and the entire scene felt like about 5 guys in a forest running around, as opposed to being a genuinely overwhelming force. It did not feel like the only thing holding them back was the superior magic compared to the large numbers. Actually, the Trolloc Horde felt more like an army than that lot - they were like a raiding force in feeling at best.
Logain did at least show how powerful male channelers are and convey why they are a threat - only being beaten by a surprise "I am the one" sort of affair.
I'm still holding most of my opinions back for Episode 8 and I like to give a show at least it's first season to completion for most of my criticism. I am enjoying it - I don't tend to waste a lot of time on things I dislike anymore - but I'm not convinced I'm invested enough to watch a second season at the moment.
Anything with fighting was a full on HBO GoT/ bloodfest. And any of the romance/intergroup dynamics was a CW show with a bunch of 27 year-olds playing "high schoolers".
Ep 7 Perrin
It just all feels like there was more there and then they got told to scale back and this part of his arc was a chunk of what got cut.
Whoops, I don't read so good, sorry.
They did themselves no favours on this account (Ep 7)
It feels like they were trying so hard to hide what was gonna happen from those familiar with the structure of these kind of stories that they didn't even let him have distinctive character traits.
Other then I guess "wants Egwene" and even that was copied by another character.
My favorite so far.
edit: The tweeter of that one was Priyanka Bose, who played Alanna.
(ep7)
Overall, a decent episode. Wondering how the hell they wrap this up in one episode, though.
It feels like the writers have no idea how long the series is going to last, so they're trying to keep the show relatively tight. Characters or organizations are introduced less as a critical piece of a large tapestry, with their own rich histories, and more as kind of an interesting set piece for an episode. See the Tinkers and the Whitecloaks. The Tinkers gave Perrin and Egwene something to do for an episode, they drive some character growth, we get some background on them but mostly just enough to give Perrin something to think about--and it wouldn't be at all surprising if they never or seldom appeared again in the series. The Whitecloaks served as secondary antagonists and a minor threat along the way, we know they don't like Aes Sedai (but is this really explained in the show? it feels like Valda is evil for the sake of being evil, with a mostly unexplained religious zealotry serving as justification). There hasn't been closure to that story, but it also feels like they don't even have their own story yet despite a decent amount of screen time.
There's a lot there, though. My hope is that the problems are ultimately just the writers having so much source material, but only eight episodes to present a fairly self-contained first season and justification for more seasons. But at this point they know they'll get at least two more seasons, so they have more of a chance to take their time.
Edit:
I had a similar line in my post that I took out right before posting
Given the strong viewerships, there’s a good chance for longer seasons and better production values moving forward.
- John Stuart Mill
I might need to rewatch the episode but:
No
And a really stupid argument about veils.
- John Stuart Mill
Not to mention the laundry lists of the way that the show has apparently regularly defiled the memory of Robert Jordan by ruining everything.
I'm much happier with a thread that at least considers the show on its own and maybe doesn't have a ton of people who are just in for the long hate-watch
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Hey, maybe if you've got something to say just say it to the people in question instead of trying to talk behind their backs in the other thread?
Like, ffs, the point of this thread is not to be a treehouse for some posters in the other thread.
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If so who and why?
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