Yeah hopefully the idiot suits in charge of making dumb overpriced office anchors don't sink the stuff. There's still all sorts of cool stuff happening in independent VR spaces, partially because they know what the stuff is and are interested in making it excel at being that, rather than trying to force it into places it doesn't function.
yeah I'm actually enthusiastic about VR stuff, as I have a immunocompromised partner and going places for real socialization is extremely difficult to finagle. VRChat lets us both "go out" and hang out with folks in weirdo places and bars and whatever without having to worry about the ongoing COVID pandemic or being treated as weirdos for wearing masks in public still.
The Apple headset does not look like a headset made by anyone who knows anything about where VR has been for a long time. There were no interesting avatar options, it was obsessed with mixed reality stuff. Also for some reason you're playing non-VR games with a VR headset? Using a PS5 controller? (Is Sony aware that Apple is just like "yeah don't even both getting a PSVR2, you can play with our headset"??) There were zero VR games actually shown, which does not strike me as a way of demonstrating your interest in VR.
I really hope they get VRChat into PSVR2 stuff because that's really one of the best headsets I've seen lately. There's a lot of good stuff going on in VR right now, it's just weighed down with all this big company productivity CEO brained bullshit.
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I remember back in the day holding a mobile device in my hand that I had been told was a phone that could browse the internet and play games. From everything I had heard this would be life changing for a lot of the world.
It was the Tiger Game.com and it sucked.
That's where VR has been for the past few years. Everybody hyping it isn't wrong that there will be a device similar to it that is a massive cultural shift they're just calling that shot about a decade too early. People act like the smart phone was an overnight thing. Between now and the Tiger Game.com there were a lot of years of trying to sell people on a smart device. It makes sense that Apple would be out there charging $3500 for VR. The first iPhone cost like $600 and had a 3.5 inch screen and 4 gigs of storage. It was a thing for people who have tech journalist jobs to spend too much money on. We are there.
I guess for me what does vr do that people want done? Like most of what I hear like tours or gaming its not a need kind of thing like smart phones were.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
He says right there he's seen it glow. Sounds legitimate to me.
What if magic does exist but the only way to access it is by doing incredibly stupid and embarrassing stuff that nobody in their right mind would admit to doing, at least until the invention of the internet eliminated shame?
I guess for me what does vr do that people want done? Like most of what I hear like tours or gaming its not a need kind of thing like smart phones were.
you can fuck a genderbent optimus prime with huge knockers in 3d
I guess for me what does vr do that people want done? Like most of what I hear like tours or gaming its not a need kind of thing like smart phones were.
you can fuck a genderbent optimus prime with huge knockers in 3d
As enticing as that could be, I'm going to have to pass.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I guess for me what does vr do that people want done? Like most of what I hear like tours or gaming its not a need kind of thing like smart phones were.
you can fuck a genderbent optimus prime with huge knockers in 3d
As enticing as that could be, I'm going to have to pass.
Virtual/Augmented Reality as an office tool is an unsellable product. An uncomfortable and complicated machine that you expect a 50 year old to wear for an hour, talking five times during that time. But the ecosystem of tech sales means your entire infrastructure refuses to try to sell it any other way.
the only business use I've seen for AR, at the literal very beginning of AR really trying to take off, was in manufacturing where you could use it for large warehouse spaces and complicated work and you can overlay like, lanes etc.
Using it in an office setting is insanity, the person on the bed who brings up the wall street journal on her fucking face looks like a complete alien, it is hard to believe they make these videos and someone goes "yeah this looks very normal, people will love this"
I guess for me what does vr do that people want done? Like most of what I hear like tours or gaming its not a need kind of thing like smart phones were.
you can fuck a genderbent optimus prime with huge knockers in 3d
As enticing as that could be, I'm going to have to pass.
I love the meeting spaces for VR and then it's just the same layout Teams uses.
Cool, I definitely want to shell out $3500 to use Teams instead of just opening it up on my screen for the exact same display except everyone will be wearing dumb goggles, or I'll be looking at shitty avatars.
Virtual/Augmented Reality as an office tool is an unsellable product. An uncomfortable and complicated machine that you expect a 50 year old to wear for an hour, talking five times during that time. But the ecosystem of tech sales means your entire infrastructure refuses to try to sell it any other way.
the only business use I've seen for AR, at the literal very beginning of AR really trying to take off, was in manufacturing where you could use it for large warehouse spaces and complicated work and you can overlay like, lanes etc.
Using it in an office setting is insanity, the person on the bed who brings up the wall street journal on her fucking face looks like a complete alien, it is hard to believe they make these videos and someone goes "yeah this looks very normal, people will love this"
It would be so fucking good for training and for design reviews of industrial facilities.
which, I mean, sure, it's a pretty cool scene, but the description seems to be overselling it a bit (emphasis mine -- maybe I just don't know enough about the history of TV, I guess?)
The "In the Air Tonight" Scene is arguably the most memorable and famous scene from the Miami Vice television series, and is regularly cited as one of the greatest, most influential moments in the history of television.
It doesn't seem influential to you looking back at it now because it was literally the first show to do a thing that pretty much all prestige television does now.
It's still a really fucking cool scene as well, I love it
I know I shouldn't make broad sweeping statements about things I don't actually understand but I am a Man on the Internet so fuck it
VR is only ever going to be good for gaming. When it works it's really fuckin cool. Swinging a sword at a guy and blocking his attack with your own actual movements or reloading a gun in VR is super satisfying in a very different way than normal games. Not really better per se but definitely it's own thing you just can't get anywhere else. While I've never played it Half Life: Alyx is maybe the closest thing to an actual, AAA VR experience we've really had and it looks (and seems to play)incredible. But it's still the standard janky point to teleport style gameplay that most VR games are. If we could ever figure out a way to make movement more intuitive I think it would see a lot more traction in the general market and really elevate those kinds of cool experiences, even if it never dethrones consoles or standard PC gaming.
However, I would rather suck start a shotgun than use VR to attend a meeting with a cartoon coworker or host a conference or something. Most people seem to agree with me here. Trying to gamify work is stupid and people don't want it.
Investing in making VR better for video games and cool shit is the only real winning strategy here and yet all these dipshit CEO Techbros sit there with their eyes sliding in two different directions and go "duuurrrrrrr what if you could telecommute to work but now you have to wear a sweaty headset and exist in an even shittier, low poly, half baked render of your office?"
Oh man I just got an ad for a lightspeed university. Well that's a choice for your business college...
Holy. Shit.
This is such a specific deep cut that once again I become convinced that me and Preacher are the same person from alternate dimensions or timelines or something.
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There are a lot of practical uses for AR in terms of training complex skills and recreation or just you know...touching grass. I'm probably going to do a lot of UV layout work in Maya this summer but it would be better if I could do it at the beach. People could learn to play sports better with overlays of professionals like ghosts in a racing game. Surgeons could use it to augment operations.
...it's just that none of that is the type of thing imagined by a soulless tech dork who wants to use the infinite possibilities of human ingenuity and imagination to hold quarterly scrum meetings.
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which, I mean, sure, it's a pretty cool scene, but the description seems to be overselling it a bit (emphasis mine -- maybe I just don't know enough about the history of TV, I guess?)
The "In the Air Tonight" Scene is arguably the most memorable and famous scene from the Miami Vice television series, and is regularly cited as one of the greatest, most influential moments in the history of television.
It doesn't seem influential to you looking back at it now because it was literally the first show to do a thing that pretty much all prestige television does now.
It's still a really fucking cool scene as well, I love it
What is the thing that every show does now that this scene does?
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Beat Saber is an extremely fun VR game.
"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
I tried VR porn once when I first got my OG Occulus Rift.
I don't know what happened or what I did wrong but instead of regular VR porn I got thrown into a giant square room where the walls, the floor and the ceiling was all just the porno. Everywhere I looked it was a 30ft tall vision of fuckin'. It was a hypercube of porn. I was the porn and the porn was me.
I lost all concept of space or time or identity in that turgid, sweaty prison cell. It was like I had grabbed hold of a Palantír and suddenly my mind was seared through with the all consuming malice of the Great Burning Eye of Sauron but instead it was a butthole and some guys hog.
I somehow fought enough to tear the headset off my face and collapsed onto the floor.
I never tried it again.
Jugs, ya gotta tell us how you managed to escape the Erotic Tesseract.
which, I mean, sure, it's a pretty cool scene, but the description seems to be overselling it a bit (emphasis mine -- maybe I just don't know enough about the history of TV, I guess?)
The "In the Air Tonight" Scene is arguably the most memorable and famous scene from the Miami Vice television series, and is regularly cited as one of the greatest, most influential moments in the history of television.
It doesn't seem influential to you looking back at it now because it was literally the first show to do a thing that pretty much all prestige television does now.
It's still a really fucking cool scene as well, I love it
What is the thing that every show does now that this scene does?
Have Don Johnson stop at a telephone booth and make an awkward call you can barely hear over the music.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I did like how the first comment was a "kids these days" on youtube when that came out in 1984, "kids" in this case meaning people in their god damn 40s.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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When you factor in the Apple tax, those glasses/goggles/whatever aren't even unreasonable for what's under the hood. Having an M2 in there along with whatever the R1 is doing to eliminate latency is a pretty big dose of power. And then getting 4K with Apple's known sorcery for creating some incredible displays means stuff will probably look great in there. Like.. it's pretty cool shit!
But the business dweebs can't think of doing anything more than meetings with the damn thing, and no one fucking likes meetings anyway!
which, I mean, sure, it's a pretty cool scene, but the description seems to be overselling it a bit (emphasis mine -- maybe I just don't know enough about the history of TV, I guess?)
The "In the Air Tonight" Scene is arguably the most memorable and famous scene from the Miami Vice television series, and is regularly cited as one of the greatest, most influential moments in the history of television.
It doesn't seem influential to you looking back at it now because it was literally the first show to do a thing that pretty much all prestige television does now.
It's still a really fucking cool scene as well, I love it
What is the thing that every show does now that this scene does?
Have some quiet scenes where the characters don't talk and the plot isn't moving forward. Taking the time to let the audience soak in the atmosphere. Create a tone piece. Vibe.
However you want to describe it, it's the scene itself that is the innovation.
Like for me as a user they still haven't hit the "why would I want to wear this shit on my face versus my currently working out fine interface?"
It's all bunch of people trying to make shit from Sci-Fi made before we realized that you could make a touchable easily navigable source of all knowledge and connection and make it small enough to fit in your goddamn palm.
It's all just chasing a fantasy we beat the shit out of in the 90s.
which, I mean, sure, it's a pretty cool scene, but the description seems to be overselling it a bit (emphasis mine -- maybe I just don't know enough about the history of TV, I guess?)
The "In the Air Tonight" Scene is arguably the most memorable and famous scene from the Miami Vice television series, and is regularly cited as one of the greatest, most influential moments in the history of television.
It doesn't seem influential to you looking back at it now because it was literally the first show to do a thing that pretty much all prestige television does now.
It's still a really fucking cool scene as well, I love it
What is the thing that every show does now that this scene does?
I tried VR porn once when I first got my OG Occulus Rift.
I don't know what happened or what I did wrong but instead of regular VR porn I got thrown into a giant square room where the walls, the floor and the ceiling was all just the porno. Everywhere I looked it was a 30ft tall vision of fuckin'. It was a hypercube of porn. I was the porn and the porn was me.
I lost all concept of space or time or identity in that turgid, sweaty prison cell. It was like I had grabbed hold of a Palantír and suddenly my mind was seared through with the all consuming malice of the Great Burning Eye of Sauron but instead it was a butthole and some guys hog.
I somehow fought enough to tear the headset off my face and collapsed onto the floor.
I never tried it again.
Jugs, ya gotta tell us how you managed to escape the Erotic Tesseract.
I tried VR porn once when I first got my OG Occulus Rift.
I don't know what happened or what I did wrong but instead of regular VR porn I got thrown into a giant square room where the walls, the floor and the ceiling was all just the porno. Everywhere I looked it was a 30ft tall vision of fuckin'. It was a hypercube of porn. I was the porn and the porn was me.
I lost all concept of space or time or identity in that turgid, sweaty prison cell. It was like I had grabbed hold of a Palantír and suddenly my mind was seared through with the all consuming malice of the Great Burning Eye of Sauron but instead it was a butthole and some guys hog.
I somehow fought enough to tear the headset off my face and collapsed onto the floor.
I never tried it again.
Jugs, ya gotta tell us how you managed to escape the Erotic Tesseract.
I've known folks who are still stuck in it.
he, what is colloquially known as, "uncle frank"ed, it
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central problem with a lot of these things is that it ultimately becomes an advanced form of facetime. and i don't want to facetime.
central problem with a lot of these things is that it ultimately becomes an advanced form of facetime. and i don't want to facetime.
Does it though? In all the example videos the people the AR goggle user was facetiming with didn't have their own goggles on. And what did they even see? Was there a random webcam setup somewhere in the room by the goggle wearer?
If you gave the people blown away by this headset five minutes in Rev Infinite Area X I think they would literally die. I think their heart would stop and they would wake up in the virtual world.
It costs like half of that to get a decent PC built that can run a Valve Index, and I doubt it will be able to play any of the weird indie shit due to being Apple infrastructure
I just can't imagine who the market is for this that isn't rich executives who love the brand name
It costs like half of that to get a decent PC built that can run a Valve Index, and I doubt it will be able to play any of the weird indie shit due to being Apple infrastructure
I just can't imagine who the market is for this that isn't rich executives who love the brand name
Its perfectly aimed at tech writers who write positive things about like the meta verse.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Most defensibly, it’ll be aimed at developers with an understanding that a consumer version will come out down the line when a worthwhile suite of software exists.
I don’t really expect that either that hardware or software will arrive, but I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility.
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yeah I'm actually enthusiastic about VR stuff, as I have a immunocompromised partner and going places for real socialization is extremely difficult to finagle. VRChat lets us both "go out" and hang out with folks in weirdo places and bars and whatever without having to worry about the ongoing COVID pandemic or being treated as weirdos for wearing masks in public still.
The Apple headset does not look like a headset made by anyone who knows anything about where VR has been for a long time. There were no interesting avatar options, it was obsessed with mixed reality stuff. Also for some reason you're playing non-VR games with a VR headset? Using a PS5 controller? (Is Sony aware that Apple is just like "yeah don't even both getting a PSVR2, you can play with our headset"??) There were zero VR games actually shown, which does not strike me as a way of demonstrating your interest in VR.
I really hope they get VRChat into PSVR2 stuff because that's really one of the best headsets I've seen lately. There's a lot of good stuff going on in VR right now, it's just weighed down with all this big company productivity CEO brained bullshit.
Guy who does stuff for him.
It was the Tiger Game.com and it sucked.
That's where VR has been for the past few years. Everybody hyping it isn't wrong that there will be a device similar to it that is a massive cultural shift they're just calling that shot about a decade too early. People act like the smart phone was an overnight thing. Between now and the Tiger Game.com there were a lot of years of trying to sell people on a smart device. It makes sense that Apple would be out there charging $3500 for VR. The first iPhone cost like $600 and had a 3.5 inch screen and 4 gigs of storage. It was a thing for people who have tech journalist jobs to spend too much money on. We are there.
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Is it just me or does that just sound like a vibrater for insecure heterosexual men?
What if magic does exist but the only way to access it is by doing incredibly stupid and embarrassing stuff that nobody in their right mind would admit to doing, at least until the invention of the internet eliminated shame?
you can fuck a genderbent optimus prime with huge knockers in 3d
As enticing as that could be, I'm going to have to pass.
pleasepaypreacher.net
you can also declare exterminatus on nerds
the only business use I've seen for AR, at the literal very beginning of AR really trying to take off, was in manufacturing where you could use it for large warehouse spaces and complicated work and you can overlay like, lanes etc.
Using it in an office setting is insanity, the person on the bed who brings up the wall street journal on her fucking face looks like a complete alien, it is hard to believe they make these videos and someone goes "yeah this looks very normal, people will love this"
pleasepaypreacher.net
More of a megatron kinda guy. I get that.
Cool, I definitely want to shell out $3500 to use Teams instead of just opening it up on my screen for the exact same display except everyone will be wearing dumb goggles, or I'll be looking at shitty avatars.
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It would be so fucking good for training and for design reviews of industrial facilities.
It's still a really fucking cool scene as well, I love it
VR is only ever going to be good for gaming. When it works it's really fuckin cool. Swinging a sword at a guy and blocking his attack with your own actual movements or reloading a gun in VR is super satisfying in a very different way than normal games. Not really better per se but definitely it's own thing you just can't get anywhere else. While I've never played it Half Life: Alyx is maybe the closest thing to an actual, AAA VR experience we've really had and it looks (and seems to play)incredible. But it's still the standard janky point to teleport style gameplay that most VR games are. If we could ever figure out a way to make movement more intuitive I think it would see a lot more traction in the general market and really elevate those kinds of cool experiences, even if it never dethrones consoles or standard PC gaming.
However, I would rather suck start a shotgun than use VR to attend a meeting with a cartoon coworker or host a conference or something. Most people seem to agree with me here. Trying to gamify work is stupid and people don't want it.
Investing in making VR better for video games and cool shit is the only real winning strategy here and yet all these dipshit CEO Techbros sit there with their eyes sliding in two different directions and go "duuurrrrrrr what if you could telecommute to work but now you have to wear a sweaty headset and exist in an even shittier, low poly, half baked render of your office?"
Holy. Shit.
This is such a specific deep cut that once again I become convinced that me and Preacher are the same person from alternate dimensions or timelines or something.
pleasepaypreacher.net
...it's just that none of that is the type of thing imagined by a soulless tech dork who wants to use the infinite possibilities of human ingenuity and imagination to hold quarterly scrum meetings.
What is the thing that every show does now that this scene does?
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Jugs, ya gotta tell us how you managed to escape the Erotic Tesseract.
I've known folks who are still stuck in it.
Have Don Johnson stop at a telephone booth and make an awkward call you can barely hear over the music.
pleasepaypreacher.net
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But the business dweebs can't think of doing anything more than meetings with the damn thing, and no one fucking likes meetings anyway!
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970666737/
Have some quiet scenes where the characters don't talk and the plot isn't moving forward. Taking the time to let the audience soak in the atmosphere. Create a tone piece. Vibe.
However you want to describe it, it's the scene itself that is the innovation.
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Edit: Has it solved the issue a lot of VR headsets have where the sunlight will fuck them up?
It's all bunch of people trying to make shit from Sci-Fi made before we realized that you could make a touchable easily navigable source of all knowledge and connection and make it small enough to fit in your goddamn palm.
It's all just chasing a fantasy we beat the shit out of in the 90s.
https://gofund.me/fa5990a5
I went looking, and this comment on reddit seems to do a good job of explaining things.
First step is you have to want to leave
he, what is colloquially known as, "uncle frank"ed, it
Does it though? In all the example videos the people the AR goggle user was facetiming with didn't have their own goggles on. And what did they even see? Was there a random webcam setup somewhere in the room by the goggle wearer?
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I just can't imagine who the market is for this that isn't rich executives who love the brand name
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Its perfectly aimed at tech writers who write positive things about like the meta verse.
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I don’t really expect that either that hardware or software will arrive, but I wouldn’t entirely rule out the possibility.