PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thanks, Ramius, that was genuinely the funniest thing I’ve read in at least the last couple weeks. And all unintentional too! Imagine what heights you could achieve if you used your powers for good instead of this… steaming pile of civility you posted.
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
Of course, there are always some people who just want to see the world burn. I'm not trying to speak to those people. By themselves, they rarely have the power to do it. They need a coalition. They need backers. That's where you come in. When you see a spark, cover it. Don't fan the flames. And don't buy into the deceptive lure of righteous indignation.
Just to kinda point something out
This is really fucking weird language to use. Like, borderline politician speech level of vague posting. Just super fucking weird to see from an admin.
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
I want something to present to Geebs, be it to change policy or as a basis for what you all want in new mods. Doesn't mean you will get that, but it does offer your thoughts and feelings instead of a general vibe from the forums. Because we don't want to simply go along with the majority here; it is important to consider all angles so we can compromise or being accommodating where possible.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
Of course, there are always some people who just want to see the world burn. I'm not trying to speak to those people. By themselves, they rarely have the power to do it. They need a coalition. They need backers. That's where you come in. When you see a spark, cover it. Don't fan the flames. And don't buy into the deceptive lure of righteous indignation.
Just to kinda point something out
This is really fucking weird language to use. Like, borderline politician speech level of vague posting. Just super fucking weird to see from an admin.
honestly it's disgusting. revealing, but disgusting
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
I want something to present to Geebs, be it to change policy or as a basis for what you all want in new mods. Doesn't mean you will get that, but it does offer your thoughts and feelings instead of a general vibe from the forums. Because we don't want to simply go along with the majority here; it is important to consider all angles so we can compromise or being accommodating where possible.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
I think the point they were getting at is that there was already a round of feedback that Geebs requested to be sent to him and he gave the impression that he would review that feedback and come back with a more thoughtful response. That response hasn’t come yet, so I think people would wonder what another round of feedback will accomplish.
It's a wierd saying, so let's get a full description from ChatGPT
"Cut off your nose to spite your face" is an idiomatic expression that means to take a drastic action that is intended to harm someone else but ultimately causes more harm to oneself. It often refers to a self-destructive act motivated by anger, revenge, or stubbornness, where the person inflicting the harm on themselves does so to make a point or to hurt another, but the action ends up being more detrimental to them than to the intended target.
For example, if someone quits their job in a fit of anger because they had a minor disagreement with their boss, they might be "cutting off their nose to spite their face." The intent is to show the boss that they won't tolerate the disagreement, but the result is that they lose their source of income and potentially harm their career more than they harm their boss.
The phrase emphasizes the irrationality and counterproductive nature of such actions.
Of course, there are always some people who just want to see the world burn. I'm not trying to speak to those people. By themselves, they rarely have the power to do it. They need a coalition. They need backers. That's where you come in. When you see a spark, cover it. Don't fan the flames. And don't buy into the deceptive lure of righteous indignation.
Just to kinda point something out
This is really fucking weird language to use. Like, borderline politician speech level of vague posting. Just super fucking weird to see from an admin.
Why would it be weird in this particular moment in history to vaguely allude to unnamed, undefined bad actors and urge the masses to conform and snuff out others when they don’t? Seems normal. I don’t think it’s badly worded at all.
Anyway the main thing is our desire for change is both irrelevant because it’s just a games forum but also the same as wanting to burn the world down.
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
I want something to present to Geebs, be it to change policy or as a basis for what you all want in new mods. Doesn't mean you will get that, but it does offer your thoughts and feelings instead of a general vibe from the forums. Because we don't want to simply go along with the majority here; it is important to consider all angles so we can compromise or being accommodating where possible.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
I kinda thought we had already done this a few times with the grievance threads, but those admittedly did get kind of sprawling.
I gotta be honest all this is just looking like a pretty classic case of a guy with power on the forums wandering over and making a post without consulting anyone and the mod team desperately trying to make sure that it doesn't set off a powderkeg
I just saw this, since I hate announcements and stuff. But hey dude.
Anyways, this thread just shows why we need an active poster as a mod. Somebody who vibes, who the other posters know, and who can wield a bit of soft power. And doesn't just lurk behind the scenes and cleans things up.
edit: not that Whippy isn't doing a great job with what she's doing. But more than one is good.
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If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
I want something to present to Geebs, be it to change policy or as a basis for what you all want in new mods. Doesn't mean you will get that, but it does offer your thoughts and feelings instead of a general vibe from the forums. Because we don't want to simply go along with the majority here; it is important to consider all angles so we can compromise or being accommodating where possible.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
I think the point they were getting at is that there was already a round of feedback that Geebs requested to be sent to him and he gave the impression that he would review that feedback and come back with a more thoughtful response. That response hasn’t come yet, so I think people would wonder what another round of feedback will accomplish.
Just to emphasize what Marathon's saying
Geebs said they were going to read through the thread and provide a response. They didn't do that. Geebs said they were gonna get a new mod. They didn't do that. From what I can tell they basically don't have an inclination to read through or consider anything that's already been said, which doesn't really convince me that bringing them a bunch of DMs will do anything either, especially since other people have DM'ed Geebs before and gotten nothing.
This isn't a slight against you Sterica, I appreciate what you're tying to do, I just don't really see much point to it.
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
I want something to present to Geebs, be it to change policy or as a basis for what you all want in new mods. Doesn't mean you will get that, but it does offer your thoughts and feelings instead of a general vibe from the forums. Because we don't want to simply go along with the majority here; it is important to consider all angles so we can compromise or being accommodating where possible.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
I think the point they were getting at is that there was already a round of feedback that Geebs requested to be sent to him and he gave the impression that he would review that feedback and come back with a more thoughtful response. That response hasn’t come yet, so I think people would wonder what another round of feedback will accomplish.
I'm doing what I can, sorry. Just to get something productive from this thread.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
everyone please be cool, if this thread stays open. we are humans trying to maintain a community that we love very much; unpaid volunteers with less support than your local american public school. we are not immune from criticism but also i have been doing this for twenty years and am so tired
Whippy no one is criticising you, (or if they did they suck), if you are too tired or busy to do this job then yeah, fair enough. The actual consistent message that I’ve seen though is that it’s unfair for just you to do it and we think there need to be more resources in order to support you and the regular folk.
There is a definite secondary issue of both other forum mod overstep, and them abusing their power to force people into other place re: here and therefore complaints tend to surface here, but again none of it I think is criticism of you.
yeah shout outs to whippy. sorry to her that she's gotta deal with this forum basically solo but i appreciate that she's here
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
some people just wake up at dawn with the drive to do an aaron sorkin speech and have to consult the robots to get there
PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
I want something to present to Geebs, be it to change policy or as a basis for what you all want in new mods. Doesn't mean you will get that, but it does offer your thoughts and feelings instead of a general vibe from the forums. Because we don't want to simply go along with the majority here; it is important to consider all angles so we can compromise or being accommodating where possible.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
I think the point they were getting at is that there was already a round of feedback that Geebs requested to be sent to him and he gave the impression that he would review that feedback and come back with a more thoughtful response. That response hasn’t come yet, so I think people would wonder what another round of feedback will accomplish.
I'm doing what I can, sorry. Just to get something productive from this thread.
Hey, look. I appreciate you're trying. But I honestly think this is kinda above you to a certain extent cause Geebs themself said they'd try and do something about this.
Of course, there are always some people who just want to see the world burn. I'm not trying to speak to those people. By themselves, they rarely have the power to do it. They need a coalition. They need backers. That's where you come in. When you see a spark, cover it. Don't fan the flames. And don't buy into the deceptive lure of righteous indignation.
Just to kinda point something out
This is really fucking weird language to use. Like, borderline politician speech level of vague posting. Just super fucking weird to see from an admin.
honestly it's disgusting. revealing, but disgusting
"Please stop othering people" said with language that explicitly others people.
I literally don't think anything comes from these situations until Geebs is back. I understand it's stressful from the moderation standpoint, but if I was in the position at this point I would genuinely just ban discussion of the topic until then, and deal with the people who are so terminally forum-brained that this is transgressive to them. Everything else is just going to get people heated and get tensions up.
I literally don't think anything comes from these situations until Geebs is back. I understand it's stressful from the moderation standpoint, but if I was in the position at this point I would genuinely just ban discussion of the topic until then, and deal with the people who are so terminally forum-brained that this is transgressive to them. Everything else is just going to get people heated and get tensions up.
Seriously, is Geebs ok? His absence has me legitimately worried for him.
I think if something serious has happened, it's best to respect Geebs' right to privacy.
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PM me your concerns, feedback, and what you want: specifically for SE++ and the rest of the forums as a whole. I know we've already done this publicly, but now you'll have anonymity from the rest of the boards. I will not punish you for anything said, unless you tell me the forums are too gay or something similarly weird/awful.
Keep in mind that while private, the admin have full access to PMs and so they could peek at any time. So maybe consider when reaching out. Or don't, I'm not your mom.
Thank you!
Let he who is without post, cast the first stone.
At this point I'm very confused by this. Is Geebs gone? Has none of the public discussion the last few months been discussed by mods/admins? Is Ramius speaking as an actual admin now or are they just plopping a turd and fucking off?
I appreciate if you're trying to temper the heat here a bit Sterica, but I legitimately don't know how to take this, particularly since one of the defining requests for the forums is greater mod/admin transparency.
Just to kinda point something out
This is really fucking weird language to use. Like, borderline politician speech level of vague posting. Just super fucking weird to see from an admin.
Ramius has been an admin for decades, but the last I heard he was more a technical admin which is why he rarely makes any kind of public posts. He is not a Vanilla employee, so he cannot fix the existing forum woes, just to get ahead of that.
honestly it's disgusting. revealing, but disgusting
I think the point they were getting at is that there was already a round of feedback that Geebs requested to be sent to him and he gave the impression that he would review that feedback and come back with a more thoughtful response. That response hasn’t come yet, so I think people would wonder what another round of feedback will accomplish.
Why would it be weird in this particular moment in history to vaguely allude to unnamed, undefined bad actors and urge the masses to conform and snuff out others when they don’t? Seems normal. I don’t think it’s badly worded at all.
Anyway the main thing is our desire for change is both irrelevant because it’s just a games forum but also the same as wanting to burn the world down.
I kinda thought we had already done this a few times with the grievance threads, but those admittedly did get kind of sprawling.
Hey Ramius
What's up.
I just saw this, since I hate announcements and stuff. But hey dude.
Anyways, this thread just shows why we need an active poster as a mod. Somebody who vibes, who the other posters know, and who can wield a bit of soft power. And doesn't just lurk behind the scenes and cleans things up.
edit: not that Whippy isn't doing a great job with what she's doing. But more than one is good.
Just to emphasize what Marathon's saying
Geebs said they were going to read through the thread and provide a response. They didn't do that. Geebs said they were gonna get a new mod. They didn't do that. From what I can tell they basically don't have an inclination to read through or consider anything that's already been said, which doesn't really convince me that bringing them a bunch of DMs will do anything either, especially since other people have DM'ed Geebs before and gotten nothing.
This isn't a slight against you Sterica, I appreciate what you're tying to do, I just don't really see much point to it.
yeah shout outs to whippy. sorry to her that she's gotta deal with this forum basically solo but i appreciate that she's here
Hey, look. I appreciate you're trying. But I honestly think this is kinda above you to a certain extent cause Geebs themself said they'd try and do something about this.
"Please stop othering people" said with language that explicitly others people.
We’ve had multiple threads that sort of amount to “eat your vegetables or don’t eat at all.”
Well go ahead.
Crwth has to keep making threads though.
As long as it has a big ass
I think if something serious has happened, it's best to respect Geebs' right to privacy.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
My PMs are still open if you all need anything.