Final Fantasy XIV: Wastin' Away in Moogleritaville

Stabbity Style

Yeah, there's a level 100 set in 7.0 (plus leveling sets at like 91, 94, 97?). But the 7.1 set seems to be the proper one that'll last a bit.

Wrizzik

Stabs and others, I can point you to a few blogs and vids I use for my crafters.

I currently have pentameld on DT "7.0 best" using cheap materia (max in the guaranteed spots is Rank X). The streamer I follow has macros and guides for using the cheap melds and HQ Tsai food (better food makes it easier)

It was quite cheap for me to meld out, but I also had a stock. If you buy all the materia from MB, it's roughly 250k depending on servers?

Most of that is Rank 2 and Rank 3 +CP materia since they have lowest success rates.

The idea is to save funds for top end pentamelds in 7.1 and 7.3 and use the time between patches to stock up materia via spiritbonding.
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For leveling: do the daily GC turnins - or at least do the started ones for big XP (HQ yields double XP). If you can work out how to get consistent HQ ingots/lumber/cloth/gems (I can help), you get 600k-800k XP per craft after bonuses.

If it doesn't hurt your psyche to do it, I recommend you buy mats in bulk to craft. Then again I don't have the free time to farm my own mats. The site Universalis helps a TON.

Poke me with any further specifics. I can post my melds later tonight.

jothki

It's interesting seeing the WoW thread discuss tank survivability. You see people complaining about how useless healers are in FF14, but WoW tank independence sounds completely deranged in comparison.

Polaritie

Your weekly custom delivery handins are free xp for crafting/gathering too, you get like a level and a half or so easy? Plus a pile of scrips.

Stabbity Style

Polaritie wrote: »

Your weekly custom delivery handins are free xp for crafting/gathering too, you get like a level and a half or so easy? Plus a pile of scrips.

That's how I've been leveling my culinarian and alchemist. Those two have the worst crafting lists by far.

Wrizzik

It's just that each craft takes literally 5 or 6 mats. I agree; I typically buy the finished goods from MB unless they are $Eorzea

I leveled FSH 1-90 in Endwalker purely through GC turnins. (Shhhh...don't tell anyone or I may get a fishing spear in my chest one night)

Dhalphir

jothki wrote: »

It's interesting seeing the WoW thread discuss tank survivability. You see people complaining about how useless healers are in FF14, but WoW tank independence sounds completely deranged in comparison.

WoW healers have more going on with group healing, whereas in ffxiv historically the only healing healers ever really do in dungeons on trash is heal the tank. that's actually changed a little bit, there's a couple of pulls in the 100 dungeons that do partywides damage now, but mostly FFXIV has only ever damaged the tank. WoW has that in every single trash pull of every single dungeon they've ever made.

Muzzmuzz

Learning that Revisit can proc when doing a timed collectable node was a… euphoric experience.

Stabbity Style

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Learning that Revisit can proc when doing a timed collectable node was a… euphoric experience.

The stuff they've given gatherers this xpac has been wild.

Donnicton

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Learning that Revisit can proc when doing a timed collectable node was a… euphoric experience.

Axen

Arcadion talk

One thing I think people overlooked and admittedly with fair reason, is that the people we are fighting are all under 20 years of age. They're teenagers. Eutrope casually drops that all the fighters retire by 20. This nugget of information is immediately overshadowed by the bombshells she drops after that.

Secondly my buddy made a joke about who the President will be, but as soon as he said it we both looked at each other deadpan because we think his joke is right; Raubahn's shard. Probably with some sort of Bull type spirit animal or maybe Behemoth.

Also, Honey B. Lovely lives rent free in my head. I think I'll join her cult fanclub.

I needed anime to post.

brute bomber being under 20 is one of the most egregious "jrpg ages" yet

Polaritie

I needed anime to post. wrote: »

brute bomber being under 20 is one of the most egregious "jrpg ages" yet

Totally justified by all the drugs he does, I think.

jothki

Arcadion:

I don't see how any of this could have competely slipped past Sphene. This seems like the sort of thing that she absolutely would not allow, ever, even with Zoraal Ja in power.

Axen

jothki wrote: »

Arcadion:

I don't see how any of this could have competely slipped past Sphene. This seems like the sort of thing that she absolutely would not allow, ever, even with Zoraal Ja in power.

Arcadion-arama

The answer is that it absolutely shouldn't have.

They do have a hand wavy comment about how the Regulators are removed before the fighters get Old Yeller'd. Which, fine, that means Sphene wouldn't register the death.

But!

Everyone believes the fighters go to a nice farm upstate and Sphene would totally know if that was true or not. She also would most certainly want to check in on them from time to time like she does to literally everyone else who lives in Alexandria.

edit- A interesting twist (that I highly doubt they'll do) is if Eutrope has developed some form of paranoid schizophrenia for one reason or another and everything she believes and has told us is not the truth. That in reality everything about the Arcadion is running as advertised, but in Eutrope's addled mind she thinks there is some Grand Conspiracy. With us discovering there is no conspiracy and then trying to talk Eutrope down so she can get the (probably aetheric) help she needs.

That would be interesting to me and also handily account for Sphene.

Lucid_Seraph

Going through the MSQ a second time on my NA main character; It's Good, Y'all. There's also some DEVASTATING foreshadowing.

Right after the duel with Gulool Ja Ja...

Wuk Lamat: "Ugh, that's my father for you. He's going to keep dueling until the day he dies."

Lucid_Seraph

accidental double post due to bad gateway whee

Axen

Honey B. Lovely is my oshi, but Lightning MyQueen is pretty high on the list.

Muzzmuzz

Lucid_Seraph wrote: »

Going through the MSQ a second time on my NA main character; It's Good, Y'all. There's also some DEVASTATING foreshadowing.

Right after the duel with Gulool Ja Ja...

Wuk Lamat: "Ugh, that's my father for you. He's going to keep dueling until the day he dies."

I knew the guy was gonna die, and that he was probably gonna die to his son. I also figured that the Head of Reason had passed away. (although it does make a sad realization when he attempts to cast his ultimate spell, only to remember that his brother was...'sleeping')

Didn't make his death any less agonizing. Say what you will about Wuk Lamat, her soft 'Papa?' killed me.

Stabbity Style

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Lucid_Seraph wrote: »

Going through the MSQ a second time on my NA main character; It's Good, Y'all. There's also some DEVASTATING foreshadowing.

Right after the duel with Gulool Ja Ja...

Wuk Lamat: "Ugh, that's my father for you. He's going to keep dueling until the day he dies."

I knew the guy was gonna die, and that he was probably gonna die to his son. I also figured that the Head of Reason had passed away. (although it does make a sad realization when he attempts to cast his ultimate spell, only to remember that his brother was...'sleeping')

Didn't make his death any less agonizing. Say what you will about Wuk Lamat, her soft 'Papa?' killed me.

I figured he was either dead or they were gonna have him wake up and pop off later, one of the two. But yeah, felt like he was gonna die for sure.

But yeah, Wuk Lamat's great and her voice actor killed it.

Stabbity Style

Also, since I was confused by this and finally cleared it up, in case anyone else was kinda confused by this. Regarding umbral calamities, umbral eras, and and astral eras:

Umbral calamities are all shard rejoinings, including the last one, the 7th. Somehow thought that not necessarily all of them were rejoinings, but it seems like they are. And I guess rejoinings can be triggered from either the Source or the reflections. Idk if there's confirmation on which/any of them have come from either, I think the assumption is that they're initiated in the Source unless specified otherwise? Like, people in the Source are doing things that can cause imbalances but also the reflection getting imbalanced and flooding in during a rejoining would also cause that. I think the only confirmed one was the 1st reflection and the 8th umbral calamity, which got undone in ShB. The 13th wasn't a rejoining, it was an Ascian failure, though when the Allagans went messing with it, they triggered an umbral calamity which rejoined a different shard, weirdly enough. Like, you'd think it would've been the 13th that rejoined since fucking around with it is what caused it but nope.

Umbral eras are basically just the immediate aftermath. Until they're like "welp, I think it's over, some of us survived, umbral era over, astral era begin". Usually pretty short, like a couple of years at most I think? Seems like the era thing is mainly an Eorzian timekeeping thing, too, and isn't really used elsewhere in the world.

Astral eras, therefore, are basically from whenever they call the umbral era over to whenever the next Umbral calamity is. We're currently in the 7th astral era. We were in the 7th umbral era at the start of ARR, the umbral era ended at the end of ARR when we defeated Ultima and the city state leaders were like "welp, that's good enough, it's astral era time"

Pretty sure I watched a video explaining all of that at some point and forgot or something. Idk. Anyway, that made things easier for me.

Tcheldor

Stabbity Style wrote: »

Also, since I was confused by this and finally cleared it up, in case anyone else was kinda confused by this. Regarding umbral calamities, umbral eras, and and astral eras:

Umbral calamities are all shard rejoinings, including the last one, the 7th. Somehow thought that not necessarily all of them were rejoinings, but it seems like they are. And I guess rejoinings can be triggered from either the Source or the reflections. Idk if there's confirmation on which/any of them have come from either, I think the assumption is that they're initiated in the Source unless specified otherwise? Like, people in the Source are doing things that can cause imbalances but also the reflection getting imbalanced and flooding in during a rejoining would also cause that. I think the only confirmed one was the 1st reflection and the 8th umbral calamity, which got undone in ShB. The 13th wasn't a rejoining, it was an Ascian failure, though when the Allagans went messing with it, they triggered an umbral calamity which rejoined a different shard, weirdly enough. Like, you'd think it would've been the 13th that rejoined since fucking around with it is what caused it but nope.

Umbral eras are basically just the immediate aftermath. Until they're like "welp, I think it's over, some of us survived, umbral era over, astral era begin". Usually pretty short, like a couple of years at most I think? Seems like the era thing is mainly an Eorzian timekeeping thing, too, and isn't really used elsewhere in the world.

Astral eras, therefore, are basically from whenever they call the umbral era over to whenever the next Umbral calamity is. We're currently in the 7th astral era. We were in the 7th umbral era at the start of ARR, the umbral era ended at the end of ARR when we defeated Ultima and the city state leaders were like "welp, that's good enough, it's astral era time"

Pretty sure I watched a video explaining all of that at some point and forgot or something. Idk. Anyway, that made things easier for me.

As far as we can tell for rejoinings

There needs to be a flood of one type of aether on a shard, i.e. dark, light, lightning, etc., and then a calamity on the source, both have to happen and the shard rejoins. The 13th is a failure because there was no corresponding calamity on the source.

Stabbity Style

Tcheldor wrote: »

Stabbity Style wrote: »

Also, since I was confused by this and finally cleared it up, in case anyone else was kinda confused by this. Regarding umbral calamities, umbral eras, and and astral eras:

Umbral calamities are all shard rejoinings, including the last one, the 7th. Somehow thought that not necessarily all of them were rejoinings, but it seems like they are. And I guess rejoinings can be triggered from either the Source or the reflections. Idk if there's confirmation on which/any of them have come from either, I think the assumption is that they're initiated in the Source unless specified otherwise? Like, people in the Source are doing things that can cause imbalances but also the reflection getting imbalanced and flooding in during a rejoining would also cause that. I think the only confirmed one was the 1st reflection and the 8th umbral calamity, which got undone in ShB. The 13th wasn't a rejoining, it was an Ascian failure, though when the Allagans went messing with it, they triggered an umbral calamity which rejoined a different shard, weirdly enough. Like, you'd think it would've been the 13th that rejoined since fucking around with it is what caused it but nope.

Umbral eras are basically just the immediate aftermath. Until they're like "welp, I think it's over, some of us survived, umbral era over, astral era begin". Usually pretty short, like a couple of years at most I think? Seems like the era thing is mainly an Eorzian timekeeping thing, too, and isn't really used elsewhere in the world.

Astral eras, therefore, are basically from whenever they call the umbral era over to whenever the next Umbral calamity is. We're currently in the 7th astral era. We were in the 7th umbral era at the start of ARR, the umbral era ended at the end of ARR when we defeated Ultima and the city state leaders were like "welp, that's good enough, it's astral era time"

Pretty sure I watched a video explaining all of that at some point and forgot or something. Idk. Anyway, that made things easier for me.

As far as we can tell for rejoinings

There needs to be a flood of one type of aether on a shard, i.e. dark, light, lightning, etc., and then a calamity on the source, both have to happen and the shard rejoins. The 13th is a failure because there was no corresponding calamity on the source.

Ah, yep, you're right. Looked it up.

I needed anime to post.

it's gotta be like a magnet, or a space for aether to flow, stuff like that. otherwise it just sits in place and rots

Muzzmuzz

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

admanb

I would not worry too much about the specific logic behind calamities/rejoinings/aether floods, because I'm pretty sure most of that was made up after the fact to square the Ascians of ARR with the Ancients of ShB.

I needed anime to post.

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

They took it as a "We'll figure it out later" kind of problem. Which, given that we appear to have made some progress on that front, seems fair. Til that point, the Void was a tool that the Ascians could use to disrupt the world, like how the Allagans got very interested in manipulating it.

BahamutZERO

I needed anime to post. wrote: »

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

They took it as a "We'll figure it out later" kind of problem. Which, given that we appear to have made some progress on that front, seems fair. Til that point, the Void was a tool that the Ascians could use to disrupt the world, like how the Allagans got very interested in manipulating it.

yep that was the canon explanation as far as I remember, the void was fucked for their plans but they figured they had a lot of time to figure out a way to unfuck it and could work on the other shards in the meantime.

Delzhand

IIRC they didn't need to rejoin all the shards, they only needed a critical mass for Zodiark to be strong enough to overcome Hydaelyn, at which point he would be strong enough to force total reunification

jothki

Umbral Eras:

Most of the Calamities turbofucked pretty much everything for a while. The only reason that the 7th Umbral Era was so comparatively harmless was that Phoenix used most of the stray energy to unfuck everything.

The Void:

I assume that the Ascians sort of knew that they had maybe permanently screwed up their plans forever if they couldn't eventually figure out a way to fix things. But what were they going to do, stop?

Javen

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

It was never the case that all 13 shards needed to be rejoined. The whole reason the fracture happened was because along with each shard, a shard of Zodiark was also there, at 1/13th its whole power. For the rejoining to be successful, Zodiark never needed to be entirely whole; only stronger than Hydaelyn/the spell she used to create the shards. Once Zodiark was free, he could just do the rest himself

Lucid_Seraph

Also to clarify a thing SPOILERS FOR END OF DAWNTRAIL NO FOR REAL

This Shard, whichever it was, was in the process of being primed for a rejoining of the Electrical type. Much like how the First was teetering on the very brink, but held juuuust back from it until the Ascians could get a properly aligned Calamity going, so was that one. In fact, King Thordan's bullshit was supposed to rejoin the First, it's just, we kicked ass too hard, so they pivoted to Black Rose.

BahamutZERO

Javen wrote: »

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

It was never the case that all 13 shards needed to be rejoined. The whole reason the fracture happened was because along with each shard, a shard of Zodiark was also there, at 1/13th its whole power. For the rejoining to be successful, Zodiark never needed to be entirely whole; only stronger than Hydaelyn/the spell she used to create the shards. Once Zodiark was free, he could just do the rest himself

Delzhand wrote: »

IIRC they didn't need to rejoin all the shards, they only needed a critical mass for Zodiark to be strong enough to overcome Hydaelyn, at which point he would be strong enough to force total reunification

Wait you all remember that too? Huh, some folks convinced me I was crazy for remembering that as a plot point and that they never said anything like that. Dawntrail spoilers:

Did they also say they only needed one more rejoining to get zodiark kickstarted, or did I just make that up because they had done 7/8 elements and light would have been the last one they didn't do, and it would have felt weird if they did one rejoining of every element if they could repeat them?

The reason this used to feel likely to me was the "one calamity of every element" thing they were doing, so I assumed Alexandria was refugees from the shard that was rejoined with a flood of lightning, but then we learn that Alexandria's shard apparently did have a flood of lightning and didn't get rejoined, as we can still physically visit it and its people were not all rejoined to their shards in the Source. At first I thought it was just Alexandria that survived by creating a small pocket dimension inside a lightning barrier, but then the sky clears up at the end and it's just an open sky beyond the barrier, so it definitely seems like the entire shard did not get rejoined. The timeline of the south island lalafel escaping there also doesn't fit it being the shard that was rejoined in the lightning calamity, as that long predated the ice calamity that drove them to jump across dimensions. Lightning was the second umbral calamity, ice was the fifth.

I needed anime to post.

well you know, don't put all your eggs in one basket

Axen

BahamutZERO wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

It was never the case that all 13 shards needed to be rejoined. The whole reason the fracture happened was because along with each shard, a shard of Zodiark was also there, at 1/13th its whole power. For the rejoining to be successful, Zodiark never needed to be entirely whole; only stronger than Hydaelyn/the spell she used to create the shards. Once Zodiark was free, he could just do the rest himself

Delzhand wrote: »

IIRC they didn't need to rejoin all the shards, they only needed a critical mass for Zodiark to be strong enough to overcome Hydaelyn, at which point he would be strong enough to force total reunification

Wait you all remember that too? Huh, some folks convinced me I was crazy for remembering that as a plot point and that they never said anything like that. Dawntrail spoilers:

Did they also say they only needed one more rejoining to get zodiark kickstarted, or did I just make that up because they had done 7/8 elements and light would have been the last one they didn't do, and it would have felt weird if they did one rejoining of every element if they could repeat them?

The reason this used to feel likely to me was the "one calamity of every element" thing they were doing, so I assumed Alexandria was refugees from the shard that was rejoined with a flood of lightning, but then we learn that Alexandria's shard apparently did have a flood of lightning and didn't get rejoined, as we can still physically visit it and its people were not all rejoined to their shards in the Source. At first I thought it was just Alexandria that survived by creating a small pocket dimension inside a lightning barrier, but then the sky clears up at the end and it's just an open sky beyond the barrier, so it definitely seems like the entire shard did not get rejoined. The timeline of the south island lalafel escaping there also doesn't fit it being the shard that was rejoined in the lightning calamity, as that long predated the ice calamity that drove them to jump across dimensions. Lightning was the second umbral calamity, ice was the fifth.

The Calamity on a Reflection and the simultaneous* Calamity on the Source need to be opposite elements. So a Light Calamity on the First needs a corresponding Dark Calamity on the Source. In Alexandria's case a Lightning Calamity means there needs to be an Ice Calamity on the Source.

*The Calamities are "simultaneous" from the perspective of the Ascians. Between the Reflections and the Source time moves at different speeds and they can be further behind or ahead of the Source timeline. It is weird.

The First is a good example of this in practice. The Light Calamity the First experienced and the almost Dark Calamity we stopped on the Source happen at the "same time" from the Ascian point of view, but when we get to the First the Calamity happened like 100+ years ago.

In the case of the Lalafells they arrived in Alexandria before the Calamity. Timey-wimey.

I needed anime to post.

Axen wrote: »

BahamutZERO wrote: »

Javen wrote: »

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Regarding the above spoilers

With the failure of the 13th rejoining, why were the Ascians continuing to attemp their ultimate goal, which was now technically impossible?

It was never the case that all 13 shards needed to be rejoined. The whole reason the fracture happened was because along with each shard, a shard of Zodiark was also there, at 1/13th its whole power. For the rejoining to be successful, Zodiark never needed to be entirely whole; only stronger than Hydaelyn/the spell she used to create the shards. Once Zodiark was free, he could just do the rest himself

Delzhand wrote: »

IIRC they didn't need to rejoin all the shards, they only needed a critical mass for Zodiark to be strong enough to overcome Hydaelyn, at which point he would be strong enough to force total reunification

Wait you all remember that too? Huh, some folks convinced me I was crazy for remembering that as a plot point and that they never said anything like that. Dawntrail spoilers:

Did they also say they only needed one more rejoining to get zodiark kickstarted, or did I just make that up because they had done 7/8 elements and light would have been the last one they didn't do, and it would have felt weird if they did one rejoining of every element if they could repeat them?

The reason this used to feel likely to me was the "one calamity of every element" thing they were doing, so I assumed Alexandria was refugees from the shard that was rejoined with a flood of lightning, but then we learn that Alexandria's shard apparently did have a flood of lightning and didn't get rejoined, as we can still physically visit it and its people were not all rejoined to their shards in the Source. At first I thought it was just Alexandria that survived by creating a small pocket dimension inside a lightning barrier, but then the sky clears up at the end and it's just an open sky beyond the barrier, so it definitely seems like the entire shard did not get rejoined. The timeline of the south island lalafel escaping there also doesn't fit it being the shard that was rejoined in the lightning calamity, as that long predated the ice calamity that drove them to jump across dimensions. Lightning was the second umbral calamity, ice was the fifth.

The Calamity on a Reflection and the simultaneous* Calamity on the Source need to be opposite elements. So a Light Calamity on the First needs a corresponding Dark Calamity on the Source. In Alexandria's case a Lightning Calamity means there needs to be an Ice Calamity on the Source.

*The Calamities are "simultaneous" from the perspective of the Ascians. Between the Reflections and the Source time moves at different speeds and they can be further behind or ahead of the Source timeline. It is weird.

The First is a good example of this in practice. The Light Calamity the First experienced and the almost Dark Calamity we stopped on the Source happen at the "same time" from the Ascian point of view, but when we get to the First the Calamity happened like 100+ years ago.

In the case of the Lalafells they arrived in Alexandria before the Calamity. Timey-wimey.

This is incorrect. The intent was to cause a Light Calamity on the Source - Black Rose is Light-aligned because it causes stagnancy of the aether.

Specifically, rejoinings happen because some manner of disaster on the Source seeks additional aether to fuel itself, which it finds from the shard. This drawing of aether is what causes the worlds to combine.

BahamutZERO

Something like that, yeah. The calamity and the flood are the same element.

I needed anime to post.

also technically speaking there's a lot about the Unlost World that we technically do not know (probably because some of it will be explored in literally the next several years of game), which i emphasize because it's important to remember that we're functionally in a new story arc. while the lightning issues it faced are compared to an ascian-induced imbalance, it's possible that the story over the coming years may come to be about some other feature causing imbalances in worlds, like some kind of climate change allegory. we also can only know as much about the situation as the people we were talking to knew about it, and it's possible the picture alexandrian scientists had about it was very different to the reality

Javen

I needed anime to post. wrote: »

also technically speaking there's a lot about the Unlost World that we technically do not know (probably because some of it will be explored in literally the next several years of game), which i emphasize because it's important to remember that we're functionally in a new story arc. while the lightning issues it faced are compared to an ascian-induced imbalance, it's possible that the story over the coming years may come to be about some other feature causing imbalances in worlds, like some kind of climate change allegory. we also can only know as much about the situation as the people we were talking to knew about it, and it's possible the picture alexandrian scientists had about it was very different to the reality

I'd be very surprised if they discovery and proliferation of electrope didn't end up being from the Ascians, it feels very 'technologically advanced race gives primitive ones nuclear weapons, expected results occur' situation

Dhalphir

Muzzmuzz wrote: »

Lucid_Seraph wrote: »

Going through the MSQ a second time on my NA main character; It's Good, Y'all. There's also some DEVASTATING foreshadowing.

Right after the duel with Gulool Ja Ja...

Wuk Lamat: "Ugh, that's my father for you. He's going to keep dueling until the day he dies."

I knew the guy was gonna die, and that he was probably gonna die to his son. I also figured that the Head of Reason had passed away. (although it does make a sad realization when he attempts to cast his ultimate spell, only to remember that his brother was...'sleeping')

Didn't make his death any less agonizing. Say what you will about Wuk Lamat, her soft 'Papa?' killed me.

As with most of the hardhitting moments this expansion, I thought the idea was good and the execution fell flat. They really needed to do more to escape the FFXIV cutscene meme of the WOL just standing around staring and looking shocked rather than intervening.