So it’s come to this: another [movies] thread

Atomika

This is where we discuss movies that aren’t Star Wars movies or superhero movies because those already have their own threads.

Ground rules:
- articulate your opinions!
- that’s it


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So, like Kubrick said: Get out there and git‘er dun

xXx_bLunTmaSTeR_420x69?

Aha the beginning of a thread

The best time to ruin it

Do you have any good resources on learning what happens in the editing room? It is very black box to me but I dont think my film history thing is gonna get there and it feels vital as things go from long, expensive reels to more edit-heavy ones

Atomika

Tumin wrote: »

Aha the beginning of a thread

The best time to ruin it

Do you have any good resources on learning what happens in the editing room? It is very black box to me but I dont think my film history thing is gonna get there.

Sure! Added to the OP 😊

Gim

The editing room is a magical place where you realize that shots are slightly out of focus and you weep.

DiannaoChong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcIfV7yIH1A

We don't need any film criticism youtubes, because this is just the best film, and all you need.

Atomika

Gim wrote: »

The editing room is a magical place where you realize that shots are slightly out of focus and you weep.

That’s when you add a weird color filter and say it’s a dream sequence

Johnny Chopsocky

Gim wrote: »

The editing room is a magical place where you realize that shots are slightly out of focus and you weep.

I'm the absolute baby version of this: someone who helps edit video for my local news between shows, and I fucking feel this.

Gotta match the visuals to the speaking cadence of someone who is going to talk over the video live. Gotta have enough to cover the entire anchor/reporter read and then some. Gotta account for vocal stumbling. Gotta keep the shots up long enough for viewers to process what they're looking at. Gotta look for unairable things in the shots (dead bodies, obscene signs, etc). Gotta find something to cover the out of focus street interview the photographer shot.

And that's for a 30 second part of a newscast. I can only shudder at the madness of assembling hours of footage and coverage and takes into a coherent story that both sounds good and feels good to watch.

Commander Zoom

it's an artistic choice!
oh god oh god i fucked up

emnmnme

Atomika

I recognize that tub of popcorn!

It was in a porn I watched

You’ll never believe what was at the bottom

Gim

It's wild watching old movies, especially Italian neorealism films that are considered classics, and noticing that shots are soft all the time.

Then you realize that, up until a certain point, most productions didn't have access to video taps or live monitor feeds and they were just hoping everything looked good in the dailies. Focus pullers had to do it by feel and timing.

RMS Oceanic

I reiterate that Banshee of Inisherin has given me the melancholy

Gyral

Atomika wrote: »

I recognize that tub of popcorn!

It was in a porn I watched

You’ll never believe what was at the bottom

Way too many unpopped kernels in a pool of not butter?

Gim

Johnny Chopsocky wrote: »

Gim wrote: »

The editing room is a magical place where you realize that shots are slightly out of focus and you weep.

I'm the absolute baby version of this: someone who helps edit video for my local news between shows, and I fucking feel this.

Gotta match the visuals to the speaking cadence of someone who is going to talk over the video live. Gotta have enough to cover the entire anchor/reporter read and then some. Gotta account for vocal stumbling. Gotta keep the shots up long enough for viewers to process what they're looking at. Gotta look for unairable things in the shots (dead bodies, obscene signs, etc). Gotta find something to cover the out of focus street interview the photographer shot.

And that's for a 30 second part of a newscast. I can only shudder at the madness of assembling hours of footage and coverage and takes into a coherent story that both sounds good and feels good to watch.

I do assistant editing for reality TV right now. It's a different ball of wax because most films aren't going to be shooting with anywhere near that many cameras, but the act of simply taking in everything that's been shot and trying to create any sort of shape and order is a real skill that I have the utmost respect for.

AbsoluteZero

Should have put "rise" in the thread title. See if we wind up with an inferior sequel.

Beyond Normal

Atomika wrote: »

I recognize that tub of popcorn!

It was in a porn I watched

You’ll never believe what was at the bottom

A decoder ring?

MegaMan001

Maybe he's here to fix the cable

Johnny Chopsocky

Editing is weird. First time watching a movie, you'll only notice editing if it's incredibly bad. If it's poor or mediocre or just good or even great, it'll just be a background noise ranging from off-putting to unpleasant to pleasant to exhilarating, and even then you'll only figure out why on a rewatch or analysis.

So basically, it's cinematic spice. Often overlooked or treated by consumers as a "fuck it I can add salt who cares", but when it hits right it makes the dish.

ElJeffe

I'm rewatching Glass Onion and I just noticed that in the flashback in the second half, Miles is dressed as Frank Mackey from Magnolia.

Tenzytile

RIP Carlos Saura

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8y-O4Wha1w

RazielMortem

There's a reason the expression 'saved in the edit' exists. Star Wars was godawful before Marcia Lucas (George's wife but an accomplished editor before they married) took it into edit and swapped scenes around and cut the Luke on Tatooine with his mates scenes. It's sort of why the Biggs stuff makes little sense - the early scenes with him got cut.
Editing is often over looked (direction, photography etc) but it's crucial to delivering a tight, well paced story and a good edit can totally change the atmosphere and story.
Passengers should have been edited to put the early Pratt scenes in the middle rather than at the start. Then at least there would be some mystery and Pratt's performance would come across as creepy rather than flat.

shryke

RazielMortem wrote: »

There's a reason the expression 'saved in the edit' exists. Star Wars was godawful before Marcia Lucas (George's wife but an accomplished editor before they married) took it into edit and swapped scenes around and cut the Luke on Tatooine with his mates scenes. It's sort of why the Biggs stuff makes little sense - the early scenes with him got cut.
Editing is often over looked (direction, photography etc) but it's crucial to delivering a tight, well paced story and a good edit can totally change the atmosphere and story.
Passengers should have been edited to put the early Pratt scenes in the middle rather than at the start. Then at least there would be some mystery and Pratt's performance would come across as creepy rather than flat.

I don't agree. The first like half of that movie is what makes it work. The fact that we empathize with Pratt's character and the feeling of a looming disaster as we know the secret has to eventually come out are all really interesting.

The problem with Passengers is they wrote themselves a setup they had no clue how to write an ending for.

TexiKen

The Card Counter (HBO) is an overall good movie if you liked Paul Schrader's other works carried by the acting and mostly getting the slow burn right, but when hits the curb it dings the movie hard, yo. You can see Schrader using the same ingredients as Taxi Driver or Raging Bull or American Gigolo, but he moves it around and it doesn't always work like those.

The gist of the story is Apocalypse is a former prisoner who learned how to count cards in the clink and now travels casinos making just enough at each location to not get popped by the hotel. He lives below his means, rents cheap motel rooms, and disconnects everything and covers all things in the room in sheets so as to not mess up the routine he grew comfort in behind bars. But at one casino he runs in Cyclops while the two are listening to a speech by Norman Osborn, all three are connected by events in the past, and then the layers are slowly peeled away. I'm not saying more because it did swerve in a way I didn't expect and made me take interest and it's an interesting attempt to merge two wildly different stories.

The movie is carried by Oscar Isaac, who does a great job as someone who has a routine and it's done to keep the demons from rising to the top, but his attempts to be more normal raise that just enough in places to make the pressure valve pop. He's very believable in this situation and I wish he would do more things like this than "they fly now!" Tye Sheridan deserves more work because he's believable as someone who is just lost in life, and while he acts annoying or full of himself like the Gen Z character he portrays it's never to the point where I don't get upset when he's onscreen. You do get a sense between the two they're trying to right their ships by working together. Tiffany Haddish worked as basically a gambling talent scout up until the movie requires a romance subplot which doesn't feel genuine. This was one of those movies that looked like it was almost finished before Covid hit and then screwed things up, but it doesn't feel that way given the places and time of the scenes. The biggest issue I have with everything from the presentation is too much mopey music by some new rock loser and how everything is shot digital instead of film, creating too much of a sanitized look and too much depth of field which makes some casino scenes just look lacking.

If you want a gambling movie, this is more an appetizer or starter salad than a main course. And in terms of dramas with gambling there's much better recent movies like Uncut Gems, The Gambler '14, even Wild Card, but like I said if you like Schrader's stuff, and you want to see one of Isaac's best performances, give it a watch.

Tenzytile

It is sort of funny that Paul Schrader can just take the end of Pickpocket and then go "I think I'll do that", and then do exactly that it at least four of his films. Like the exact same situation and ending gesture.

Anyways I liked The Card Counter. It feels a bit thrown together, but it treats its psychology and criticism of American society with care and originality. His movies aren't perfect, but they're certainly his. Schrader can just keeping making sad, lonely man movies because no one else in America does it as convincingly.

Xeddicus

shryke wrote: »

RazielMortem wrote: »

There's a reason the expression 'saved in the edit' exists. Star Wars was godawful before Marcia Lucas (George's wife but an accomplished editor before they married) took it into edit and swapped scenes around and cut the Luke on Tatooine with his mates scenes. It's sort of why the Biggs stuff makes little sense - the early scenes with him got cut.
Editing is often over looked (direction, photography etc) but it's crucial to delivering a tight, well paced story and a good edit can totally change the atmosphere and story.
Passengers should have been edited to put the early Pratt scenes in the middle rather than at the start. Then at least there would be some mystery and Pratt's performance would come across as creepy rather than flat.

I don't agree. The first like half of that movie is what makes it work. The fact that we empathize with Pratt's character and the feeling of a looming disaster as we know the secret has to eventually come out are all really interesting.

The problem with Passengers is they wrote themselves a setup they had no clue how to write an ending for.

The problem with Passengers is the people who saw it and didn't like the ending.

Paladin

Xeddicus wrote: »

shryke wrote: »

RazielMortem wrote: »

There's a reason the expression 'saved in the edit' exists. Star Wars was godawful before Marcia Lucas (George's wife but an accomplished editor before they married) took it into edit and swapped scenes around and cut the Luke on Tatooine with his mates scenes. It's sort of why the Biggs stuff makes little sense - the early scenes with him got cut.
Editing is often over looked (direction, photography etc) but it's crucial to delivering a tight, well paced story and a good edit can totally change the atmosphere and story.
Passengers should have been edited to put the early Pratt scenes in the middle rather than at the start. Then at least there would be some mystery and Pratt's performance would come across as creepy rather than flat.

I don't agree. The first like half of that movie is what makes it work. The fact that we empathize with Pratt's character and the feeling of a looming disaster as we know the secret has to eventually come out are all really interesting.

The problem with Passengers is they wrote themselves a setup they had no clue how to write an ending for.

The problem with Passengers is the people who saw it and didn't like the ending.

Like, the original sperm bank ending or the theatrical release?

Xeddicus

The later. Lot of people seem to zone out the 2nd half, even it is lame how the ship falls apart and no one notices for <reasons>.

Gnome-Interruptus

Watched The Estate on Amazon

Extremely by the numbers movie, but the actors had some fun with it so it didn’t drag.

Definitely felt unnecessarily mean spirited to the D&D loving half sister, and for a movie that revolves around family the family dynamics are criminally under explained, as well as just how the estate came to be in the first place.

Not a bad watch though at a fairly tight 90 or so minutes

cj iwakura

I finally caught up on/finished(?) the Jurassic World saga. I enjoyed Fallen Kingdom a lot more than I expected, and Dominion was way stupider than I expected, but at least it ended on a strongish note.

All the JW films are thoroughly silly, but they're at least watchable, though I can only get beat over the head with Greed Is Evil so many times by the end of the trilogy.


Oh, and if they were going to go full crazy with character revivals:

Why stop with Dodgson? Bring back Nedry as an AI-powered robot that looks like ED-209, let's go full psycho.

raging_storm

cj iwakura wrote: »

I finally caught up on/finished(?) the Jurassic World saga. I enjoyed Fallen Kingdom a lot more than I expected, and Dominion was way stupider than I expected, but at least it ended on a strongish note.

All the JW films are thoroughly silly, but they're at least watchable, though I can only get beat over the head with Greed Is Evil so many times by the end of the trilogy.


Oh, and if they were going to go full crazy with character revivals:

Why stop with Dodgson? Bring back Nedry as an AI-powered robot that looks like ED-209, let's go full psycho.

I love all of them but then I am a kid at heart. I just want to watch lizards/birds eat people. Simple man. Simple pleasures. Give me more Sexy Rexy stomping about and eating things. Plot? Who cares! I loved the hell out of Blue and those moments.

Desy

I gave Jurassic World a shot. It was alright, nothing great. But it just wasn't good enough to keep watching.

Alas, I did not buy Chris Pratt as an action hero for any scene. He just looked constipated in most scenes.

flamebroiledchicken

Watched Demons, which was delightful 80s Italian zombie shlock. This is a movie that has a scene where the main character rides a motorcycle through a packed movie theater while decapitating zombies with a katana, which is pretty much why cinema was invented. The gore effects are goopy and gross, the soundtrack is wall-to-wall 80s rock bangers (Accept, Saxon, Motley Crue, Billy Idol, Go West, Pretty Maids, Rick Springfield, etc), the plot is wonderfully stupid and nonsensical, there's even some fun meta stuff with the victims being a horror movie audience but the movie doesn't try to get too clever or up its own ass with it. It knows what type of movie it is. Argento produced it, so it looks and sounds good, but it's definitely dumber and sillier than any of the movies he directed himself. If you've got Shudder, it's a fun time.

matt has a problem

John Wick 4 is going to come in at 169 minutes long apparently. The previous films were 101, 122, and 131 respectively.

Atomika

More like

John Wick 4-and-a-half





_{fucken gottem}

Doctor Detroit

More like John Wick 4ever with that runtime.

Marathon

With an extra 30-ish minutes, John should be able to kill about 6000 more of his fellow assassins dumb enough to think they’ll be the one that actually gets him this time.

matt has a problem

Hey John Wick 4 editor, what number are we thinking of

nexuscrawler

Really?

Both JW2 and 3 were fun enough films that could've easily been 20 mins shorter

Deadfall

JW 4 being that long makes me very pleased. Our theater we bought out a few years ago and completely remodeled with a full bar, decent food (for a theater) and 100 percent big comfy reclining seats. Gonna have a few beers and watch John Wick take on all of New York and Paris.

Gim

In an unexpected twist, the vast majority of John Wick 4's run time will be John taking care of a new puppy.

SatanIsMyMotor

I'm one of the people that think the John Wick movies are pretty bad so the idea of one running almost 3 hours is basically movie kryptonite to me.