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[Nintendo Switch] Almost 8 years of awesomeness. Switch 2 in 2025?
7 months before March is still "by March" so that logic does not hold up. It literally means any time between now and March.
You underestimate rules that publicly traded companies have to follow for communications. Company statements directly affect share price, which affects company value. And company making statements that are knowingly inaccurate/misleading can result in regulatory scrutiny.
Saying you're going to do a thing "before march" and then actually doing it in, say, July, has the potential to being interpreted as misleading shareholders. Again, it feels like semantics to us, since July is before march, so they're doing something by March. But for multi-billion dollar companies, what they say, how they say it, matters.
In a much simpler example, Let's say I'm working on a project at work, and I tell my boss it'll take me 6 months to finish it, and I actually finish it in a month. Yes, that's great that I finished it so quickly, but then the question moves to "but why did you say it would take 6 months if it only took a month." I can't keep doing that over an over, because then it looks like I'm trying to stretch things out so I'm given less work to do overall.
The financial world doesn't really care about things like that. Missing a deadline? The stock market would freak out. Doing a thing ahead of deadline? More golden backscratchers for investors.
It's all about whether a company will make money. Missing a deadline doesn't make money. Releasing something early makes money. Simple as that.
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7 months before March is still "by March" so that logic does not hold up. It literally means any time between now and March.
You underestimate rules that publicly traded companies have to follow for communications. Company statements directly affect share price, which affects company value. And company making statements that are knowingly inaccurate/misleading can result in regulatory scrutiny.
Saying you're going to do a thing "before march" and then actually doing it in, say, July, has the potential to being interpreted as misleading shareholders. Again, it feels like semantics to us, since July is before march, so they're doing something by March. But for multi-billion dollar companies, what they say, how they say it, matters.
In a much simpler example, Let's say I'm working on a project at work, and I tell my boss it'll take me 6 months to finish it, and I actually finish it in a month. Yes, that's great that I finished it so quickly, but then the question moves to "but why did you say it would take 6 months if it only took a month." I can't keep doing that over an over, because then it looks like I'm trying to stretch things out so I'm given less work to do overall.
The financial world doesn't really care about things like that. Missing a deadline? The stock market would freak out. Doing a thing ahead of deadline? More golden backscratchers for investors.
It's all about whether a company will make money. Missing a deadline doesn't make money. Releasing something early makes money. Simple as that.
Again. No. saying you're going to do something by a date further out than you plan to can depress share value. A shareholder can go "well that sucks, I'm going to sell now because the date is further out than I wanted it to be, and my money is better invested elsewhere" If I sell my shares at $10 because you said you weren't going to a do a thing and then you do it early and that causes the share price to go up to $15, you just cost me $5 a share because you did not accurately tell me about your plans. That's a lawsuit.
A publicly traded company's primary responsibility is not to make money for itself. It is to increase shareholder value. Often times making more money is the fastest way to increasing shareholder value, but they are not the same thing. This is not me saying I agree with it, or endorse it. But a company is, actually, not trying to make the most money possible. They are trying to increase share price.
7 months before March is still "by March" so that logic does not hold up. It literally means any time between now and March.
You underestimate rules that publicly traded companies have to follow for communications. Company statements directly affect share price, which affects company value. And company making statements that are knowingly inaccurate/misleading can result in regulatory scrutiny.
Saying you're going to do a thing "before march" and then actually doing it in, say, July, has the potential to being interpreted as misleading shareholders. Again, it feels like semantics to us, since July is before march, so they're doing something by March. But for multi-billion dollar companies, what they say, how they say it, matters.
In a much simpler example, Let's say I'm working on a project at work, and I tell my boss it'll take me 6 months to finish it, and I actually finish it in a month. Yes, that's great that I finished it so quickly, but then the question moves to "but why did you say it would take 6 months if it only took a month." I can't keep doing that over an over, because then it looks like I'm trying to stretch things out so I'm given less work to do overall.
The financial world doesn't really care about things like that. Missing a deadline? The stock market would freak out. Doing a thing ahead of deadline? More golden backscratchers for investors.
It's all about whether a company will make money. Missing a deadline doesn't make money. Releasing something early makes money. Simple as that.
Again. No. saying you're going to do something by a date further out than you plan to can depress share value. A shareholder can go "well that sucks, I'm going to sell now because the date is further out than I wanted it to be, and my money is better invested elsewhere" If I sell my shares at $10 because you said you weren't going to a do a thing and then you do it early and that causes the share price to go up to $15, you just cost me $5 a share because you did not accurately tell me about your plans. That's a lawsuit.
A publicly traded company's primary responsibility is not to make money for itself. It is to increase shareholder value. Often times making more money is the fastest way to increasing shareholder value, but they are not the same thing. This is not me saying I agree with it, or endorse it. But a company is, actually, not trying to make the most money possible. They are trying to increase share price.
Lawsuit? What? At this point I'm going to have to ask for some precedent that a company making more money than expected somehow annoyed shareholders, because I really, really haven't ever seen that happen in the business world.
"Based on the development, we're increasing our quarterly guidance from X to Y." Boom. Done. Positive press, zero lies, happy shareholders. Happens all the time.
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Why the crap did I ever make my original name "cloudeagle?"
Am I being deeply stupid by thinking that the reason they haven't released the Switch 2 is that they're not ready to release it yet, rather than a bid to maximise shareholder value or something?
Maybe it's taking this long to make enough that it won't be a PS5 situation where they're a myth for the first year.
Or maybe they don't want to release it until they have a decent selection of games to make it worth it and actually show off the new hardware, so they don't get a bunch of descriptions calling it a Switch Pro and claiming that every Switch 2 game could just be made available on the Switch (as also happened to the PS5)?
I think for people who game 100% on Switch, poor performance is something you just get accustomed to. When you're used to PS5 and XSX, playing Switch feels like such a downgrade that you can't ignore it.
I play pretty solidly 50/50 on Switch and PS5 but still don't really notice the difference for most games. I'm very insensitive to frame rates, it's whatever. I can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60 and have an even harder time with things over 60. The occasional slowdown or jutter in games feels like the most normal thing in the world to me, because it's been there as far back as I can ever remember.
Honestly, the only game's frame rate that stuck out to me was Elden Ring, specifically, the PS5 version. For whatever reason, moving the camera back and forth sort of made me nauseated. I ended up switching over to the PS4 version and ran it on the PS5 and I was fine. I've played tons of other games with definitely worse frame rates, but that was weirdly the only one to bother me.
Manufacturer leaks are whatever, but retail leaks mean its announcing soon, like next week soon. They don't want retail knowing much earlier than they need to for setting up preorders.
Also a bunch of unknown games (with known studios) was posed in a french retailer apparently. Fair amount of third parties lining up for launch it seems.
This - I guess you'd call it a story trailer - has some mild spoiler-y bits in it. And also confirms that XCX: DE will have some extra stuff in it that wasn't in the original.
This - I guess you'd call it a story trailer - has some mild spoiler-y bits in it. And also confirms that XCX: DE will have some extra stuff in it that wasn't in the original.
So on one hand, I was thinking that I can't imagine Nintendo coming out with a game right now that makes me wanna buy a new console right away, but on the other hand, if they announce that existing games would have improved performance, I might just get it to enjoy my current library more (and maybe pick up some games I passed on due to known issues).
In regards to ducks and rows, I would feel like $399, maaaaaybe $449 if there are higher tier SKUs, and a late spring, early summer release is probably going to be the reality of it.
Nintendo OLED is $350, and I don't see them going at that price or lower given general price levels right now. $400 puts them in line with the Steamdeck and a little lower than the PS5 Digital. They probably don't want to be the same price as the PS5 Digital, that's not a great look even if they are a different type of platform, being handheld and all.
They are clearly interested in avoiding product shortages, and they are clearly comfortable with a spring time release. So a spring/summer release allows them to get the first wave or two of early adopters out of the way and get production and hype up for the 2025 holiday season.
I'll be interested to see if, and how much, the drop current Switch prices to.
I have no qualms paying $400 for a launch Switch 2. Of course, there will like be some Switch 2 XL S Pro released down the line that I’ll also have to shell out for because I like new shiny toys but that’s ok
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I do appreciate that the improved Switch versions have been entirely handheld improvements.
Since i only play docked i don't even need to consider them!
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In regards to ducks and rows, I would feel like $399, maaaaaybe $449 if there are higher tier SKUs, and a late spring, early summer release is probably going to be the reality of it.
Nintendo OLED is $350, and I don't see them going at that price or lower given general price levels right now. $400 puts them in line with the Steamdeck and a little lower than the PS5 Digital. They probably don't want to be the same price as the PS5 Digital, that's not a great look even if they are a different type of platform, being handheld and all.
They are clearly interested in avoiding product shortages, and they are clearly comfortable with a spring time release. So a spring/summer release allows them to get the first wave or two of early adopters out of the way and get production and hype up for the 2025 holiday season.
I'll be interested to see if, and how much, the drop current Switch prices to.
Supposedly part of the (alleged) reasoning behind the (alleged) delay from last year was to make sure they could make abundant stock to meet launch demand. Dunno how true that is, but it would be a real switch from Nintendo's usually conservative manufacturing output. Probably a good move though, especially since Switch 2 is looking like the safest of bets.
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Amazon is cancelling Metroid Prime 4 preorders. There goes the one I've had since 2018!
I don't think Amazon sells any first party Nintendo products these days, and hasn't for a while now (Nintendo and Amazon had a falling out over counterfeit sales, I believe). I'm surprised it took them this long to cancel old preorders.
I don't think Amazon sells any first party Nintendo products these days, and hasn't for a while now (Nintendo and Amazon had a falling out over counterfeit sales, I believe). I'm surprised it took them this long to cancel old preorders.
I don't think Amazon sells any first party Nintendo products these days, and hasn't for a while now (Nintendo and Amazon had a falling out over counterfeit sales, I believe). I'm surprised it took them this long to cancel old preorders.
Yeah, while they list them and are shipped through Amazon, they're all sold through a 3rd party seller.
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The financial world doesn't really care about things like that. Missing a deadline? The stock market would freak out. Doing a thing ahead of deadline? More golden backscratchers for investors.
It's all about whether a company will make money. Missing a deadline doesn't make money. Releasing something early makes money. Simple as that.
Again. No. saying you're going to do something by a date further out than you plan to can depress share value. A shareholder can go "well that sucks, I'm going to sell now because the date is further out than I wanted it to be, and my money is better invested elsewhere" If I sell my shares at $10 because you said you weren't going to a do a thing and then you do it early and that causes the share price to go up to $15, you just cost me $5 a share because you did not accurately tell me about your plans. That's a lawsuit.
A publicly traded company's primary responsibility is not to make money for itself. It is to increase shareholder value. Often times making more money is the fastest way to increasing shareholder value, but they are not the same thing. This is not me saying I agree with it, or endorse it. But a company is, actually, not trying to make the most money possible. They are trying to increase share price.
Lawsuit? What? At this point I'm going to have to ask for some precedent that a company making more money than expected somehow annoyed shareholders, because I really, really haven't ever seen that happen in the business world.
"Based on the development, we're increasing our quarterly guidance from X to Y." Boom. Done. Positive press, zero lies, happy shareholders. Happens all the time.
Maybe it's taking this long to make enough that it won't be a PS5 situation where they're a myth for the first year.
Or maybe they don't want to release it until they have a decent selection of games to make it worth it and actually show off the new hardware, so they don't get a bunch of descriptions calling it a Switch Pro and claiming that every Switch 2 game could just be made available on the Switch (as also happened to the PS5)?
I play pretty solidly 50/50 on Switch and PS5 but still don't really notice the difference for most games. I'm very insensitive to frame rates, it's whatever. I can barely tell the difference between 30 and 60 and have an even harder time with things over 60. The occasional slowdown or jutter in games feels like the most normal thing in the world to me, because it's been there as far back as I can ever remember.
Honestly, the only game's frame rate that stuck out to me was Elden Ring, specifically, the PS5 version. For whatever reason, moving the camera back and forth sort of made me nauseated. I ended up switching over to the PS4 version and ran it on the PS5 and I was fine. I've played tons of other games with definitely worse frame rates, but that was weirdly the only one to bother me.
Also a bunch of unknown games (with known studios) was posed in a french retailer apparently. Fair amount of third parties lining up for launch it seems.
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Cool, I can put 60 hours in to get nowhere again.
Less than nowhere if there's more in it?
Also, on Switch 2, I'm sure I heard somewhere that Nintendo want big amounts of stock ready to make sure they counter scalpers etc.
Did I hear it here or on reddit as a rumour, did Nintendo say it at some point?
I don't know. I could be spreading an unfounded rumour myself now, I am honestly not sure.
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How will ducks help you with purchasing a Switch 2?
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Nintendo OLED is $350, and I don't see them going at that price or lower given general price levels right now. $400 puts them in line with the Steamdeck and a little lower than the PS5 Digital. They probably don't want to be the same price as the PS5 Digital, that's not a great look even if they are a different type of platform, being handheld and all.
They are clearly interested in avoiding product shortages, and they are clearly comfortable with a spring time release. So a spring/summer release allows them to get the first wave or two of early adopters out of the way and get production and hype up for the 2025 holiday season.
I'll be interested to see if, and how much, the drop current Switch prices to.
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Since i only play docked i don't even need to consider them!
I bet they are baking in modest tarrif risk.
If tarrifs go nuts, most companies will not have a hard time raising prices and pinning the blame elsewhere.
If that happens, I assume the prices in Europe will rise to match.
Supposedly part of the (alleged) reasoning behind the (alleged) delay from last year was to make sure they could make abundant stock to meet launch demand. Dunno how true that is, but it would be a real switch from Nintendo's usually conservative manufacturing output. Probably a good move though, especially since Switch 2 is looking like the safest of bets.
They did have another weird beef going on for months, but given that Echoes of Wisdom is being sold directly by Amazon, that seems to be over now?
Never mind, see below.
Yeah, while they list them and are shipped through Amazon, they're all sold through a 3rd party seller.
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