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[Elon Musk] A GDST

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From Wikipedia:
Elon Reeve Musk FRS (/ˈiːlɒn/ EE-lon; born June 28, 1971) is a business magnate and investor. He is the founder, CEO and chief engineer of SpaceX; angel investor, CEO and product architect of Tesla, Inc.; owner and CEO of Twitter, Inc.; founder of The Boring Company; co-founder of Neuralink and OpenAI; and president of the Musk Foundation. With an estimated net worth of around $171 billion as of December 8, 2022,[4] Musk is the wealthiest person in the world, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index and Forbes's real-time billionaires list.[5][6]

Musk was born in Pretoria, South Africa and briefly attended at the University of Pretoria before moving to Canada at age 18, acquiring citizenship through his Canadian-born mother. Two years later, he matriculated at Queen's University and transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where he received bachelor's degrees in economics and physics. He moved to California in 1995 to attend Stanford University. After two days, he dropped out and with his brother Kimbal, co-founded the online city guide software company Zip2. In 1999, Zip2 was acquired by Compaq and Musk co-founded the online bank X.com. X.com merged with Confinity in 2000 to form PayPal, but Musk was soon ousted from PayPal's board of directors.

In 2002, with his $175.8 million from eBay's acquisition of PayPal, Musk founded SpaceX, a spaceflight services company, and held CEO and chief engineer roles. In 2004, he was an early investor in the electric vehicle manufacturer Tesla Motors, Inc. (now Tesla, Inc.). He became its chairman and product architect, eventually assuming the position of CEO in 2008. In 2006, he helped create SolarCity, a solar energy company that was later acquired by Tesla and became Tesla Energy. In 2015, he co-founded OpenAI, a nonprofit artificial intelligence research company. The following year, he co-founded Neuralink—a neurotechnology company developing brain–computer interfaces—and The Boring Company, a tunnel construction company. In 2022, Musk purchased the social media platform Twitter for $44 billion. He has proposed a hyperloop high-speed vactrain transportation system, and is the president of the philanthropic Musk Foundation.

Musk has made controversial statements on politics and technology, particularly on Twitter, and is a polarizing figure. He has also been criticized for making unscientific and misleading statements, such as spreading COVID-19 misinformation. In 2018, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) sued Musk for falsely tweeting that he had secured funding for a private takeover of Tesla. Musk stepped down as chairman of Tesla and paid a $20 million fine as part of a settlement agreement with the SEC.

This thread is to talk about the piece of human garbage that is Elon Musk. He tweets about Covid or Lockdown, suddenly all the Covid thread is talking about is Musk. Let's not let every topic become about Musk, and instead confine his stupidity to this thread or threads where he truly is relevant and isn't just flailing about to distract from his latest disaster.

I love how his wikipedia spends more words talking about his education than his family's wealth and emerald mine ownership.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    SpaceX rather famously has an upside down management system designed to manage and pacify Musk largely separate from the sparser management structure Stockwell and Mueller (before he left for Impulse Aerospace) use to actually get stuff done.

    Musk has a pretty familiar management style. He fires people en masse while trying to say they resigned or abandoned the job. He constantly talks about the company being in crisis or on the verge of bankruptcy and calling on employees to overwork to fix it.

    Twitter is notably different from Tesla and SpaceX: those companies internally manage Musk's bullshit. Tesla struggles to rein him in and SpaceX couldn't completely avoid chasing geese for him, and a lot of sins in both companies can be traced right back to him, but because they have a system to manage him they manage to keep some stability of leadership and operation continuity.

    SpaceX has done a better job of this, but last year when he took over an engineering position at the Raptor 2 production line it all shone through. The company had everything staked on Starship and Starship hinged on the Raptor and production was behind and the company was doomed and everyone has to work on Christmas. The management system kicked in and they came up with a schedule that made it look like everyone was working way more than they were and production was fine - there was no reason to be making 50 engines a month for a program that's actually used less than 100 on the last year.

    However, Twitter had no system to manage him, and when he arrived they actually let HIM manage the company. And look where shit is literally two months later.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    SpaceX rather famously has an upside down management system designed to manage and pacify Musk largely separate from the sparser management structure Stockwell and Mueller (before he left for Impulse Aerospace) use to actually get stuff done.

    Musk has a pretty familiar management style. He fires people en masse while trying to say they resigned or abandoned the job. He constantly talks about the company being in crisis or on the verge of bankruptcy and calling on employees to overwork to fix it.

    Twitter is notably different from Tesla and SpaceX: those companies internally manage Musk's bullshit. Tesla struggles to rein him in and SpaceX couldn't completely avoid chasing geese for him, and a lot of sins in both companies can be traced right back to him, but because they have a system to manage him they manage to keep some stability of leadership and operation continuity.

    SpaceX has done a better job of this, but last year when he took over an engineering position at the Raptor 2 production line it all shone through. The company had everything staked on Starship and Starship hinged on the Raptor and production was behind and the company was doomed and everyone has to work on Christmas. The management system kicked in and they came up with a schedule that made it look like everyone was working way more than they were and production was fine - there was no reason to be making 50 engines a month for a program that's actually used less than 100 on the last year.

    However, Twitter had no system to manage him, and when he arrived they actually let HIM manage the company. And look where shit is literally two months later.

    The problem with managing around a missing stair is that it insulates them from the consequences of their actions. Which in turn teaches them that their policies "work".

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    Fuck 'em

  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    I often wonder if the cyber truck was Musk's design.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    I often wonder if the cyber truck was Musk's design.

    It's a truck that fails at the key aspects of being a truck.

    So likely yes.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    It also doesn't fit any design aspects that are common between the other Tesla vehicles. Even their semi has some clear lineage from the cars, but there's none of that in the truck.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    I often wonder if the cyber truck was Musk's design.

    Everything you probably don't like about the model 3 (the fact it has no buttons, a pathetic instrument panel and tiny wing mirrors) were entirely elons ideas, forced on the company as people screamed about how stupid they were.

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  • SealSeal Registered User regular
    I often wonder if the cyber truck was Musk's design.

    The designer is the guy who threw the steel ball at the window, Franz von Holzhausen.

  • ArchpriestArchpriest Fmr timfiji Halfway2AnywhereRegistered User regular
    What does GDST stand for?

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    TimFiji wrote: »
    What does GDST stand for?

    Explosive Ordinance Disposal

    (actually goddamn separate thread)

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  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    TimFiji wrote: »
    What does GDST stand for?

    God Damned Separate Thread, it's basically what we use when a topic keeps showing up that isn't directly relevant to the original topic, and probably warrants its own thread so the original thread(s) can stay on topic.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    SpaceX rather famously has an upside down management system designed to manage and pacify Musk largely separate from the sparser management structure Stockwell and Mueller (before he left for Impulse Aerospace) use to actually get stuff done.

    Musk has a pretty familiar management style. He fires people en masse while trying to say they resigned or abandoned the job. He constantly talks about the company being in crisis or on the verge of bankruptcy and calling on employees to overwork to fix it.

    Twitter is notably different from Tesla and SpaceX: those companies internally manage Musk's bullshit. Tesla struggles to rein him in and SpaceX couldn't completely avoid chasing geese for him, and a lot of sins in both companies can be traced right back to him, but because they have a system to manage him they manage to keep some stability of leadership and operation continuity.

    SpaceX has done a better job of this, but last year when he took over an engineering position at the Raptor 2 production line it all shone through. The company had everything staked on Starship and Starship hinged on the Raptor and production was behind and the company was doomed and everyone has to work on Christmas. The management system kicked in and they came up with a schedule that made it look like everyone was working way more than they were and production was fine - there was no reason to be making 50 engines a month for a program that's actually used less than 100 on the last year.

    However, Twitter had no system to manage him, and when he arrived they actually let HIM manage the company. And look where shit is literally two months later.

    The problem with managing around a missing stair is that it insulates them from the consequences of their actions. Which in turn teaches them that their policies "work".

    Definitely not ideal, but when the missing stair can fire you if you point out that it's missing, your best bet is probably to trick it into thinking that wedged under a dead elephant in a defunct zoo is the perfect place for a stair to be, A+ stairing, no notes.

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    It would be weird if the twitter purchase was a seed planted by a high up manager who just wanted 5 minutes of peace and quiet to get back to their real job and Elon to stop bothering them.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    SpaceX rather famously has an upside down management system designed to manage and pacify Musk largely separate from the sparser management structure Stockwell and Mueller (before he left for Impulse Aerospace) use to actually get stuff done.

    Musk has a pretty familiar management style. He fires people en masse while trying to say they resigned or abandoned the job. He constantly talks about the company being in crisis or on the verge of bankruptcy and calling on employees to overwork to fix it.

    Twitter is notably different from Tesla and SpaceX: those companies internally manage Musk's bullshit. Tesla struggles to rein him in and SpaceX couldn't completely avoid chasing geese for him, and a lot of sins in both companies can be traced right back to him, but because they have a system to manage him they manage to keep some stability of leadership and operation continuity.

    SpaceX has done a better job of this, but last year when he took over an engineering position at the Raptor 2 production line it all shone through. The company had everything staked on Starship and Starship hinged on the Raptor and production was behind and the company was doomed and everyone has to work on Christmas. The management system kicked in and they came up with a schedule that made it look like everyone was working way more than they were and production was fine - there was no reason to be making 50 engines a month for a program that's actually used less than 100 on the last year.

    However, Twitter had no system to manage him, and when he arrived they actually let HIM manage the company. And look where shit is literally two months later.

    The problem with managing around a missing stair is that it insulates them from the consequences of their actions. Which in turn teaches them that their policies "work".

    Definitely not ideal, but when the missing stair can fire you if you point out that it's missing, your best bet is probably to trick it into thinking that wedged under a dead elephant in a defunct zoo is the perfect place for a stair to be, A+ stairing, no notes.

    Also doesn’t Tesla somewhat depend on Musk being the hype man?

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    I often wonder if the cyber truck was Musk's design.

    I think I saw a video many years ago explaining that the design was partly about branding and being unique, and partly about wanting to be a tank with the strongest possible steel and apparently that steel is really hard to bend and curve resulting in jagged edges.

    Of course, "branding and being unique" doesn't work when now everyone associates the company with being a toxic asshole, and using the strongest possible steel doesn't seem to be a meaningful must have.

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  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    SpaceX rather famously has an upside down management system designed to manage and pacify Musk largely separate from the sparser management structure Stockwell and Mueller (before he left for Impulse Aerospace) use to actually get stuff done.

    Musk has a pretty familiar management style. He fires people en masse while trying to say they resigned or abandoned the job. He constantly talks about the company being in crisis or on the verge of bankruptcy and calling on employees to overwork to fix it.

    Twitter is notably different from Tesla and SpaceX: those companies internally manage Musk's bullshit. Tesla struggles to rein him in and SpaceX couldn't completely avoid chasing geese for him, and a lot of sins in both companies can be traced right back to him, but because they have a system to manage him they manage to keep some stability of leadership and operation continuity.

    SpaceX has done a better job of this, but last year when he took over an engineering position at the Raptor 2 production line it all shone through. The company had everything staked on Starship and Starship hinged on the Raptor and production was behind and the company was doomed and everyone has to work on Christmas. The management system kicked in and they came up with a schedule that made it look like everyone was working way more than they were and production was fine - there was no reason to be making 50 engines a month for a program that's actually used less than 100 on the last year.

    However, Twitter had no system to manage him, and when he arrived they actually let HIM manage the company. And look where shit is literally two months later.

    The problem with managing around a missing stair is that it insulates them from the consequences of their actions. Which in turn teaches them that their policies "work".

    Definitely not ideal, but when the missing stair can fire you if you point out that it's missing, your best bet is probably to trick it into thinking that wedged under a dead elephant in a defunct zoo is the perfect place for a stair to be, A+ stairing, no notes.

    Also doesn’t Tesla somewhat depend on Musk being the hype man?

    I have to think they'd prefer something like a more straightforward PR branch instead of the megaphone-with-a-soapbox situation of all their news coming from one specific jackass. The SEC did force Tesla to start running all of Musk's company-related tweets through a lawyer filter starting in 2018, but who knows if that's still going on.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Orca wrote: »
    I often wonder if the cyber truck was Musk's design.

    I think I saw a video many years ago explaining that the design was partly about branding and being unique, and partly about wanting to be a tank with the strongest possible steel and apparently that steel is really hard to bend and curve resulting in jagged edges.

    Of course, "branding and being unique" doesn't work when now everyone associates the company with being a toxic asshole, and using the strongest possible steel doesn't seem to be a meaningful must have.

    Except I *want* my car to have crumple zones instead of hurling my delicate human body into a steel wall if an SUV hits me.

    Cars used to be made ridiculously sturdy. A 50's Cadillac might drive away from an accident that would total a new one. The difference is the old car's driver is only identifiable from dental records and the new car's driver walked away.

    Of course, the harder a steel is to bend, in general the more brittle it is to impacts. There was a competitor on BattleBots last year that ran into that - they used the hardest steel they could afford and it would crack or shatter every fight while their opponents, using softer steel, didn't. So I'm not sure the description of cybertruck using crazy unbendable steel gives even the comfort of an old car driving away from a bloodbath.

    Hevach on
  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    It would be weird if the twitter purchase was a seed planted by a high up manager who just wanted 5 minutes of peace and quiet to get back to their real job and Elon to stop bothering them.

    That would be the much better story, but from his messages that leaked during the trial, it appears to have been an idea planted by his 2nd ex-wife because The Babylon Bee account got banned on Twitter.

  • HefflingHeffling No Pic EverRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    SpaceX rather famously has an upside down management system designed to manage and pacify Musk largely separate from the sparser management structure Stockwell and Mueller (before he left for Impulse Aerospace) use to actually get stuff done.

    Musk has a pretty familiar management style. He fires people en masse while trying to say they resigned or abandoned the job. He constantly talks about the company being in crisis or on the verge of bankruptcy and calling on employees to overwork to fix it.

    Twitter is notably different from Tesla and SpaceX: those companies internally manage Musk's bullshit. Tesla struggles to rein him in and SpaceX couldn't completely avoid chasing geese for him, and a lot of sins in both companies can be traced right back to him, but because they have a system to manage him they manage to keep some stability of leadership and operation continuity.

    SpaceX has done a better job of this, but last year when he took over an engineering position at the Raptor 2 production line it all shone through. The company had everything staked on Starship and Starship hinged on the Raptor and production was behind and the company was doomed and everyone has to work on Christmas. The management system kicked in and they came up with a schedule that made it look like everyone was working way more than they were and production was fine - there was no reason to be making 50 engines a month for a program that's actually used less than 100 on the last year.

    However, Twitter had no system to manage him, and when he arrived they actually let HIM manage the company. And look where shit is literally two months later.

    The problem with managing around a missing stair is that it insulates them from the consequences of their actions. Which in turn teaches them that their policies "work".

    Definitely not ideal, but when the missing stair can fire you if you point out that it's missing, your best bet is probably to trick it into thinking that wedged under a dead elephant in a defunct zoo is the perfect place for a stair to be, A+ stairing, no notes.

    Musk is the kind of guy to brag about winning a stairing contest.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    So I went and looked up pictures of the cybertruck to remind myself of what exactly it is and really... It looks like something that would have been designed for a 1970's direct to video sci-fi movie.

  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    It looks like a SNES SuperFX model.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    So I went and looked up pictures of the cybertruck to remind myself of what exactly it is and really... It looks like something that would have been designed for a 1970's direct to video sci-fi movie.

    Logan's Run would've been embarrassed by that blocky POS.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    The Cybertruck design is basically Elon Musk telling everyone that if you want to be cool like him, you have to pee your pants.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRpouK0KmWQ

    And it might have worked out if it came out when he initially promised. But now, everyone realizes that Elon deserves no points and may God have mercy on his soul.

    The initial run will probably sell out because that's true for the car market in general right now, and because Elon does have a sizeable fan base. But I doubt it will ever take off the way he needs it too. He just launched the Tesla semi, which actually does seem to be better than the competing battery semis (largely because the idea of a battery semi is stupid), and Tesla stock is right where it was before the announcement.

    Cyber truck will be a much harder sell than the Tesla semi.

    I assume that number of people who a) enjoy that aesthetic, b) have the money, and c) vote republican is tiny.

  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Here's that really good twitter thread, including sources, about how all of Musk's claims re: his education are lies, and how he is a hack fraud



    Always nice to have handy to reference imo. What a fucking joke that guy is.

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  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    I'm surprised they didn't bring up fraud at for the shareholder suit. It the justification for the compensation is that space Karen is an irreplaceable genius, then the fact that Karen lied about his credentials is kind of important.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    Wish he'd just fixed world hunger like he said he was going to.

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  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    Wish he'd just fixed world hunger like he said he was going to.

    I wish he’d avoided fucking up the easy pr win he earned with donating starlink to Ukraine by making noise about being paid for it and his peace proposal that was basically just “give Putin whatever he wants.”

  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    I used to have an opinion of "Hate the artist - love the art" opinion of Musk as Starship was being built. I'm a big space nerd and went into avionics because my father was in avionics. My dad used to work for Marten-Marietta back in the day, and was a procedural programmer for the space shuttle orbiter.

    Nowadays, I'm finding everything that Musk touches makes my tummy hurt. When Tim Dodd (The Everyday Astronaut) announced he was going to the moon on the "Dear Moon" project, I actually felt a little sad for him.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    Wish he'd just fixed world hunger like he said he was going to.

    I wish he’d avoided fucking up the easy pr win he earned with donating starlink to Ukraine by making noise about being paid for it and his peace proposal that was basically just “give Putin whatever he wants.”

    Shotwell and the guy who funds the Polaris Dawn program set up Starlink while Musk was distracted with some other shit going on in another company.

    At some point he decided to take over Starlink for a while and did what he always does: cries fire in a crowded theater and then locks the doors until everyone tramples it out.

    Admittedly Starlink is a known cash furnace. The base units that retail for $200 cost $500 to make, the v1 satellites don't have the longevity to get costs down by volume, so losses extend to the service and get worse the more users there are, especially when they're clustered.

    Shotwell knew all that when she set up the deal, but Starlink is 100% a testbed program, and with it losing our on rural broadband money on technicalities that have kept almost anyone except scams getting anything they needed to test new use cases. OneWeb is being set up specifically for military use cases and she made the call to challenge them on that group.

    Musk stuck his dick in it and now here we are.

    Now, there's some dispute here yet. The original deal was apparently silent on who actually pays for the service. The Pentagon and SpaceX each paid for their assigned numbers of units but not the service. The media reported that the SERVICE was being donated as well, and nobody corrected it.

    When Musk took a look at Starlink's completely expected tire fire financials and did the same thing he did when he took interest in the Raptor 2 production line, he was gleefully willing to use that mistake to try and double bill.

    Hevach on
  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    Dumped my couple shares of TSLA today based on how completely disgusted I am of the man. I know it means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I feel slightly better.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    So I went and looked up pictures of the cybertruck to remind myself of what exactly it is and really... It looks like something that would have been designed for a 1970's direct to video sci-fi movie.

    80s actually. It's the truck from Megaforce (1982)

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    I'd still rather have an Enforcer from Space Mutiny.

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  • TetraNitroCubaneTetraNitroCubane Not Angry... Just VERY Disappointed...Registered User regular
    edited December 2022
    I'd still rather have an Enforcer from Space Mutiny.

    They can reach speeds of 3! Let's see a Cybertruck do THAT.

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    It would be weird if the twitter purchase was a seed planted by a high up manager who just wanted 5 minutes of peace and quiet to get back to their real job and Elon to stop bothering them.

    From what I've read about this, it wasn't so much a company manager needing five whole minutes to themselves but his billionaire buddies egging him on.

    "Go buy Twitter, Elon!"
    "Yeah man, you know you can do it!"
    "Make them eat their liberal shit!"
    etc, etc, and so on.

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  • EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Gaddez wrote: »
    So I went and looked up pictures of the cybertruck to remind myself of what exactly it is and really... It looks like something that would have been designed for a 1970's direct to video sci-fi movie.

    80s actually. It's the truck from Megaforce (1982)

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    An awful live action GI Joe? Sign me the hell up!

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Hummer of all things made an electric truck that not going to lie looks pretty nice when I'm getting shot to shit in COD DMZ in it.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    The Cybertruck design is basically Elon Musk telling everyone that if you want to be cool like him, you have to pee your pants.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRpouK0KmWQ

    And it might have worked out if it came out when he initially promised. But now, everyone realizes that Elon deserves no points and may God have mercy on his soul.

    The initial run will probably sell out because that's true for the car market in general right now, and because Elon does have a sizeable fan base. But I doubt it will ever take off the way he needs it too. He just launched the Tesla semi, which actually does seem to be better than the competing battery semis (largely because the idea of a battery semi is stupid), and Tesla stock is right where it was before the announcement.

    Cyber truck will be a much harder sell than the Tesla semi.

    I assume that number of people who a) enjoy that aesthetic, b) have the money, and c) vote republican is tiny.

    Questions about their data thanks to a lack of transparency started almost immediately.

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-semi-500-mile-trip-video-shows-truck-may-have-had-lower-gvw-than-81000-lb-205897.html#

    Maybe the tesla semi is better than the competition, but it's looks an awful lot like they fudged their numbers.

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