So, let's see how many of our programmers on here wind up crying or cringing over FTX's code fraud.
Like, the fraud was literally written into the code. This does not adhere to Stringer Bell Principles of Programming ("is you committing to git a criminal fucking conspiracy?")
Edit: This truly brings new meaning to "git blame".
El oh el
Note to self: if you’re going to write code to do fraud, make it messy and unreadable to reduce the chances it’s later put in front of a jury as evidence.
So, let's see how many of our programmers on here wind up crying or cringing over FTX's code fraud.
Like, the fraud was literally written into the code. This does not adhere to Stringer Bell Principles of Programming ("is you committing to git a criminal fucking conspiracy?")
To bring this thread back on topic, former Alameda CEO and Bankman-Fried ex Caroline Ellison testified yesterday:
Caroline Ellison, the former Alameda Research CEO who dated Sam Bankman-Fried, testified against her former partner today in his criminal trial. "In the trial's second week, Ellison said she committed fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud and money laundering along with Bankman-Fried and others," the Associated Press reported.
"He was originally the CEO of Alameda and the owner of Alameda and he directed me to commit these crimes," Ellison said today, according to a Bloomberg article. She added that "Alameda took several billion dollars from FTX customers and used it for its own investments" and to pay off lenders.
Highlights include Bankman-Fried refusing to give Ellison an actual equity stake, showing his inability to comprehend why you pay the designated fall person, a gedanken experiment that demonstrates why Bankman-Fried should never be allowed in Vegas without a chaperone, and the defense continuing to step on the judge's last nerve.
"The whole time that we were dating, he was also my boss at work, which created some awkward situations," she testified, according to The Wall Street Journal. Describing Bankman-Fried's attitude toward risk-taking, "Ellison recalled on the witness stand how Bankman-Fried once spoke of a coin-flip scenario where if the coin landed on tails, the world would end. But if the coin landed on heads, 'the world would be twice as good.' Bankman-Fried [said] he would take the bet if there were a chance of making the world better, Ellison said."
"The whole time that we were dating, he was also my boss at work, which created some awkward situations," she testified, according to The Wall Street Journal. Describing Bankman-Fried's attitude toward risk-taking, "Ellison recalled on the witness stand how Bankman-Fried once spoke of a coin-flip scenario where if the coin landed on tails, the world would end. But if the coin landed on heads, 'the world would be twice as good.' Bankman-Fried [said] he would take the bet if there were a chance of making the world better, Ellison said."
Christ
The most effective altruism.
People were lining up to give this jamoke gobs of cash.
"The whole time that we were dating, he was also my boss at work, which created some awkward situations," she testified, according to The Wall Street Journal. Describing Bankman-Fried's attitude toward risk-taking, "Ellison recalled on the witness stand how Bankman-Fried once spoke of a coin-flip scenario where if the coin landed on tails, the world would end. But if the coin landed on heads, 'the world would be twice as good.' Bankman-Fried [said] he would take the bet if there were a chance of making the world better, Ellison said."
Christ
The most effective altruism.
People were lining up to give this jamoke gobs of cash.
And Lewis still believes we need a new SBF
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
"The whole time that we were dating, he was also my boss at work, which created some awkward situations," she testified, according to The Wall Street Journal. Describing Bankman-Fried's attitude toward risk-taking, "Ellison recalled on the witness stand how Bankman-Fried once spoke of a coin-flip scenario where if the coin landed on tails, the world would end. But if the coin landed on heads, 'the world would be twice as good.' Bankman-Fried [said] he would take the bet if there were a chance of making the world better, Ellison said."
Christ
The most effective altruism.
People were lining up to give this jamoke gobs of cash.
And Lewis still believes we need a new SBF
After his behavior towards Michael Oher, he can kindly go fuck off into the night.
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Michael Lewis writes the story Michael Lewis wants to write and if he gets it wrong, fuck you
He wanted to write the story about a weird kid who became the king of crypto and when that ended up not being the story, well fuck you, he was going to write the story he wanted
Caroline Ellison, who ran Sam Bankman-Fried's crypto hedge fund while also dating the FTX founder, told jurors in her second day of testimony that one way her boss was considering repaying FTX customer accounts was by raising money from Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
She also highlighted Bankman-Fried's concerns with his public image, including his belief that his long, unkempt hair was "very valuable" in contributing to his narrative.
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
Yes, I'm aware of what I'm doing when I invoke the law of large numbers.
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
Yes, I'm aware of what I'm doing when I invoke the law of large numbers.
The Law of Large Numbers is how rich people keep getting away with crimes right
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
Monkeys with typewriters do not hit keys randomly with an even distribution.
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
Monkeys with typewriters do not hit keys randomly with an even distribution.
Some shmuck did a study on this.
Ok, I’m really curious what the data on that study was. Got a link?
Caroline Ellison, who ran Sam Bankman-Fried's crypto hedge fund while also dating the FTX founder, told jurors in her second day of testimony that one way her boss was considering repaying FTX customer accounts was by raising money from Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
She also highlighted Bankman-Fried's concerns with his public image, including his belief that his long, unkempt hair was "very valuable" in contributing to his narrative.
yes
scamming a saudi royal who is known to have people who cross him murdered is the way to go
if only he had tried that one
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
Monkeys with typewriters do not hit keys randomly with an even distribution.
Some shmuck did a study on this.
Ok, I’m really curious what the data on that study was. Got a link?
Per wikipedia,
Actual monkeys
In 2002,[13] lecturers and students from the University of Plymouth MediaLab Arts course used a £2,000 grant from the Arts Council to study the literary output of real monkeys. They left a computer keyboard in the enclosure of six Celebes crested macaques in Paignton Zoo in Devon, England from May 1 to June 22, with a radio link to broadcast the results on a website.[14]
Not only did the monkeys produce nothing but five total pages[15] largely consisting of the letter "S",[13] the lead male began striking the keyboard with a stone, and other monkeys followed by urinating and defecating on the machine.[16] Mike Phillips, director of the university's Institute of Digital Arts and Technology (i-DAT), said that the artist-funded project was primarily performance art, and they had learned "an awful lot" from it. He concluded that monkeys "are not random generators. They're more complex than that. ... They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there."[14][17]
Note that this was an art project, so the main thing was just that it was broadcast to their website and, as far as I can tell, there's no actual paper on it. (Probably because the actual result - the monkeys not actually typing on the machine - is obvious.)
EDIT: Also, consider how the typical "random keysmashes" humans do are also invariably some variant of aaljsdhfklashdf - the double-fisted home-row piano, if you will. People don't act randomly and neither do our shit-throwing friends.
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
Monkeys with typewriters do not hit keys randomly with an even distribution.
Some shmuck did a study on this.
Ok, I’m really curious what the data on that study was. Got a link?
I thought the data was "the monkeys prefer to poop on the typewriters and throw them around than sit down for a serious typing session".
I regret getting us started on this dumb topic, can we return to the crypto please? Or start a new thread for this author hullaballoo?
To ape or not to ape: that is the question
(The answer is no, do not ape)
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
Just a reminder, that infinite means infinite. And not just "very long". A lot of people mistake the latter for the former. I find anyone claiming they'd want to live forever doesn't understand the horror of what that actually means.
Assume a monkey is only using the 26 letters, the space bar and use period for all punctuation, and don't care about capitalization. Assume the monkey bangs out 60 keypresses a minute. And assume he has a million friends.
Just "to be or not to be." would take 100 trillion years, if my math is right.
EDIT - 28 options needing 19 correct characters (so 28^19), divided by 1M monkeys, divided by 60 seconds, divided by 60 minutes, divided by 24 hours, divided by 365 days, gives you the number of years.
Our sun explodes in 7 or 8 billion years. Meaning we can probably get "to be or not t" before that event happens.
So what you’re saying is that the Bayesian priors aren’t looking too good?
I thought the Shakespeare thing was based on too much content being attributed to him?
We have living authors today who've produced more.
And in the dead column, you have Augustine whom we have over 5 million words worth of surviving content, and he lived 1100 years before Willie Shakes.
Alexandre Dumas was paid by the line, rather than by the word. Was published as a serial before being collected into a book, his three musketeers novels, he introduced a character that only spoke monosyllabically to increase the line count, and killed the character off when his publishing deal was changed.
I don't see a quick cite for the number of words he wrote, but I do see a cite for:
Dumas published a remarkable amount of material: more than 100,000 pages of novels, plays, articles, travelogues, and other writings
On the day FTX collapsed, hundreds of millions of dollars of cryptocurrency controlled by the exchange were stolen by an unidentified thief that is believed to still have control of the funds.
No one knows how the thief - or thieves - was able to get digital keys to FTX crypto wallets, but it is thought it was either an insider or a hacker who was able to steal the information.
The criminal moved 9,500 Ethereum coins, then worth $15.5m, from a wallet belonging to FTX, to a new wallet.
Over the next few hours, hundreds of other cryptoassets were taken from the company's wallets, in transactions eventually totalling $477m.
According to researchers from Elliptic, a cryptocurrency investigation firm, the thief lost more than $100m in the weeks following the hack as some was frozen or lost in processing fees as they frantically moved the funds around to evade capture.
But by December around $70m was successfully sent to a cryptocurrency mixer - a criminal service used to launder Bitcoin, making it difficult to trace.
The rest of the stolen FTX stash - around $230m - remained untouched until 30 September - the weekend before Mr Bankman-Fried's trial began.
Nearly every day since then chunks worth millions have been sent to a mixer for laundering and then presumably cashing out.
Elliptic has been able to trace $54m of Bitcoin being sent to the Sinbad mixer after which the trail has gone cold for now.
Experts say the activity is strange and goes against the norm for cryptocurrency hackers and thieves.
"Crypto launderers have been known to wait for years to move and cash out assets once public attention has dissipated, but in this case they have begun to move just as the world's attention is once again directed towards FTX and the events of November 2022," said Tom Robinson, Elliptic's co-founder.
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I remember this theft from back when it happened and leading suspicion was that it was insiders or SBF himself, was that ever dis-proven?
Also, probably sticky due to international law enforcement and jurisdictions, but how are those blender services able to stay open since their only purpose is money laundering?
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It depends on your Bayesian priors
We have living authors today who've produced more.
Lewis's book probably already covered this in that the code betrayed SBF
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And in the dead column, you have Augustine whom we have over 5 million words worth of surviving content, and he lived 1100 years before Willie Shakes.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
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-Kit Marlowe, probably.
On what ape, doth this, our Bankman-Freid?
~ Buckaroo Banzai
Highlights include Bankman-Fried refusing to give Ellison an actual equity stake, showing his inability to comprehend why you pay the designated fall person, a gedanken experiment that demonstrates why Bankman-Fried should never be allowed in Vegas without a chaperone, and the defense continuing to step on the judge's last nerve.
The most effective altruism.
People were lining up to give this jamoke gobs of cash.
And Lewis still believes we need a new SBF
pleasepaypreacher.net
After his behavior towards Michael Oher, he can kindly go fuck off into the night.
Could a million apes on a million typewriters write Shakespere?
Probably not, unless we're ignoring death and things breaking down. In that case we can say with certainty that after an infinite amount of time they'll have written every book ever.
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He wanted to write the story about a weird kid who became the king of crypto and when that ended up not being the story, well fuck you, he was going to write the story he wanted
Yes, I'm aware of what I'm doing when I invoke the law of large numbers.
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The Law of Large Numbers is how rich people keep getting away with crimes right
Monkeys with typewriters do not hit keys randomly with an even distribution.
Some shmuck did a study on this.
Ok, I’m really curious what the data on that study was. Got a link?
yes
scamming a saudi royal who is known to have people who cross him murdered is the way to go
if only he had tried that one
Per wikipedia,
A copy of the monkeys' work can be found on the internet archive, but the website they used to have is long defunct.
Note that this was an art project, so the main thing was just that it was broadcast to their website and, as far as I can tell, there's no actual paper on it. (Probably because the actual result - the monkeys not actually typing on the machine - is obvious.)
EDIT: Also, consider how the typical "random keysmashes" humans do are also invariably some variant of aaljsdhfklashdf - the double-fisted home-row piano, if you will. People don't act randomly and neither do our shit-throwing friends.
So not unlike cryptobros.
While this is true, I think you are failing to appreciate how extremely on-brand for me “fucking up” actually is.
Shakespere? Probably not.
A couple copies of Art of the Deal? Sure.
MWO: Adamski
So what you’re saying is that the Bayesian priors aren’t looking too good?
Alexandre Dumas was paid by the line, rather than by the word. Was published as a serial before being collected into a book, his three musketeers novels, he introduced a character that only spoke monosyllabically to increase the line count, and killed the character off when his publishing deal was changed.
I don't see a quick cite for the number of words he wrote, but I do see a cite for:
As fuck yous go, this one is impressive.
Also, probably sticky due to international law enforcement and jurisdictions, but how are those blender services able to stay open since their only purpose is money laundering?