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Highland park (Chicago suburb) parade shooting. No way to prevent this.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Prohass wrote: »
    Margarine Taylor green said that this was a false flag. What a freaking monster

    Marjorie Taylor Greene is either incredibly gullible or knows her followers are. I happened to see the other day where she shared an image that was obviously photoshopped. It could have just been a photo of someone's face cut out and pasted onto a photo of the interior of a cell.

    She's also now beating this drum that psychiatric medications are actually the reason for mass shootings, which is a new one to me. It'll be both bizarre and tragic if Republicans go from just using "mental health" as a distraction to trying to restrict access to medication based on the idea that somehow it's actually to blame.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    I like how all of a sudden she wants all of the facts when it comes to a white shooter.

  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    Last update was the shorter planned to murder more people at a second location, but that didn’t happen for whatever reason. Also, the cops were scrutinizing the terrorist’s mother, but few details were given beyond that.

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    I like how all of a sudden she wants all of the facts when it comes to a white shooter.

    I like how she's channeling early 2000's Jack Thompson.

  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Anything but the guns

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  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    Greene has been on Alex Jones’ show a bunch of times. She’s a conspiracy nut who actually believes these shootings are false flags.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I think Greene considers spinning up wild conspiracy theories about mass shootings by white men to be her political "brand." And she's going to do it every time one happens.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

    It's probably important to see what the fascists are saying about mass shootings, but I tend to agree. Marge's bit is so tired at this point, that there's little point in talking about it. She's a simple minded, sadistic, troll. And is always going to be.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

    It's probably important to see what the fascists are saying about mass shootings, but I tend to agree, that Marge's bit is so tired at this point, that there's little point in talking about it. She's a simple minded, sadistic, troll. And is always going to be.

    You can discuss what they're saying without screengrabbing their Twitter

    If people want more they can easily look it up, though

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Central OhioRegistered User regular
    Funny about MTG I could use her bullshit argument to justify why she shouldn’t be allowed any weapons

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

    It's probably important to see what the fascists are saying about mass shootings, but I tend to agree, that Marge's bit is so tired at this point, that there's little point in talking about it. She's a simple minded, sadistic, troll. And is always going to be.

    You can discuss what they're saying without screengrabbing their Twitter

    If people want more they can easily look it up, though

    But that would require me to look up her twitter. Sorry, there are some sewers I don't want to swim in.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    see317 wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

    It's probably important to see what the fascists are saying about mass shootings, but I tend to agree, that Marge's bit is so tired at this point, that there's little point in talking about it. She's a simple minded, sadistic, troll. And is always going to be.

    You can discuss what they're saying without screengrabbing their Twitter

    If people want more they can easily look it up, though

    But that would require me to look up her twitter. Sorry, there are some sewers I don't want to swim in.

    Yes, that's the point. You don't want to look it up on her Twitter, people here don't want her Twitter inflicted upon them.

    Plus plenty of news orgs are covering it without requiring you to swim directly in the shitwater that is her general being.

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  • ChiselphaneChiselphane Registered User regular
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

    Its hard to balance but I do think there's some value in occasional firsthand knowledge of what she and her ilk are saying. I dont mind it not being present at all but a specific response on the subject of the thread feels like it would be at least a little useful to know about. Maybe under spoilers?

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Can we not post anything directly from MTG at all

    I feel this goes against the entire spirit of "Don't post their propaganda here."

    Its hard to balance but I do think there's some value in occasional firsthand knowledge of what she and her ilk are saying. I dont mind it not being present at all but a specific response on the subject of the thread feels like it would be at least a little useful to know about. Maybe under spoilers?

    At no point in my day to day life is knowing exactly what a fascist says word for word either made me more or less in favor of them. Unless they have a massive change of heart and start campaigning for sanity in gun control I'm not interested in picking apart their statements word for word. They're all just regurgitated FOX and Trump talking points that repeat the same fucking script over and over, the only change is their brashness in dismissing the value of human life and their willingness to be openly bigoted due to them having an audience of people fawning over their words, for good or ill.

    What usually happens lately is I need to spend the next few hours decompressing after reading such blatant disregard for basic human decency, otherwise I get snarky and nasty all day and that's the kind of person I'm not trying to be anymore.

    It has a measurable negative effect on my mental health and attitude with zero benefit. But if that's what people desire and I'm actually alone here I'll just excuse myself from the thread because I can't do that shit anymore.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    I like how all of a sudden she wants all of the facts when it comes to a white shooter.

    I like how she's channeling early 2000's Jack Thompson.

    'Alternate reality games.'

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I went ahead and removed the two images from my previous post. My reason for including the first one was to show what the obviously incredibly fake-looking image she was sharing as evidence looked like because I had difficulty believing anyone could be actually fooled by it. On reflection I didn't have a good reason to share an actual screencapture of the second one instead of just describing why it had me concerned (because of its demonization of psychiatric medicatinon), so I replaced the former with the latter.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I went ahead and removed the two images from my previous post. My reason for including the first one was to show what the obviously incredibly fake-looking image she was sharing as evidence looked like, but on reflection I didn't have a good reason to share an actual screencapture of the second one instead of just describing why it had me concerned, so I replaced the former with the latter.

    I appreciate it

    I think the picture itself is interesting, and the ramifications that so many clods are going out of their way to believe it are terrifying.

    But here we are, in the land of Team Sports Politics.

  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I found this Vice article just now about the kinds of online communities that the shooter frequented:
    "He embodies sort of the pop-culture image of a mass shooter,” Conley said. “For decades, especially since Columbine, the media has been talking about the idea of a dangerous level of mentally ill, confused, schizophrenic young man who doesn't really have any intentions—, he's just crazy, right? And this is a shooter that said, 'OK' and embodied that. Everything about him is confusing on purpose.”
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    Experts said there were hints that he may have been trying to leave an alternate reality game—an acquaintance of his told VICE News he enjoyed these immensely—for his audience and the online community. This could be seen through works he published and shared to both his Amazon and YouTube accounts.
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    For the last year, a central haunt of the alleged shooter was an online gore forum where he posted frequently in the days leading up to the shooting. None of the posts indicate a clear political ideology as a central force in his life. He aggregated gore videos of people being maimed and killed in a variety of ways for the website, but he also posted about his day-to-day activities and discussed his favorite murderer. Some of the posts were intentional gibberish, similar to what’s in some of his music videos.

    Source

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I just saw this thread title right now and it made me panic a little because I live in actual Chicago and it took me a minute to realize it was about the previous shooting in Highland Park. I'm sure it's been talked about Highland Park is a completely different place than Chicago. It's North of Evanston which is north of Chicago. It's like one of the wealthiest suburbs that exists apparently.

    I understand geolocating things for people internationally or wanting to help narrow down a location to a significant identifier in few words, but "chicago shooting" can and will and is currently being used by right wing news to connect it to how we're an apocalyptic wasteland of gang warfare to them and that's why it happened instead of any actual reason

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  • altlat55altlat55 Registered User regular
    I just saw this thread title right now and it made me panic a little because I live in actual Chicago and it took me a minute to realize it was about the previous shooting in Highland Park. I'm sure it's been talked about Highland Park is a completely different place than Chicago. It's North of Evanston which is north of Chicago. It's like one of the wealthiest suburbs that exists apparently.

    I understand geolocating things for people internationally or wanting to help narrow down a location to a significant identifier in few words, but "chicago shooting" can and will and is currently being used by right wing news to connect it to how we're an apocalyptic wasteland of gang warfare to them and that's why it happened instead of any actual reason

    No kidding. There are 4 towns between Highland Park and Chicago.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    edited July 2022
    I just saw this thread title right now and it made me panic a little because I live in actual Chicago and it took me a minute to realize it was about the previous shooting in Highland Park. I'm sure it's been talked about Highland Park is a completely different place than Chicago. It's North of Evanston which is north of Chicago. It's like one of the wealthiest suburbs that exists apparently.

    I understand geolocating things for people internationally or wanting to help narrow down a location to a significant identifier in few words, but "chicago shooting" can and will and is currently being used by right wing news to connect it to how we're an apocalyptic wasteland of gang warfare to them and that's why it happened instead of any actual reason

    Per Wikipedia:
    Highland Park is a suburban city located in the southeastern part of Lake County, Illinois, United States, about 25 miles (40 km) north of downtown Chicago. Per the 2020 census, the population was 30,176. Highland Park is one of several municipalities located on the North Shore of the Chicago metropolitan area.

    I would argue that's not "completely" different, though obviously Highland Park is distinct from Chicago proper. Generally when a town is "a suburb" that means it's a suburb of another city, from which it is not generally considered to be meaningfully different.

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  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    I just saw this thread title right now and it made me panic a little because I live in actual Chicago and it took me a minute to realize it was about the previous shooting in Highland Park. I'm sure it's been talked about Highland Park is a completely different place than Chicago. It's North of Evanston which is north of Chicago. It's like one of the wealthiest suburbs that exists apparently.

    I understand geolocating things for people internationally or wanting to help narrow down a location to a significant identifier in few words, but "chicago shooting" can and will and is currently being used by right wing news to connect it to how we're an apocalyptic wasteland of gang warfare to them and that's why it happened instead of any actual reason

    Per Wikipedia:
    Highland Park is a suburban city located in the southeastern part of Lake County, Illinois, United States, about 25 miles (40 km) north of downtown Chicago. Per the 2020 census, the population was 30,176. Highland Park is one of several municipalities located on the North Shore of the Chicago metropolitan area.

    I would argue that's not "completely" different, though obviously Highland Park is distinct from Chicago proper. Generally when a town is "a suburb" that means it's a suburb of another city, from which it is not generally considered to be meaningfully different.

    You're quoting Wikipedia to folks who actually live in Chicago or its suburbs. Nobody from around here would ever refer to Highland Park as Chicago. It's not even in the same county.

    I guarantee you that folks who live in Chicago consider the suburbs to be meaningfully different, and vice-versa.

  • ToxTox I kill threads they/themRegistered User regular
    Or maybe i have it backwards and it's different but not meaningfully distinct.

    Either way, it's 25 miles.

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  • lunchbox12682lunchbox12682 MinnesotaRegistered User regular
    The current Chicago metropolitan area basically stretches to Milwaukee now. At least Racine, Wi. Chicagoland is pretty massive.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    At the same time, a mass shooting in the Hamptons is not a mass shooting in New York.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    I mean, doesn't the NYC metro basically sprawl all the way into New Jersey? "Metro" is a really loose term and shouldn't be conflated with the city.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    And the ex-prime minister of Japan was just shot at a campaign event.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/japan-shinzo-abe-shot-rcna37228

    Fucking can we be done with guns, period.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    I mean if we can't stop shootings in our own country I'm not sure what we could realistically do about someone who was shot in Japan (with a homemade gun).

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Homemade firearms are unavoidable (and pretty ineffective and usually pretty noticeable too). Anyone with some patience can manufacture traditional black powder from easy to acquire items

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    edited July 2022
    Its a tangent, but in this instance I think it was very effective.

    Anyone can build a primitive shotgun on their kitchen table with around $10-$15 worth of materials, which can be concealed anywhere you can conceal an 18-24" length of 3/4" pipe (inside of a coat, down a pant leg, whatever). It is not a complicated process either, if you can build a Lego set than you can build a firearm. If you duct tape a piece of scrap wood to it to function as a "stock" (to bring the entire thing to a minimum length) its even legal in most of the country.

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  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    Did the cops ever say why the second planned shooting fell through?

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Did the cops ever say why the second planned shooting fell through?

    Shooter hadn't planned it out and thought he had a higher chance of being caught/injured/killed if he went through with it.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    And the ex-prime minister of Japan was just shot at a campaign event.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/japan-shinzo-abe-shot-rcna37228

    Fucking can we be done with guns, period.

    The Reuters headline on this I saw made sure to point out that it was in in a gun free nation. The implication that that means gun restrictions are meaningless was disgusting.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/mostly-gun-free-nation-japanese-stunned-by-abe-killing-2022-07-08/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0jjphEv81I33j8PP5XbUx-9s1zkEI3tj7MrrMFJsOSvDqV3YWPajGKbMU

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I think it's more trying to give context to a nation that doesn't have shootings.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Japan averages ~24 gun deaths a year, trending downward. This assassination is not just rare for being an assassination, but for being a shooting period.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I think it's more trying to give context to a nation that doesn't have shootings.

    That makes sense. I may just be a bit reactionary from the general counter gun control response after this and Uvalde.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    It also looks like a homemade gun.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2022
    Its a tangent, but in this instance I think it was very effective.

    Anyone can build a primitive shotgun on their kitchen table with around $10-$15 worth of materials, which can be concealed anywhere you can conceal an 18-24" length of 3/4" pipe (inside of a coat, down a pant leg, whatever). It is not a complicated process either, if you can build a Lego set than you can build a firearm. If you duct tape a piece of scrap wood to it to function as a "stock" (to bring the entire thing to a minimum length) its even legal in most of the country.

    Please do not give handy tips for building your own firearm in the thread about a mass shooting, fucking Christ.

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