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[Ukraine] Thread, Dedicated to the memory of Juice and Moonfish.

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  • LabelLabel Registered User regular
    One of the few things Trump has been consistent on is absurd servility towards Putin, and doing whatever Putin wants of him.

    Any sort of conjecture that "Trump will do (something else), because it makes sense!" has always looked to me like untethered fantasy, at best.

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor.

    It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report.

    Remember that? Apparently nobody else does.

  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    These rules only have power when combined with the threat of 'if you don't follow the rules, we'll stop sending you more weapons'.

    If Trump does that anyways then there's no reason for Ukraine to follow the rules.

  • hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    General Drapatyi who was recently put in as the new commander of Ukraines ground forces, has made a post on Telegram outlining big changes.

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/new-commander-announces-large-scale-transformation-of-ground-forces-of-ukraine/

    New Commander Announces Large-Scale Transformation of Ground Forces of Ukraine
    The changes will affect recruitment and military training, management, logistics, and social support for the military.

    The Major General explained that the emphasis would be on the principles of military leadership and knowledge of technology.

    And the noncommissioned officer corps with combat experience should become the main carrier of knowledge in training the Ukrainian military.

    In the field of military training, thus, it is planned to reform training programs and centers, as well as to use the most modern simulators and other new technologies in training.


    In addition, the Ground Forces will introduce a transparent recruitment model with “zero tolerance for corruption.” They also promise changes in approaches to social support for servicemen.

    “They should feel constantly cared for: from the first day of service to employment in civilian life after discharge,” said the Ground Forces Commander.


    The changes will also affect the field of technology: Ukrainian infantrymen, Drapatyi is convinced, must have a technological advantage over the enemy on the battlefield. He also emphasized the importance of technological advantages in the armament of the Ukrainian infantryman.

    In addition, the Major General noted that it is planned to optimize management processes. “Agility and efficiency” are needed in the administrative apparatus, and organizational changes and digitalization will be the basis for this.

    The logistics and military training will be the first areas to experience management changes. After all, they are crucial for the combat capability of the Ukrainian army.

    Direct translation of his post
    https://t.me/Drapatyi_KSV/6
    Today, the Ground Forces need changes, new energy of soldiers and a modern approach to the development of their capabilities.

    First of all - in the attitude towards people. Human dignity and high-quality training of personnel are in the focus of my attention. It involves reformatting programs and transforming training centers for faster, but at the same time highly professional training, in accordance with the needs of the Armed Forces and the dynamics of the front. More development of new, high-quality simulators, the latest teaching methods.

    The skills and abilities of our foundation - the infantryman - should be as applied and practical as possible, without unnecessary lyrics, and the main carriers of this knowledge will be the sergeant corps with combat experience.

    The emphasis in these changes will be oriented on the principles of military leadership and knowledge of technologies. Without such skills, it is impossible to establish control over the chaos of battle, and now this is one of the main goals for changing the situation on the front.

    We must remember that the Land Forces must be ready for new security challenges, which is impossible without a transparent recruiting model. This process will be installed with maximum transparency and zero tolerance for corruption. The mutated gene of the old man will be eradicated; social support will become permanent: from the first day of service to employment in civilian life after discharge. I see this approach being implemented through changes in the support of servicemen and their family members.

    Secondly, this is a technological advantage in the armament of the infantryman. The Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must become high-tech, flexible and adaptive. Elite. For now, I will refrain from details. We will work here jointly and in coordination with the team of the General Staff, the President of Ukraine, the Ministry of Defense and other ministries, our rear - volunteers and foundations.

    Thirdly, this is the optimization of management processes - we need maneuverability and efficiency in the administrative apparatus. This will be achieved through organizational changes and digitalization. Emphasis on logistical support and training. The main goal is to critically review the structure of the officer staff's time spent on clerical work, to find a more useful use of the released resource.

    In summary. People, technology and transparent management are the focus of attention that will be introduced in the Land Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    I received support for this from the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces.

    Changes will certainly come.

    No matter how difficult it is for us, we have no right not to do it. This is how I see my task today.

    The Ukrainian people, every soldier, having joined the ranks of the Armed Forces, began to build the army of the future. We must complete our work with a double victory - over the enemy, and over everything that hindered the transformation of the army.

  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2024
    I imagine that as part of the reorg, one particular order coming down is stop sharing so much as what you had for breakfast this morning with any American military personnel you have been in contact with.

    Shadowen on
  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    I imagine that as part of the reorg, one particular order coming down is stop sharing so much as what you had for breakfast this morning with any American military personnel you have been in contact with.

    Yeah, I doubt we're going to hear much about plucky UA front line people calling the Washington state National Guard for help operating a Javelin in the foreseeable future.

    No matter where you go...there you are.
    ~ Buckaroo Banzai
  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    To give a little hint about why Russia might be especially urgent about Trump doing this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfO_j4ggoA

    And indeed another hint. Oofest of oofs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CnwI1aYSrw

    V1m on
  • RushThatSpeaksRushThatSpeaks Registered User regular
    Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor.

    It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report.

    Remember that? Apparently nobody else does.

    Where?

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor.

    It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report.

    Remember that? Apparently nobody else does.

    Where?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
    The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[10][11][12] and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".

    Presumably he wasn't concerned by Trump's connections with Russia, he just didn't want the US to be run by a guy who has his steak well-done with ketchup.

  • RushThatSpeaksRushThatSpeaks Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor.

    It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report.

    Remember that? Apparently nobody else does.

    Where?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
    The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[10][11][12] and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".

    Presumably he wasn't concerned by Trump's connections with Russia, he just didn't want the US to be run by a guy who has his steak well-done with ketchup.

    That's... feeble.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Facts don't care about your feelings

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor.

    It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report.

    Remember that? Apparently nobody else does.

    Where?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
    The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[10][11][12] and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".

    Presumably he wasn't concerned by Trump's connections with Russia, he just didn't want the US to be run by a guy who has his steak well-done with ketchup.

    That's... feeble.

    Not really going into it again, but he went to the exact extent of his authority, and the AG fucked him there as well.

  • RushThatSpeaksRushThatSpeaks Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Facts don't care about your feelings

    Watching the Trump-is-a-Manchurian-candidate thing for the last eight years was how I realized that my team also has its pet conspiracy theories that can't be dislodged. This has been investigated pretty much to death, and nothing substantial was ever found.

    Trump likes Putin because he likes dictators, especially those who seem savvy and cold-blooded. Putin likes Trump because, in addition to that first part, the U.S. electing Trump is the U.S. punching itself in the dick. He also likes Bernie Sanders and the Green Party and BLM and the Oathkeepers and anything else that raises tensions in American civil society. That's it. That's the entire story you need to understand the set of facts in the record. It's not as satisfying as pee tapes and treason, but it's in keeping with observable reality.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Scooter wrote: »
    These rules only have power when combined with the threat of 'if you don't follow the rules, we'll stop sending you more weapons'.

    If Trump does that anyways then there's no reason for Ukraine to follow the rules.

    Theres also the question of if the rest of europe (IE germany, sweden, france and britain) will give two shits if they decide to hammer russian targets with LRMS.

    Given the lay of the land I'm going to say "no".

  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Facts don't care about your feelings

    Watching the Trump-is-a-Manchurian-candidate thing for the last eight years was how I realized that my team also has its pet conspiracy theories that can't be dislodged. This has been investigated pretty much to death, and nothing substantial was ever found.

    Trump likes Putin because he likes dictators, especially those who seem savvy and cold-blooded. Putin likes Trump because, in addition to that first part, the U.S. electing Trump is the U.S. punching itself in the dick. He also likes Bernie Sanders and the Green Party and BLM and the Oathkeepers and anything else that raises tensions in American civil society. That's it. That's the entire story you need to understand the set of facts in the record. It's not as satisfying as pee tapes and treason, but it's in keeping with observable reality.

    You confuse intent for outcome.

    It doesn't matter why Trump is a Russian asset and a traitor. The results are the same.

    He is unequivocally a Russian asset. He and his people take Russian money and use it to further the Russian agenda. He negotiates in secret with Putin to gain power, undermine democracy, and use it for Putin's causes. He would give Ukraine wholesale to Russia if he could.

    And he is unequivocally a traitor. He will sell out the American people for a dollar to line his own pockets. He instigated and planned the June 6 attack on the Capitol. He gave up, intentionally or not, American agents and assets in the field.

    I don't care why Trump is a Russian asset and a traitor. But I know he is one.

  • RushThatSpeaksRushThatSpeaks Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    V1m wrote: »
    Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor.

    It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report.

    Remember that? Apparently nobody else does.

    Where?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report
    The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[10][11][12] and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".

    Presumably he wasn't concerned by Trump's connections with Russia, he just didn't want the US to be run by a guy who has his steak well-done with ketchup.

    That's... feeble.

    Not really going into it again, but he went to the exact extent of his authority, and the AG fucked him there as well.

    I wasn't saying the Mueller investigation was feeble, although I think that he was cowardly for not simply saying the Trump obstructed justice. That wikipedia section is just incredibly remote from "Trump is a compromised Russian asset and a traitor. It's all but spelled out in the Mueller report."

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    V1m wrote: »
    Facts don't care about your feelings

    Watching the Trump-is-a-Manchurian-candidate thing for the last eight years was how I realized that my team also has its pet conspiracy theories that can't be dislodged. This has been investigated pretty much to death, and nothing substantial was ever found.

    Trump likes Putin because he likes dictators, especially those who seem savvy and cold-blooded. Putin likes Trump because, in addition to that first part, the U.S. electing Trump is the U.S. punching itself in the dick. He also likes Bernie Sanders and the Green Party and BLM and the Oathkeepers and anything else that raises tensions in American civil society. That's it. That's the entire story you need to understand the set of facts in the record. It's not as satisfying as pee tapes and treason, but it's in keeping with observable reality.

    Trump was literally meeting with russian agents without any US personell in the oval office and was consistently doing damn near everything Putin wanted up to and including meeting with him in finland because Putin said he would after the whitehouse staff said he wouldn't.

    It's possible that trump's just an idiot, a simp, a coward (or some combination thereof) but the consistency with which he has moved in the interests of russia at the expense of america and it's allies lends credence to the liklihood that trump is compromised.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    It's possible that Trump doesn't understand himself to be a tool, but he functions as one regardless.

  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    I wonder what could possibly be leverage over Trump at this point, he's the president. Anything embarrassing or incriminating is 'fake news'. He seems untouchable.

    Someone needs to convince him that the real move that Putin would respect would be for Trump to screw him over for personal gain. Keep those sanctions until Russia collapses and make deals with the fragments Donald, it's what Putin would do in your place. That will really make him think you're cool and strong.

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  • SealSeal Registered User regular
    Maybe someone should whisper into Trumps ear about funding Ukraine until Russia collapses and then the US seizes the parts off the coast of Alaska

  • Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    edited December 2024
    Trump loves Putin because he desperately wants to be able to do the things Putin does. Use government funds as his own private piggy bank, have people he doesn't like thrown out of windows, have state media repeat and amplify whatever lies he thinks up with no pushback, have giant military parades thrown in his honour with tanks rolling down the street and fighter jets flying overhead, e.t.c. Not that Putin can actually do that last one anymore now that even the parade tanks have been thrown into the meat grinder, but still.

    Mr Ray on
  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    Golden Yak wrote: »
    I wonder what could possibly be leverage over Trump at this point, he's the president. Anything embarrassing or incriminating is 'fake news'. He seems untouchable.

    Someone needs to convince him that the real move that Putin would respect would be for Trump to screw him over for personal gain. Keep those sanctions until Russia collapses and make deals with the fragments Donald, it's what Putin would do in your place. That will really make him think you're cool and strong.

    You would have thought that in 2017 but he rolled out the red carpet and played a whipped dog back then too.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    It's what mystifies me about this whole thing; Like putin is obviously, transparently indisputably weak; he completely misjudged... basically everything about the war, his economy is looking at catastrophe, it will take probably a decade of dedicated spending to rebuild his military into something that could be described as an effective fighting force, hundreds of thousands of middleclass people have fled, his nation is no longer in a position to credibly balance India and china, Syria has imploded and they're begging for scraps from Kim jong.

    Like... If I'm trump (a self aggrandizing trecherous cowardly shit) then I'd be looking to extort the shit out of Russia to get them into a position of subservience to me.

  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    Putin's still the richest person in Russia and can point to literally anybody in the country he wants and say 'kill that man' and the dude is flying out a window the next day. He may be ruling over an ash heap but he's a god-king while he does it.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    And remember that Trump wouldn't mind a bit being God-King of an ash-heap. Putin's lifestyle isn't a whit less opulent, his power any more questioned for being so.

    In fact so much the better, because it emphasises the difference between Him and, well, us.

  • fedaykin666fedaykin666 Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    Quid pro quo electoral interference for foreign policy adjustment/treason.

    Romania's constitutional court cancelled their 1st round election results after all mainstream political parties met and made public inteligence on a massive foreign interference campaign, involving 10s of thousands of coordinated tiktok accounts and bribing far right influencers to spread favourable messages to an outsider pro Russia candidate who is repeatedly on record wanting to stop all aid to Ukraine.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20ndg1eeeno

    We have proof publicly of what went down in Romania and the scale of the money and effort to push the scales. The US is infinitely more important strategically.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

    Is likely not scratching the surface and this stuff is already pretty damning:

    "Two employees of the Russian state-owned propaganda network RT (Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afansayeva) were indicted for conspiracy and violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act for operating a money laundering operation that had sent at least $9.7 million[12] to support the creation and distribution of propaganda videos on American social media."

    fedaykin666 on
  • hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    2 Russian oil tankers have snapped in half in the Kerch strait due to weather

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/12/15/7489168/
    Reports emerged on the morning of 15 December indicating that two Russian tankers, Volgoneft 212 and Volgoneft 239, were sinking in the Kerch Strait. Both vessels were reported to be broken in half, with fuel oil leaking into the water.

    Some telegram vids there. Apparently could be 8000 tonnes leaked.

    Weird that both happened at the same time.

  • RazielMortemRazielMortem Registered User regular
    Is this a case of Ukraine going 'nice oil sales you have there Russia...would be a real shame if something happened to the. Real shame.'?

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    Ukraine have been most helpful in assisting the west to actually enforce sanctions, so it's possible.

    Meanwhile Suchominus reports footage of North Koreans (the ones who survived the little welcome show that Ukraine gave them) attacking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_9yuDOHf4I

    V1m on
  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    hiraeth wrote: »
    Weird that both happened at the same time.

    Not that weird. Kerch strait just had a serious storm with very heavy waves. One of the tankers was ran ground and had its bow broken off while what exactly has happened to the other isn't 100% clear.

    "The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
    -Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    hiraeth wrote: »
    2 Russian oil tankers have snapped in half in the Kerch strait due to weather

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/12/15/7489168/
    Reports emerged on the morning of 15 December indicating that two Russian tankers, Volgoneft 212 and Volgoneft 239, were sinking in the Kerch Strait. Both vessels were reported to be broken in half, with fuel oil leaking into the water.

    Some telegram vids there. Apparently could be 8000 tonnes leaked.

    Weird that both happened at the same time.

    I suspect that between said weather, the potential for drones to immolate literal tonnes of oil and the issue of having two massive tanker wrecks in the strait there's a good chance russia isn't sending anything down that way for the foreseeable future.

  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular
    hiraeth wrote: »
    Weird that both happened at the same time.

    Not that weird. Kerch strait just had a serious storm with very heavy waves. One of the tankers was ran ground and had its bow broken off while what exactly has happened to the other isn't 100% clear.

    I was going to say, it's probably MORE likely this happens in the same storm than in different ones.

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Hydropolo wrote: »
    hiraeth wrote: »
    Weird that both happened at the same time.

    Not that weird. Kerch strait just had a serious storm with very heavy waves. One of the tankers was ran ground and had its bow broken off while what exactly has happened to the other isn't 100% clear.

    I was going to say, it's probably MORE likely this happens in the same storm than in different ones.

    The route is also the home turf for some truly decrepit ships. One of the ships that sunk was a 55-year-old oil hauler that had previously been on a longer route, but then shortened (to relieve structural stress) and had its bow re-welded on and used as a hauler between Rostov-on-Don and black sea ports (in what's normally quite calm waters).

    "The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
    -Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
  • hiraethhiraeth SpaceRegistered User regular
    Well in news of Ukraine actually targeting fuel supplies, the SSU led an operation to sabotage the train line running through southern Zaporizhzhia, which de-railed a train and then was followed up by it being struck by HIMARS and drones from other forces until the entire thing was destroyed.

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-troops-destroyed-a-russian-fuel-train-in-the-zaporizhzhia-region/

    Ukrainian troops destroyed a Russian fuel train in the Zaporizhzhia region
    The Ukrainian Defense Forces have destroyed a Russian train with 40 tanks of fuel on the territory of the temporarily occupied Zaporizhzhia region. The defenders managed to destroy 40 tanks of Russian fuel worth $4 million.

    RBC-Ukraine reported on this, citing its own sources.

    According to the sources, on December 14, the SSU, in cooperation with the Tavria operational-strategic group, the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine, the SOF, and the Unmanned Systems Forces, conducted an operation to cut off the logistics routes of fuel supplies from Crimea to the temporarily occupied territories of the Zaporizhzhia region.

    ...

    This led to the train stopping, which allowed the fighters of the 14th Regiment of the Unmanned Systems Forces to strike with drones, which led to the fire of some of the tanks.

    After that, the air reconnaissance units of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine adjusted the missile strike from the HIMARS MLRS of the Tavria operational-strategic group.

    The missiles hit the locomotive and the outermost cars, making it impossible to stretch the affected train to save the surviving tanks and reduce the fire. In the final stage, the DIU soldiers finished off the surviving tanks with the help of attack drones.

    The media reported the special operation destroyed a locomotive and 40 tank cars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwNjOb8EUvk


    Also we have some more info about the recently revealed new drone-missile

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrainian-peklo-drone-missiles-will-be-cheaper-than-liutyi-drones/
    Ukrainian designers have lifted the veil of secrecy about the latest Peklo jet drones, revealing the production volumes and characteristics of their development. According to the developers, the production of the new missile drone costs less than the Ukrainian Liutyi kamikaze drone. The price of the latter reached $200 thousand at the beginning of the year.

    The Peklo drone-missile, which is actually a small cruise missile, is several times faster than conventional attack drones thanks to its jet propulsion, reaching speeds of up to 700 km/h and covering a distance of 700 kilometers.

    Officials did not disclose the weight of the new missile’s warhead, but the article notes that it weighs significantly less than the 100-kilogram warhead of a similar Palianytsia missile drone. The designers compare it to those used in conventional long-range drones, which carry 30 to 50 kg.

    Navigation and targeting of the missile are based on a classical scheme, which is based on an autonomous inertial system with correction by GPS satellite signal. The designers are also working on more sophisticated guidance methods that will be integrated in future versions.

    The method implemented for the Peklo has not been announced, but conventional cruise missiles use an air launch from an aircraft or a solid rocket booster when launched from special ground launchers to gain initial speed.

    After development and codification were completed, the missile immediately went into mass production. Over the past three months, the developer has produced about 100 missiles and is now increasing its production capacity. There are plenty of people willing to buy it: the same units that operate long-range drones sign contracts with the company.

    According to the developer, the missile consists of 70% Ukrainian components manufactured by state and private companies. There are plenty of bottlenecks in mass production, so they are trying to mitigate them by interchangeability of elements. For example, the missile will be able to run on different engines, depending on their availability on the market.

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    I'll have to see if I can figure out how long a train would be with 40 tank cars, but a quick google search says 2.3K-2.4K feet. Also given this is fuel, once can figure there might be another 50-100 feet of track that also was damaged enough to replace. So have to wonder how many days it's going to take Russia to reestablish that route. I know it unfortunately, doesn't take Russia that long to repair train tracks.

    Also it's not like Ukraine is in a position where they can strike the repair team. I mean, they could, but Russia has plenty of higher priority targets that they can use their finite resources on and destroying fuel, equipment, supplies and military personnel are of higher value than a team of mooks fixing rail tracks. The former is a permanent solution, while the later is merely delaying things getting to a certain point on the map.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    I know it unfortunately, doesn't take Russia that long to repair train tracks...

    That was true in 2022, but I hear that their track repair capability has suffered some attrition this last couple of years. They still have a competent and fairly effective operation, but it's apparently rather overstretched.

  • GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    I'll have to see if I can figure out how long a train would be with 40 tank cars, but a quick google search says 2.3K-2.4K feet. Also given this is fuel, once can figure there might be another 50-100 feet of track that also was damaged enough to replace. So have to wonder how many days it's going to take Russia to reestablish that route. I know it unfortunately, doesn't take Russia that long to repair train tracks.

    Also it's not like Ukraine is in a position where they can strike the repair team. I mean, they could, but Russia has plenty of higher priority targets that they can use their finite resources on and destroying fuel, equipment, supplies and military personnel are of higher value than a team of mooks fixing rail tracks. The former is a permanent solution, while the later is merely delaying things getting to a certain point on the map.

    Yeah the wrecking of the train and the fuel were the best results here.

    Any railway that was wrecked is just a small and temporary bonus.

    How is Russian train production going?

    I mean can they replace those cars and engine quickly?

    Or will that take a while?

  • SkiddlesSkiddles The frozen white northRegistered User regular
    I'll have to see if I can figure out how long a train would be with 40 tank cars, but a quick google search says 2.3K-2.4K feet. Also given this is fuel, once can figure there might be another 50-100 feet of track that also was damaged enough to replace. So have to wonder how many days it's going to take Russia to reestablish that route. I know it unfortunately, doesn't take Russia that long to repair train tracks.

    Also it's not like Ukraine is in a position where they can strike the repair team. I mean, they could, but Russia has plenty of higher priority targets that they can use their finite resources on and destroying fuel, equipment, supplies and military personnel are of higher value than a team of mooks fixing rail tracks. The former is a permanent solution, while the later is merely delaying things getting to a certain point on the map.

    Yeah the wrecking of the train and the fuel were the best results here.

    Any railway that was wrecked is just a small and temporary bonus.

    How is Russian train production going?

    I mean can they replace those cars and engine quickly?

    Or will that take a while?

    It would not surprise me in the least if there was a stockpile of soviet-era trains and cars somewhere and we start seeing coal powered engines seeing use going forward.

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    edited December 2024
    hiraeth wrote: »
    Ukrainian designers have lifted the veil of secrecy about the latest Peklo jet drones, revealing the production volumes and characteristics of their development. According to the developers, the production of the new missile drone costs less than the Ukrainian Liutyi kamikaze drone. The price of the latter reached $200 thousand at the beginning of the year.

    The Peklo drone-missile, which is actually a small cruise missile, is several times faster than conventional attack drones thanks to its jet propulsion, reaching speeds of up to 700 km/h and covering a distance of 700 kilometers.

    Officials did not disclose the weight of the new missile’s warhead, but the article notes that it weighs significantly less than the 100-kilogram warhead of a similar Palianytsia missile drone. The designers compare it to those used in conventional long-range drones, which carry 30 to 50 kg.

    Navigation and targeting of the missile are based on a classical scheme, which is based on an autonomous inertial system with correction by GPS satellite signal. The designers are also working on more sophisticated guidance methods that will be integrated in future versions.

    When they claim that they're able to make a drone/missile that's capable of carrying a 30-50kg warhead, travel at 700kmh for over 1 hour, also features some level of INS navigation and all of this for less than 200k USD...
    ...some level of my brain is going "Man. There is no way they can make something like that that cheap. They're fucking with me. This is just a cover for their broom-riding Ukrainian night witches dropping 30kg bomb backpacks."

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  • GrudgeGrudge blessed is the mind too small for doubtRegistered User regular
    The Russian railway system is massive and lots of resources are being used to keep it going, but it is also (like everything else) victim to corruption and neglect. Their locomotive are ageing, and the maintenance debt is huge - they would need to produce hundreds of new locomotives every year just to replace the ones that have already passed their end of life dates, and as these increasingly are breaking down, more and more resources need to be transferred to repairing them, leaving no room for the maintenance of the ones still running. It's a downward spiral. So every loss of a working locomotive cause further stress on the system.

    Then there are the engine drivers, they would need hundreds of new drivers, because the pay is shit and many have left to sign military contracts or work in the military industry, making life shit for the ones still there, burning them out and increasing the risk of accidents. Also a downward spiral, and every loss of an experienced engine driver etc. etc.

    So like most things in Russia, things are shit and slowly heading towards a collapse with no improvement in sight. Will the Russian railway system collapse in 2025? Probably not. 2026? 2027? Maybe? Things are definitely going to get worse though. It is not the rocks solid juggernaut it was in Soviet times.

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