Mid-range game is still king though...despite all the hype around 3s and Derozan is a mid-range god. I agree though, I think his age and defense are his biggest knocks. Someone may get him for a steal.
Especially since apparently Dirk Nowitzki made $242 million - over his 21 year career.
It is CRAZY how much the money has skyrocketed in such a short time. Good for them, but good lord, if you're a more than decent player you can get 200 million.
If you were to draft the biggest flops, Anthony Bennet could go number 1.
But really, thats just because of his draft number. It was one of those years (like this last one) where someone has to go number 1. They call it bargnani-ing. No one actually thought he was a star.
Come to think of it, i really dont know what kind of prospect he was. What was he supposed to be good at? Was the idea some kind of, like, proto-Zion or something?
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Mid-range game is still king though...despite all the hype around 3s and Derozan is a mid-range god. I agree though, I think his age and defense are his biggest knocks. Someone may get him for a steal.
Boston just sleepwalked their way to the NBA Championship averaging 40 attempts from three per postseason game. The shot chart from game 5 of the Finals has like 9-total mid-range shots outside the paint. That's both teams.
Not sure how mid-range game is "king" of anything anymore. The Kobe era is long gone.
Mid-range game is still king though...despite all the hype around 3s and Derozan is a mid-range god. I agree though, I think his age and defense are his biggest knocks. Someone may get him for a steal.
Boston just sleepwalked their way to the NBA Championship averaging 40 attempts from three per postseason game. The shot chart from game 5 of the Finals has like 9-total mid-range shots outside the paint. That's both teams.
Not sure how mid-range game is "king" of anything anymore. The Kobe era is long gone.
As a team, yeah, but I wouldn't call Brown or Tatum 3 point shooters really. Tatum and Brown together made 5 3s a game. Shai, mid-range. KD, mid-range. Jamal Murray, mid-range. Kyrie, mid-range. Luka...outside of Curry, who are the big stars that are mainly considered 3 point shooters?
Mid-range game is still king though...despite all the hype around 3s and Derozan is a mid-range god. I agree though, I think his age and defense are his biggest knocks. Someone may get him for a steal.
Boston just sleepwalked their way to the NBA Championship averaging 40 attempts from three per postseason game. The shot chart from game 5 of the Finals has like 9-total mid-range shots outside the paint. That's both teams.
Not sure how mid-range game is "king" of anything anymore. The Kobe era is long gone.
As a team, yeah, but I wouldn't call Brown or Tatum 3 point shooters really. Tatum and Brown together made 5 3s a game. Shai, mid-range. KD, mid-range. Jamal Murray, mid-range. Kyrie, mid-range. Luka...outside of Curry, who are the big stars that are mainly considered 3 point shooters?
mmm, ok, maybe not Luka, he takes a ton of 3s now.
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There is absolutely value in mid-range shots like elbow jumpers for opening up the paint, but only among players that can shoot them at a very high percentage like the players you mentioned and many of them also are expected to shoot well from three. Murray shot 42% from three, Kyrie 41%, KD 41%, and it wouldn't surprise me if Shae tried to increase his percentage from three though it's respectable. Tatum averaged over 8 threes a game which wouldn't work very well if he didn't hit 37% of them. Mitchell has averaged more than 9 threes a game the last three seasons.
The mid-range specialist is about as alive as disco in 2024. You still see its influence on the league, but there are about as many young players looking to be the next Derozan as there are young musicians looking to be the next Bee Gees.
Mid-range game is still king though...despite all the hype around 3s and Derozan is a mid-range god. I agree though, I think his age and defense are his biggest knocks. Someone may get him for a steal.
Boston just sleepwalked their way to the NBA Championship averaging 40 attempts from three per postseason game. The shot chart from game 5 of the Finals has like 9-total mid-range shots outside the paint. That's both teams.
Not sure how mid-range game is "king" of anything anymore. The Kobe era is long gone.
As a team, yeah, but I wouldn't call Brown or Tatum 3 point shooters really. Tatum and Brown together made 5 3s a game. Shai, mid-range. KD, mid-range. Jamal Murray, mid-range. Kyrie, mid-range. Luka...outside of Curry, who are the big stars that are mainly considered 3 point shooters?
mmm, ok, maybe not Luka, he takes a ton of 3s now.
He's always taken a bunch of 3's, even though he hits at or below the league average. This season is the first time he's cleared the league average but he generally has top 15 attempt numbers
There is absolutely value in mid-range shots like elbow jumpers for opening up the paint, but only among players that can shoot them at a very high percentage like the players you mentioned and many of them also are expected to shoot well from three. Murray shot 42% from three, Kyrie 41%, KD 41%, and it wouldn't surprise me if Shae tried to increase his percentage from three though it's respectable. Tatum averaged over 8 threes a game which wouldn't work very well if he didn't hit 37% of them. Mitchell has averaged more than 9 threes a game the last three seasons.
The mid-range specialist is about as alive as disco in 2024. You still see its influence on the league, but there are about as many young players looking to be the next Derozan as there are young musicians looking to be the next Bee Gees.
That's actually shocking Mitchell takes that many 3s. He often is a volume shooter. Sounds like Jordan Poole taking 8 3s a game. Like yeah you can, but your mid-range game is so much better.
turns out 3 is worth 50% more than 2, so even a much better game is still worse.
3 pt line rules are going to have to be changed in the next 5 years, teams are going to be shooting 100+ 3pts a game combined soon.
Does it?
I'm not convinced that the importance of the 3-point shot an inherently bad thing for the game. The reality is that even in today's game, height (or, more specifically, vertical reach) can be an overwhelming advantage. It might actually be healthier for the sport overall if its value was neutered because it expands the population of players and, perhaps more importantly, makes youth and amateur basketball less about overt physical attributes and more about skill.
An interesting thought experiment for me would be, rather than getting rid of the 3-point line, if they added a 1-point circle under the basket. So, if a player releases the ball within that area, it would only count as 1 point (including free throws).
There is absolutely value in mid-range shots like elbow jumpers for opening up the paint, but only among players that can shoot them at a very high percentage like the players you mentioned and many of them also are expected to shoot well from three. Murray shot 42% from three, Kyrie 41%, KD 41%, and it wouldn't surprise me if Shae tried to increase his percentage from three though it's respectable. Tatum averaged over 8 threes a game which wouldn't work very well if he didn't hit 37% of them. Mitchell has averaged more than 9 threes a game the last three seasons.
The mid-range specialist is about as alive as disco in 2024. You still see its influence on the league, but there are about as many young players looking to be the next Derozan as there are young musicians looking to be the next Bee Gees.
That's actually shocking Mitchell takes that many 3s. He often is a volume shooter. Sounds like Jordan Poole taking 8 3s a game. Like yeah you can, but your mid-range game is so much better.
Maybe to you, but since I've been watching roughly 70% of his games the last two years its not shocking to me. He loves step back and walk up threes and knows that he shoots at a high enough percentage that the decision is justified.
Also, Donovan's mid range is respectable but still a tool for opening up the paint. He's much more comfortable either driving to the basket or shooting from long range.
He likes to pull up around the free throw line more than I realized, but that chart makes it clear his shot selection tends to be either a layup or a three point attempt.
While I don't really have an opinion on DeRozan, love that Harrison Barnes goes to the Spurs. That gives them 2 very veteran players in Barnes and Paul for Wemby and all the other young no-names. Spurs gonna be better than we probably expect next season.
turns out 3 is worth 50% more than 2, so even a much better game is still worse.
3 pt line rules are going to have to be changed in the next 5 years, teams are going to be shooting 100+ 3pts a game combined soon.
Does it?
I'm not convinced that the importance of the 3-point shot an inherently bad thing for the game. The reality is that even in today's game, height (or, more specifically, vertical reach) can be an overwhelming advantage. It might actually be healthier for the sport overall if its value was neutered because it expands the population of players and, perhaps more importantly, makes youth and amateur basketball less about overt physical attributes and more about skill.
An interesting thought experiment for me would be, rather than getting rid of the 3-point line, if they added a 1-point circle under the basket. So, if a player releases the ball within that area, it would only count as 1 point (including free throws).
i want to watch basketball, not 3 point shooting contests. if they added a 1 point circle under the basket they would shoot 150+ 3s a game, literally this year’s all star game tier play.
idk, anyone who thinks the current direction of basketball is sustainable needs to watch that asg and tell me they had fun.
There is absolutely value in mid-range shots like elbow jumpers for opening up the paint, but only among players that can shoot them at a very high percentage like the players you mentioned and many of them also are expected to shoot well from three. Murray shot 42% from three, Kyrie 41%, KD 41%, and it wouldn't surprise me if Shae tried to increase his percentage from three though it's respectable. Tatum averaged over 8 threes a game which wouldn't work very well if he didn't hit 37% of them. Mitchell has averaged more than 9 threes a game the last three seasons.
The mid-range specialist is about as alive as disco in 2024. You still see its influence on the league, but there are about as many young players looking to be the next Derozan as there are young musicians looking to be the next Bee Gees.
That's actually shocking Mitchell takes that many 3s. He often is a volume shooter. Sounds like Jordan Poole taking 8 3s a game. Like yeah you can, but your mid-range game is so much better.
Maybe to you, but since I've been watching roughly 70% of his games the last two years its not shocking to me. He loves step back and walk up threes and knows that he shoots at a high enough percentage that the decision is justified.
Also, Donovan's mid range is respectable but still a tool for opening up the paint. He's much more comfortable either driving to the basket or shooting from long range.
He likes to pull up around the free throw line more than I realized, but that chart makes it clear his shot selection tends to be either a layup or a three point attempt.
It's too bad that doesn't show his percentages, I'm sure his midrange is much better.
In other news, we have a 4 POINT HIGHLIGHT REEL for Bronny James:
Steph Curry, basketball “player” revealed to the world today that he is a fraud.
On social media for Team USA Curry revealed that he cannot spin a basketball on a finger. Not a single one.
The league has released a statement on how embarrassed they are and have promised all the team’s fraudulent records will be scrubbed within a few days.
When you max out your shooting skill you don't have enough points to spend on other globe trotter frivolity
The Washington generals would still kill to have him
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Steph Curry, basketball “player” revealed to the world today that he is a fraud.
On social media for Team USA Curry revealed that he cannot spin a basketball on a finger. Not a single one.
The league has released a statement on how embarrassed they are and have promised all the team’s fraudulent records will be scrubbed within a few days.
What I found interesting is that this is actually a pretty common thing amongst current NBA players. Apparently the ball-spinning trick was only uber popular during the 90's-2000's, and after that fewer and fewer players would learn how to do it growing up.
Zach Edey showed in his first NBA summer league game that he's already better than Walker Kessler who's in his third year and played 63 games last year. Can't wait to see him with the actual Memphis starters.
ESPN has a little “game” where you can pick a starting lineup for the men’s Olympic team and compare the predicted performance using RAPTOR (Link). I find the “right” answer to be absolutely disgusting.
Kind of fun to think about how I would construct the team though. I probably follow the Minnesota/Boston mold of a bunch of tall dudes who can score and are ok to good at defense, and then a good pg defender.
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the fiba rules are some hot garbage though, you need guys who can adapt to that
True. Also I’m probably overthinking the defense aspect since not a lot of excellent ball handlers in the “field” as it were. I mean the sure there’s teams with Jokic/Wemby/Shai type players, but usually only one per team (scoring ability probably falls off pretty steeply after the best player). So maybe Curry wouldn’t be a terrible choice in there for some more free wheeling escapades.
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well you gotta get your ball heavy dudes like bam, bron and KD outta there
the FIBA meta is all about ball movement, you combine it with dudes that can do a d'antoni style 7 second offense and you're golden
maybe we go super small with steph, ant, kawhi and tyrese just zip that ball all over the place, them international big men can't keep up
stupid webpage won't let you field four guards and a forward cause its too OP
the only time embiid should be in there is to knock rudy the fuck out if we end up facing france also we might need to put a body on giannis, but thats about it
looking at the rosters, canada is the only one thats semi scary, but fuck dillon brooks, hopefully they get knocked out in the group stage (also hahah didn't know the zach edey is canadian, lol hopefully he gets to play a bit so the international scouts can evaluate him)
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It is CRAZY how much the money has skyrocketed in such a short time. Good for them, but good lord, if you're a more than decent player you can get 200 million.
I was about to say...there has been FAR worse than Kwame Brown, Bennet tops the list.
But really, thats just because of his draft number. It was one of those years (like this last one) where someone has to go number 1. They call it bargnani-ing. No one actually thought he was a star.
Come to think of it, i really dont know what kind of prospect he was. What was he supposed to be good at? Was the idea some kind of, like, proto-Zion or something?
Boston just sleepwalked their way to the NBA Championship averaging 40 attempts from three per postseason game. The shot chart from game 5 of the Finals has like 9-total mid-range shots outside the paint. That's both teams.
Not sure how mid-range game is "king" of anything anymore. The Kobe era is long gone.
As a team, yeah, but I wouldn't call Brown or Tatum 3 point shooters really. Tatum and Brown together made 5 3s a game. Shai, mid-range. KD, mid-range. Jamal Murray, mid-range. Kyrie, mid-range. Luka...outside of Curry, who are the big stars that are mainly considered 3 point shooters?
mmm, ok, maybe not Luka, he takes a ton of 3s now.
The mid-range specialist is about as alive as disco in 2024. You still see its influence on the league, but there are about as many young players looking to be the next Derozan as there are young musicians looking to be the next Bee Gees.
He's always taken a bunch of 3's, even though he hits at or below the league average. This season is the first time he's cleared the league average but he generally has top 15 attempt numbers
That's actually shocking Mitchell takes that many 3s. He often is a volume shooter. Sounds like Jordan Poole taking 8 3s a game. Like yeah you can, but your mid-range game is so much better.
3 pt line rules are going to have to be changed in the next 5 years, teams are going to be shooting 100+ 3pts a game combined soon.
Derozan 3/70 to the Kings
Does it?
I'm not convinced that the importance of the 3-point shot an inherently bad thing for the game. The reality is that even in today's game, height (or, more specifically, vertical reach) can be an overwhelming advantage. It might actually be healthier for the sport overall if its value was neutered because it expands the population of players and, perhaps more importantly, makes youth and amateur basketball less about overt physical attributes and more about skill.
An interesting thought experiment for me would be, rather than getting rid of the 3-point line, if they added a 1-point circle under the basket. So, if a player releases the ball within that area, it would only count as 1 point (including free throws).
Ugh I really wanted to root for him next year
Maybe to you, but since I've been watching roughly 70% of his games the last two years its not shocking to me. He loves step back and walk up threes and knows that he shoots at a high enough percentage that the decision is justified.
Also, Donovan's mid range is respectable but still a tool for opening up the paint. He's much more comfortable either driving to the basket or shooting from long range.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/donovan-mitchell-shot-chart-this-year
He likes to pull up around the free throw line more than I realized, but that chart makes it clear his shot selection tends to be either a layup or a three point attempt.
While I don't really have an opinion on DeRozan, love that Harrison Barnes goes to the Spurs. That gives them 2 very veteran players in Barnes and Paul for Wemby and all the other young no-names. Spurs gonna be better than we probably expect next season.
i want to watch basketball, not 3 point shooting contests. if they added a 1 point circle under the basket they would shoot 150+ 3s a game, literally this year’s all star game tier play.
idk, anyone who thinks the current direction of basketball is sustainable needs to watch that asg and tell me they had fun.
It's too bad that doesn't show his percentages, I'm sure his midrange is much better.
In other news, we have a 4 POINT HIGHLIGHT REEL for Bronny James:
Just...wow
Jrue Holiday getting the Tenacious D Award.
On social media for Team USA Curry revealed that he cannot spin a basketball on a finger. Not a single one.
The league has released a statement on how embarrassed they are and have promised all the team’s fraudulent records will be scrubbed within a few days.
The Washington generals would still kill to have him
What I found interesting is that this is actually a pretty common thing amongst current NBA players. Apparently the ball-spinning trick was only uber popular during the 90's-2000's, and after that fewer and fewer players would learn how to do it growing up.
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Kind of fun to think about how I would construct the team though. I probably follow the Minnesota/Boston mold of a bunch of tall dudes who can score and are ok to good at defense, and then a good pg defender.
True. Also I’m probably overthinking the defense aspect since not a lot of excellent ball handlers in the “field” as it were. I mean the sure there’s teams with Jokic/Wemby/Shai type players, but usually only one per team (scoring ability probably falls off pretty steeply after the best player). So maybe Curry wouldn’t be a terrible choice in there for some more free wheeling escapades.
I chose Steph, Jrue, Lebron, KD, and Bam.
Apparently that is the worst possible lineup
the FIBA meta is all about ball movement, you combine it with dudes that can do a d'antoni style 7 second offense and you're golden
maybe we go super small with steph, ant, kawhi and tyrese just zip that ball all over the place, them international big men can't keep up
stupid webpage won't let you field four guards and a forward cause its too OP
the only time embiid should be in there is to knock rudy the fuck out if we end up facing france also we might need to put a body on giannis, but thats about it
looking at the rosters, canada is the only one thats semi scary, but fuck dillon brooks, hopefully they get knocked out in the group stage (also hahah didn't know the zach edey is canadian, lol hopefully he gets to play a bit so the international scouts can evaluate him)
Hey, wait a minute. The site has Kyrie but he's not apart of the team.