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Hey what's the etiquette on starting a new thread these days? Is it still waiting for the old one to be locked? I have an OP I've been planning for a long time but I gotta go to sleep.
As interesting as this might it would not be worth the $50 season pass I could and would charge for playing
Most likely some poor writer in Bangladesh filling out story prompts with several copies of Hemingway for reference
Here's the problem with that: even the most expensive models out there are dirt cheap (relatively speaking)
like, Claude 3 Opus, which is the priciest one I'm aware of at the moment? It costs 0.01 cents/word, roughly. The freelancers working for 1 rupee/word on Upwork are paid more than a hundred times that.
in other words, they'd probably be hiring a poor editor in Bangladesh to clean up line upon line of AI-generated slop.
(realistically, of course, a game with a "read the extensive backstory of every NPC you kill" feature wouldn't generate it at runtime - that easily becomes expensive given how many users you might have. No, instead you'd just have the machines vomit out novel's worth of junk text during development that you include in the game to "flesh it out", never mind that it does just the opposite and makes people start to ignore the human-generated text as well... Turns out that when you clearly don't care about some aspect of your work, your audience loses interest as well!)
As interesting as this might it would not be worth the $50 season pass I could and would charge for playing
Most likely some poor writer in Bangladesh filling out story prompts with several copies of Hemingway for reference
Here's the problem with that: even the most expensive models out there are dirt cheap (relatively speaking)
like, Claude 3 Opus, which is the priciest one I'm aware of at the moment? It costs 0.01 cents/word, roughly. The freelancers working for 1 rupee/word on Upwork are paid more than a hundred times that.
in other words, they'd probably be hiring a poor editor in Bangladesh to clean up line upon line of AI-generated slop.
(realistically, of course, a game with a "read the extensive backstory of every NPC you kill" feature wouldn't generate it at runtime - that easily becomes expensive given how many users you might have. No, instead you'd just have the machines vomit out novel's worth of junk text during development that you include in the game to "flesh it out", never mind that it does just the opposite and makes people start to ignore the human-generated text as well... Turns out that when you clearly don't care about some aspect of your work, your audience loses interest as well!)
Turns out when LLM’s can only generate narrative slop that’s shaped like prose, it doesn’t lend itself well to a rich connected world. It’d contradict itself within half a dozen npc’s and be prohibitively expensive if it were forced to “remember” proper nouns. Or the game would just do a slightly more eloquent version of madlibs for npc backstories.
the thing is also like, the concept of walking into any NPC and having a full conversation, or reading their rich backstory, isn't even something anyone wants to do. ai chuds fetishize the concept of Content without considering whether anyone actually wants to engage with it. they think a multi-minute video game conversation is equivalent to flipping through multiple 6 second vines. think about how many written conversations in video games you've just started clicking through because it was boring, or repeating something you already knew, or because you just wanted to get to say the Assassination Creeding that you bought the game for rather than the story that was tacked on as a feature
addendum: The big problem with pitches like that is that it imagines AI as a product being sold to the consumer. That's not the current function of it. The only product niche that AI fills is "it is novel that a LLM generated this block of text". Once that novelty is gone and you are trying to sell it as a product in spite of that, it becomes significantly more difficult to get people interested. Successful AI sales at this time is not to that consumer. It is to the creator of product, to promise them that they can generate so much more of their Product thanks to the tools you are selling them, and they can layoff so many people and save money, to tell their shareholders that they are doing things that will see great returns next quarter. There is no successful commercial product that advertises its use of AI as a feature. Most things that include it actively try to obfuscate it.
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the thing is also like, the concept of walking into any NPC and having a full conversation, or reading their rich backstory, isn't even something anyone wants to do. ai chuds fetishize the concept of Content without considering whether anyone actually wants to engage with it. they think a multi-minute video game conversation is equivalent to flipping through multiple 6 second vines. think about how many written conversations in video games you've just started clicking through because it was boring, or repeating something you already knew, or because you just wanted to get to say the Assassination Creeding that you bought the game for rather than the story that was tacked on as a feature
It really is about the idea that what people want is more content with "content" being an entirely interchangeable slop. The idea that anyone wants to be able to go up to an NPC and have them say nonsense that can't possibly mean anything towards the plot or say anything because it's just random nonsense confuses me.
the thing is also like, the concept of walking into any NPC and having a full conversation, or reading their rich backstory, isn't even something anyone wants to do. ai chuds fetishize the concept of Content without considering whether anyone actually wants to engage with it. they think a multi-minute video game conversation is equivalent to flipping through multiple 6 second vines. think about how many written conversations in video games you've just started clicking through because it was boring, or repeating something you already knew, or because you just wanted to get to say the Assassination Creeding that you bought the game for rather than the story that was tacked on as a feature
It really is about the idea that what people want is more content with "content" being an entirely interchangeable slop. The idea that anyone wants to be able to go up to an NPC and have them say nonsense that can't possibly mean anything towards the plot or say anything because it's just random nonsense confuses me.
okay so you know those tiktok streams that are just a woman saying things in response to emojis,
To those folks AI is a magic wand that will solve their particular problems with video games, similar to how previously blockchain would do the same. They don't know anything about how video games are actually made, they just know about this shiny new tool, have internalized the lies about what it does, and want to use it to hammer every nail they see.
Hey what's the etiquette on starting a new thread these days? Is it still waiting for the old one to be locked? I have an OP I've been planning for a long time but I gotta go to sleep.
Generally yeah you wait for the old thread to be locked
I think by ancient law you now have dibs on the next thread though
Hey what's the etiquette on starting a new thread these days? Is it still waiting for the old one to be locked? I have an OP I've been planning for a long time but I gotta go to sleep.
Generally yeah you wait for the old thread to be locked
I think by ancient law you now have dibs on the next thread though
If you want to force the issue, make the new thread and post a link to it here, so anyone who continues to post here only has themselves to blame.
Hey what's the etiquette on starting a new thread these days? Is it still waiting for the old one to be locked? I have an OP I've been planning for a long time but I gotta go to sleep.
Generally yeah you wait for the old thread to be locked
I think by ancient law you now have dibs on the next thread though
If you want to force the issue, make the new thread and post a link to it here, so anyone who continues to post here only has themselves to blame.
addendum: The big problem with pitches like that is that it imagines AI as a product being sold to the consumer. That's not the current function of it. The only product niche that AI fills is "it is novel that a LLM generated this block of text". Once that novelty is gone and you are trying to sell it as a product in spite of that, it becomes significantly more difficult to get people interested. Successful AI sales at this time is not to that consumer. It is to the creator of product, to promise them that they can generate so much more of their Product thanks to the tools you are selling them, and they can layoff so many people and save money, to tell their shareholders that they are doing things that will see great returns next quarter. There is no successful commercial product that advertises its use of AI as a feature. Most things that include it actively try to obfuscate it.
Honestly I think it's pretty telling that, to my knowledge, the most successful products advertising its use of AI as a feature... are the ones that basically just give the end user direct access to the AI in question:
so your LLM chatbots (e.g. ChatGPT or the various ones meant for entertainment), your Midjourneys, etc. etc.
And even then, there's an entire underground market for getting even more "direct" access - your "jailbreaks" and whatnot to attempt to steer the models away from their conditioning and towards whatever unwanted-by-the-company thing you want.
There's not really a second-hand market for AI, though - you might get some profound enjoyment out of chatting with a bot and having it generate images for you, but once that stuff leaves your hands and makes its way to a third (second?) person it's no longer got that personalized je ne sais qoui and is just slop.
Fun fact: this happens even if the third person is yourself re-reading the stuff an hour later and suddenly noticing all the flaws! It has a shelf-life measured entirely by your short-term memory.
When it's coming straight from the machine, it's competing with spending a bunch of time and effort or money, while AI is fast, effortless, and cheap. "Quantity has a quality all its own" and whatnot.
When it's as part of a larger product, though, it's competing with stuff that actually spent that time, effort, and money - and unless your product has a proportional price reduction (we're unironically talking close to 99.99% if it's entirely AI) then your thing is inherently overpriced trash. Maybe you can get away with pricing it at, like, $1.
(Also, of course, adding to all this is the issue that generative AI works best when it's self-contained: two generated images will never quite match in style, and two generated objects cannot easily be guaranteed not to conflict with one another or any established setting. In the case of SMBC's rat family, they're entirely textual - if you were to attempt to seek out the den in-game, you likely would not be able to find it... as it was entirely made up by the LLM in a one-way interaction.)
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Mr_Rose83 Blue Ridge Protects the HolyRegistered Userregular
Makes me wonder if the various governments that have precedential rulings on this will stick to and/or codify that generative works do not attain the status of copyrightable art.
Because as soon as big corporations start trying to sell generative output they’re gonna want to reverse that or get out of the game.
For all of Existential Comics weirdness he does agree with most of the world on the fundamental subject of "Fuck you Objectivism, and fuck you Ayn Rand in particular".
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Kane Red RobeMaster of MagicArcanusRegistered Userregular
For all of Existential Comics weirdness he does agree with most of the world on the fundamental subject of "Fuck you Objectivism, and fuck you Ayn Rand in particular".
I'm not really sure what weirdness about Existential Comics is being referred to. His views seem pretty consistently leftist, "fuck Ayn Rand/libertarianism" is consistent with that.
SMBC made a comic about AI? I guess the comic about stupid humans being told off by god is next.
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Makes me wonder if the various governments that have precedential rulings on this will stick to and/or codify that generative works do not attain the status of copyrightable art.
Because as soon as big corporations start trying to sell generative output they’re gonna want to reverse that or get out of the game.
oh I think the main thing the corps are going to rely on is just that, well
it's only the AI-generated bits that are public domain
and that if you proceed to be transformative in your use of it, you now hold the copyright for the final work
so they'll just use it like they use any other public domain character or clipart or whatever I guess
Hey what's the etiquette on starting a new thread these days? Is it still waiting for the old one to be locked? I have an OP I've been planning for a long time but I gotta go to sleep.
Generally yeah you wait for the old thread to be locked
I think by ancient law you now have dibs on the next thread though
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As interesting as this might it would not be worth the $50 season pass I could and would charge for playing
Most likely some poor writer in Bangladesh filling out story prompts with several copies of Hemingway for reference
I know that's a bad-guy outfit but she rocks it pretty well.
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Here's the problem with that: even the most expensive models out there are dirt cheap (relatively speaking)
like, Claude 3 Opus, which is the priciest one I'm aware of at the moment? It costs 0.01 cents/word, roughly. The freelancers working for 1 rupee/word on Upwork are paid more than a hundred times that.
in other words, they'd probably be hiring a poor editor in Bangladesh to clean up line upon line of AI-generated slop.
(realistically, of course, a game with a "read the extensive backstory of every NPC you kill" feature wouldn't generate it at runtime - that easily becomes expensive given how many users you might have. No, instead you'd just have the machines vomit out novel's worth of junk text during development that you include in the game to "flesh it out", never mind that it does just the opposite and makes people start to ignore the human-generated text as well... Turns out that when you clearly don't care about some aspect of your work, your audience loses interest as well!)
Turns out when LLM’s can only generate narrative slop that’s shaped like prose, it doesn’t lend itself well to a rich connected world. It’d contradict itself within half a dozen npc’s and be prohibitively expensive if it were forced to “remember” proper nouns. Or the game would just do a slightly more eloquent version of madlibs for npc backstories.
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It really is about the idea that what people want is more content with "content" being an entirely interchangeable slop. The idea that anyone wants to be able to go up to an NPC and have them say nonsense that can't possibly mean anything towards the plot or say anything because it's just random nonsense confuses me.
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okay so you know those tiktok streams that are just a woman saying things in response to emojis,
Generally yeah you wait for the old thread to be locked
I think by ancient law you now have dibs on the next thread though
Tally Ho!
If you want to force the issue, make the new thread and post a link to it here, so anyone who continues to post here only has themselves to blame.
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Blame for what though, if a thread isnt locked just keep using it imo, the anxiety around posting past page 100 is nuts
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Honestly I think it's pretty telling that, to my knowledge, the most successful products advertising its use of AI as a feature... are the ones that basically just give the end user direct access to the AI in question:
so your LLM chatbots (e.g. ChatGPT or the various ones meant for entertainment), your Midjourneys, etc. etc.
And even then, there's an entire underground market for getting even more "direct" access - your "jailbreaks" and whatnot to attempt to steer the models away from their conditioning and towards whatever unwanted-by-the-company thing you want.
There's not really a second-hand market for AI, though - you might get some profound enjoyment out of chatting with a bot and having it generate images for you, but once that stuff leaves your hands and makes its way to a third (second?) person it's no longer got that personalized je ne sais qoui and is just slop.
Fun fact: this happens even if the third person is yourself re-reading the stuff an hour later and suddenly noticing all the flaws! It has a shelf-life measured entirely by your short-term memory.
When it's coming straight from the machine, it's competing with spending a bunch of time and effort or money, while AI is fast, effortless, and cheap. "Quantity has a quality all its own" and whatnot.
When it's as part of a larger product, though, it's competing with stuff that actually spent that time, effort, and money - and unless your product has a proportional price reduction (we're unironically talking close to 99.99% if it's entirely AI) then your thing is inherently overpriced trash. Maybe you can get away with pricing it at, like, $1.
(Also, of course, adding to all this is the issue that generative AI works best when it's self-contained: two generated images will never quite match in style, and two generated objects cannot easily be guaranteed not to conflict with one another or any established setting. In the case of SMBC's rat family, they're entirely textual - if you were to attempt to seek out the den in-game, you likely would not be able to find it... as it was entirely made up by the LLM in a one-way interaction.)
Because as soon as big corporations start trying to sell generative output they’re gonna want to reverse that or get out of the game.
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For all of Existential Comics weirdness he does agree with most of the world on the fundamental subject of "Fuck you Objectivism, and fuck you Ayn Rand in particular".
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
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oh I think the main thing the corps are going to rely on is just that, well
it's only the AI-generated bits that are public domain
and that if you proceed to be transformative in your use of it, you now hold the copyright for the final work
so they'll just use it like they use any other public domain character or clipart or whatever I guess
idc who makes it lol