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Thuggin': Dr. Dre, Wu-Tang Clan, Tupac Shakur, 50 Cent (you all shut your mouth he's awesome), Busta Rhymes, Bone-Thugs-N-Harmony
Not so Thuggin': People Under the Stairs, The Roots, Wyclef Jean, The Beastie Boys, Common, Mos Def
The thuggin' and not-so-thuggin' difference is important to make, because most people like one, the other, or neither, never both. I like both, even though I lean a bit more towards not-so-thuggin'. And this is all rap, not hip-hop, which, contrary to popular belief, are very much different things.
Anything put out by Wu-Tang Clan or featuring Clan members is gold, with the exception of some occasional shit (like everything U-God's ever done). In particular, these:
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (their debut and still superior to everything they've put out since)
GZA - Liquid Swords
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Lynx
Ol' Dirty Bastard - Return to the 36 Chambers
Method Man - Tical
Ghostface - Fishscale
I won't lie and claim I listen to a lot of rap music, but the one rap cd that I absolutely love (FirstComradeStalin might argue it's not rap, I dunno), is N.W.A. - Straight Outta Compton. I'm probably gonna look into most of the other people's recommendations also though, as I'm trying to expand my music tastes.
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Method Man - 4:21: The Day After fucking mind blowing cd. First cd in a long time that actually felt like it was living up to the hype of Wu-Tang (by method man anyways).
T.I - King is Southern rap at its finest in my opinion.
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
To be honest, basically anything out of the Wu camp is good stuff minus a few misses here and there.
There is a lot out there, but the greats have already been listed and I'm not in a great thinking mood right now.
K'naan - Dusty Foot Philosopher. Greatest and probably one of the only rap concept albums ever written. This man was born in Mogadishu, Somalia. Got out when he was 14 years old on the last commercial flight, lived in Harlem and finally moved to southern Ontario before making the album this guy has had one of the craziest lives ever and it all comes out in his music.
Also Jay-Z and DJ Dangermouse - The Grey Album is excellent.
Try the Herbiliser and other rap groups from the Ninja Tune label.
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Sage Francis-A Healthy Distrust
Jedi Mindtricks-anything really, Servants in Heaven Kings in Hell is their best in my opinion
Your first suggestion is shit, pure shit (as a suggestion, not an artist-I quite like him). Sage Francis is about as far from Rap as Hank III is. The second, however, is a good suggestion.
Nas - Illmatic
Nas - Stillmatic
Notorious BIG - Ready to Die
Wu Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent by Design
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Volume 2
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
GZA - Liquid Swords
Mobb Deep - Infamous
Onyx - Bacdafucup
Royce Da 5'9 - Death is Certain
Eminem - Slim Shady LP (Say what you will about Eminem's current shit, this album is awesome and always will be)
Seriously, if you get any Jedi Mind Tricks, get Violent by Design.
Ok I have a huge library of Hip-Hop/Rap music whatever you like to call it... these are some of my personal favourites that haven't been mentioned yet.
Dr. Dre started this shit, and quite frankly he'll end it. He was there since the beginning, he was there when snoop doggy dog was just on the cusp of stardom, he was there when big and pac died. Fuck, he was even there when MC hammer was signed on to death row. He found Eminem and revolutionized rap just like he did with the G-funk era. His production status and work ethic are legendary, and again everyone he produces for hits Platinum. He has done what Jay Z has done in 2 Albums compared to Jay Z's 11 Albums.
May I present to you:
The Chronic
(The Chronic) 2001
Detox (2007?)
References to Detox ~
* Bishop Lamont:
o Aftermath-signed artist Bishop Lamont tells people to "Look out for Detox" in "Up & Down" from his upcoming album, The Reformation.[17]
* Busta Rhymes:
o On Busta Rhymes' (another Aftermath label-mate) latest single, "I'm Just Getting Warm", he raps "Hit you with a banger like a beat from the Detox".
* Crooked I:
o Los Angeles rapper Crooked I is apparently doing ghostwriting for Dr. Dre on Detox. A song has been leaked titled "Say Dr. Dre" that has Crooked I rapping in first person from the point of view of Dr. Dre (as if he were Dr. Dre).
* Eminem:
o At the end of "Encore", the last track on Eminem's album Encore, Eminem tells listeners "Don't worry about that Detox album. It's coming. We gonna make Dre do it".
* Hood Surgeon:
o On Hood Surgeon's (Dr. Dre's son) song "Paradise" from his mixtape The Autopsy, he raps "Can't even call this the Detox, 'cause my hits rock".
* Snoop Dogg:
o Snoop Dogg makes reference to the upcoming album with the line "if my nigga's detoxin' there's more for me" on the track "Boss' Life" on his 2006 album, Tha Blue Carpet Treatment.
* Stat Quo:
o On the track "We're Back" from Eminem's 2006 album Eminem Presents the Re-Up, Shady Records artist Stat Quo raps "Record songs for the Detox LP, feet don't fail heat, niggas got me".
* The Game:
o In his freestyle "Young California", from You Know What It Is Vol. 2, The Game raps "The 4th quarter belongs to me, scratch Detox, Dre sold his songs to me".
o On the track "Higher", from The Game's debut album The Documentary, Dr. Dre tells people to "look out for Detox" in his one line in the song.
o On the track "Get Your Money Right" from the mixtape Dretox, The Game says, "I'm classic like Detox or Blueprint 2".
o Furthermore, on his second album, Doctor's Advocate, track thirteen, "California Vacation", The Game refers to his album as "a sneak peek at the motherfucking Detox".
o He also makes reference to the album on the track "Compton" from Doctor's Advocate, in which he raps, "I'm the reason Dre feels comfortable retiring. I just might put out Detox myself. Smoke so much, I check in detox myself".
o On the track "120 Bars" from Stop Snitchin, Stop Lyin The Game says "You a steroid addict, you need detox, hopefully you make it out in time to be on Detox".
o On "Feels Good" (produced by Dr. Dre, recorded for Doctor's Advocate), The Game raps "Tell the Doc I'm sick. Before Detox, let me take my last chronic hit".
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Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Forget just rap, this should be in everyone's library regardless. It's an important social document and ridiculously influential.
For modern stuff, my friends tell me GangStarr is good.
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Public Enemy - It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back
Forget just rap, this should be in everyone's library regardless. It's an important social document and ridiculously influential.
For modern stuff, my friends tell me GangStarr is good.
Chuck D is a mastermind.
It hasn't been mentioned here so I'll throw it in to the hat: Dipset. Mainly Cam'ron. His 3rd, 4th, and 5th albums are great. Diplomatic Immunity 1 and 2 are really good, and there are a lot of mixtapes you can get for $5-10 off their website that are really good. Diplomats volume 3 is one of the best I've ever heard. I don't put too much stock in Jim Jones or Juelz Santana but they have some good stuff here and there.
Dr. Dre started this shit, and quite frankly he'll end it. He was there since the beginning, he was there when snoop doggy dog was just on the cusp of stardom, he was there when big and pac died. Fuck, he was even there when MC hammer was signed on to death row. He found Eminem and revolutionized rap just like he did with the G-funk era. His production status and work ethic are legendary, and again everyone he produces for hits Platinum. He has done what Jay Z has done in 2 Albums compared to Jay Z's 11 Albums.
Meh, Dr. Dre isn't really that great of rapper. I respect his business and beats though....
For sickest flow you really have to check out Method Man.
Dr. Dre started this shit, and quite frankly he'll end it. He was there since the beginning, he was there when snoop doggy dog was just on the cusp of stardom, he was there when big and pac died. Fuck, he was even there when MC hammer was signed on to death row. He found Eminem and revolutionized rap just like he did with the G-funk era. His production status and work ethic are legendary, and again everyone he produces for hits Platinum. He has done what Jay Z has done in 2 Albums compared to Jay Z's 11 Albums.
Meh, Dr. Dre isn't really that great of rapper. I respect his business and beats though....
For sickest flow you really have to check out MF Doom.
Dr. Dre started this shit, and quite frankly he'll end it. He was there since the beginning, he was there when snoop doggy dog was just on the cusp of stardom, he was there when big and pac died. Fuck, he was even there when MC hammer was signed on to death row. He found Eminem and revolutionized rap just like he did with the G-funk era. His production status and work ethic are legendary, and again everyone he produces for hits Platinum. He has done what Jay Z has done in 2 Albums compared to Jay Z's 11 Albums.
i dont think he was anything without supporting vocals (just like in NWA). on the solos it was Snoop. He created the sound but Snoop made it popular. shrug. Overrated imo. He did make it top 40 though you cant deny his influence. but making something top 40 doesnt make it good.
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I know he's not the most "serious" in the world of rap but if you're looking for some fun stuff you'd be surprised at how good most of Biz Markie's stuff is. I picked up one his albums cheap recently planning on making a ringtone out of Just a Friend but have now found myself addicted to it and went out and bought a few of his others.
* Bishop Lamont:
o Aftermath-signed artist Bishop Lamont tells people to "Look out for Detox" in "Up & Down" from his upcoming album, The Reformation.[17]
* Busta Rhymes:
o On Busta Rhymes' (another Aftermath label-mate) latest single, "I'm Just Getting Warm", he raps "Hit you with a banger like a beat from the Detox".
* Crooked I:
o Los Angeles rapper Crooked I is apparently doing ghostwriting for Dr. Dre on Detox. A song has been leaked titled "Say Dr. Dre" that has Crooked I rapping in first person from the point of view of Dr. Dre (as if he were Dr. Dre).
* Eminem:
o At the end of "Encore", the last track on Eminem's album Encore, Eminem tells listeners "Don't worry about that Detox album. It's coming. We gonna make Dre do it".
* Hood Surgeon:
o On Hood Surgeon's (Dr. Dre's son) song "Paradise" from his mixtape The Autopsy, he raps "Can't even call this the Detox, 'cause my hits rock".
* Snoop Dogg:
o Snoop Dogg makes reference to the upcoming album with the line "if my nigga's detoxin' there's more for me" on the track "Boss' Life" on his 2006 album, Tha Blue Carpet Treatment.
* Stat Quo:
o On the track "We're Back" from Eminem's 2006 album Eminem Presents the Re-Up, Shady Records artist Stat Quo raps "Record songs for the Detox LP, feet don't fail heat, niggas got me".
* The Game:
o In his freestyle "Young California", from You Know What It Is Vol. 2, The Game raps "The 4th quarter belongs to me, scratch Detox, Dre sold his songs to me".
o On the track "Higher", from The Game's debut album The Documentary, Dr. Dre tells people to "look out for Detox" in his one line in the song.
o On the track "Get Your Money Right" from the mixtape Dretox, The Game says, "I'm classic like Detox or Blueprint 2".
o Furthermore, on his second album, Doctor's Advocate, track thirteen, "California Vacation", The Game refers to his album as "a sneak peek at the motherfucking Detox".
o He also makes reference to the album on the track "Compton" from Doctor's Advocate, in which he raps, "I'm the reason Dre feels comfortable retiring. I just might put out Detox myself. Smoke so much, I check in detox myself".
o On the track "120 Bars" from Stop Snitchin, Stop Lyin The Game says "You a steroid addict, you need detox, hopefully you make it out in time to be on Detox".
o On "Feels Good" (produced by Dr. Dre, recorded for Doctor's Advocate), The Game raps "Tell the Doc I'm sick. Before Detox, let me take my last chronic hit".
Chron has never been a thing to let me down! I'm gonna pick this up as soon as I get to the mall. I have a hefty shopping list thanks to you guys.
I'll agree with the Immortal Technique and Aesop Rock recommendations. I'll also throw Tech N9ne into the ring as he has some good stuff and a few of his tracks flow like none other (The Industry is Punks, Einstein)
For sickest flow you really have to check out MF Doom.
Oh hell yes. MF Doom is really good, but not for everybody.
Correction: MF Doom does not have the sickest flow, but he usually has some of the most interesting flow. I find that most of his stuff that he does himself, or is released under the MF DOOM moniker or Victor Vaughn or whatever has pretty lame beats, and the lyrics, while interesting, tend to be more thematic than awe inspiring. What he does on "Kookies" is pretty impressive but the song itself is kind of a joke, and the beats really are blah. He also tends to be pretty mushmouth, even in the more intelligible cuts, and a lot of people don't like mushmouth rap.
Madvillain, where he teams up with Madlib, is ace. Some of the songs are meh, but the ace ones are really, really ace.
I'm surprised that no one's brought up older Aesop Rock, back when Blockhead was doing most of his beats. Newer Aesop is too "videogame" for me, but stuff off the now-only-bootlegged Music for Earthworms is fantastic, as is a lot of Float. Labor Days was the beginning of the end of my interest in the guy, though, as the newer stuff seems to be more miss than hit.
Deltron 3030 has some really great production as well, which is unsurprising given that it's Dan the Automator and Kid Koala. Likewise with the first Handsome Boy Modeling School album, which is Dan the Automator and Prince Paul. Dont' buy "White People."
To me a good hip hop album has to have really solid beats and production, to the point where an instrumental version would still be good, and the rapper has to have both solid flow and a voice that's a good match for the music. A lot of the stuff like Cannibal Ox is just way too nasally for me. Which is also why I don't like a lot of the 90s rap, there's too much disconnect between the rapper's voice and the beats and I can't even make it through a track.
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Not so Thuggin': People Under the Stairs, The Roots, Wyclef Jean, The Beastie Boys, Common, Mos Def
The thuggin' and not-so-thuggin' difference is important to make, because most people like one, the other, or neither, never both. I like both, even though I lean a bit more towards not-so-thuggin'. And this is all rap, not hip-hop, which, contrary to popular belief, are very much different things.
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (their debut and still superior to everything they've put out since)
GZA - Liquid Swords
Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Lynx
Ol' Dirty Bastard - Return to the 36 Chambers
Method Man - Tical
Ghostface - Fishscale
T.I - King is Southern rap at its finest in my opinion.
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
To be honest, basically anything out of the Wu camp is good stuff minus a few misses here and there.
There is a lot out there, but the greats have already been listed and I'm not in a great thinking mood right now.
Checkmate
Also Jay-Z and DJ Dangermouse - The Grey Album is excellent.
Try the Herbiliser and other rap groups from the Ninja Tune label.
That album really brings to question the Rap vs Hip Hop debate and which camp Nas actually is in.
and obie trice.
I host a podcast about movies.
Jedi Mindtricks-anything really, Servants in Heaven Kings in Hell is their best in my opinion
Fuck yes.
This album deserves more love than it gets.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Dj Khaled - We the Best
Royce Da 5'9"
Ti
Young Jeezy
Rick Ross
there's plenty.
They just released a new album as of eighteen minutes ago, too
Your first suggestion is shit, pure shit (as a suggestion, not an artist-I quite like him). Sage Francis is about as far from Rap as Hank III is. The second, however, is a good suggestion.
edit; Blue Scholars aren't rap either.
Also it doesn't strictly need to be rap you can throw your hip hop and stuff here too.
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More importantly Nas' beats suck huge dick. He is an amazing MC but god do his beats suck.
I recommend:
Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth
Aesop Rock - Labor Days
Bubba Sparxxx - Deliverance
All very solid, interesting albums, not your average run of the mill rap.
Nas - Illmatic
Nas - Stillmatic
Notorious BIG - Ready to Die
Wu Tang - Enter the 36 Chambers
Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent by Design
Immortal Technique - Revolutionary Volume 2
Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
GZA - Liquid Swords
Mobb Deep - Infamous
Onyx - Bacdafucup
Royce Da 5'9 - Death is Certain
Eminem - Slim Shady LP (Say what you will about Eminem's current shit, this album is awesome and always will be)
Seriously, if you get any Jedi Mind Tricks, get Violent by Design.
A thousand times
DangerDoom (MF Doom + Danger Mouse) made a free download EP here
Dilated Peoples are wicked too.
You cannot go wrong with Jurassic 5 (I would say Quality Control is their best work)
I love Dr. Octagon, Blackalicious, Fort Minor, Dizzee Rascal, Optimus Rhyme, Public Enemy, Roni Size and A Tribe Called Quest too.
Eric B. & Rakim are legendary.
Check out Jamie T for some great britpop/reggae/rap. The Streets too if you into that kind of thing.
I have suggested alot....Mayeb search each artist in youtube and see what comes up ;-)
No one will ever be as good as Eric B and Rakim.
Snoop's first will always be a classic and a fun party album. And the 187 single.
Kayne is great and so is Mos Def.
Tribe as well.
2Pac.
Those are my personal best.
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Whats the deal with that artwork? it's all orangey and in the day time on mine?
May I present to you:
The Chronic
(The Chronic) 2001
References to Detox ~
* Bishop Lamont:
o Aftermath-signed artist Bishop Lamont tells people to "Look out for Detox" in "Up & Down" from his upcoming album, The Reformation.[17]
* Busta Rhymes:
o On Busta Rhymes' (another Aftermath label-mate) latest single, "I'm Just Getting Warm", he raps "Hit you with a banger like a beat from the Detox".
* Crooked I:
o Los Angeles rapper Crooked I is apparently doing ghostwriting for Dr. Dre on Detox. A song has been leaked titled "Say Dr. Dre" that has Crooked I rapping in first person from the point of view of Dr. Dre (as if he were Dr. Dre).
* Eminem:
o At the end of "Encore", the last track on Eminem's album Encore, Eminem tells listeners "Don't worry about that Detox album. It's coming. We gonna make Dre do it".
* Hood Surgeon:
o On Hood Surgeon's (Dr. Dre's son) song "Paradise" from his mixtape The Autopsy, he raps "Can't even call this the Detox, 'cause my hits rock".
* Snoop Dogg:
o Snoop Dogg makes reference to the upcoming album with the line "if my nigga's detoxin' there's more for me" on the track "Boss' Life" on his 2006 album, Tha Blue Carpet Treatment.
* Stat Quo:
o On the track "We're Back" from Eminem's 2006 album Eminem Presents the Re-Up, Shady Records artist Stat Quo raps "Record songs for the Detox LP, feet don't fail heat, niggas got me".
* The Game:
o In his freestyle "Young California", from You Know What It Is Vol. 2, The Game raps "The 4th quarter belongs to me, scratch Detox, Dre sold his songs to me".
o On the track "Higher", from The Game's debut album The Documentary, Dr. Dre tells people to "look out for Detox" in his one line in the song.
o On the track "Get Your Money Right" from the mixtape Dretox, The Game says, "I'm classic like Detox or Blueprint 2".
o Furthermore, on his second album, Doctor's Advocate, track thirteen, "California Vacation", The Game refers to his album as "a sneak peek at the motherfucking Detox".
o He also makes reference to the album on the track "Compton" from Doctor's Advocate, in which he raps, "I'm the reason Dre feels comfortable retiring. I just might put out Detox myself. Smoke so much, I check in detox myself".
o On the track "120 Bars" from Stop Snitchin, Stop Lyin The Game says "You a steroid addict, you need detox, hopefully you make it out in time to be on Detox".
o On "Feels Good" (produced by Dr. Dre, recorded for Doctor's Advocate), The Game raps "Tell the Doc I'm sick. Before Detox, let me take my last chronic hit".
Forget just rap, this should be in everyone's library regardless. It's an important social document and ridiculously influential.
For modern stuff, my friends tell me GangStarr is good.
Chuck D is a mastermind.
It hasn't been mentioned here so I'll throw it in to the hat: Dipset. Mainly Cam'ron. His 3rd, 4th, and 5th albums are great. Diplomatic Immunity 1 and 2 are really good, and there are a lot of mixtapes you can get for $5-10 off their website that are really good. Diplomats volume 3 is one of the best I've ever heard. I don't put too much stock in Jim Jones or Juelz Santana but they have some good stuff here and there.
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Meh, Dr. Dre isn't really that great of rapper. I respect his business and beats though....
For sickest flow you really have to check out Method Man.
You're a fucking idiot. DJ Premier is the shit.
Also, Mobb Deep's The Infamous and Dr. Dre's The Chronic are a must have. Clipse's Hell Hath No Fury is great too.
i dont think he was anything without supporting vocals (just like in NWA). on the solos it was Snoop. He created the sound but Snoop made it popular. shrug. Overrated imo. He did make it top 40 though you cant deny his influence. but making something top 40 doesnt make it good.
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Chron has never been a thing to let me down! I'm gonna pick this up as soon as I get to the mall. I have a hefty shopping list thanks to you guys.
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Oh hell yes. MF Doom is really good, but not for everybody.
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Correction: MF Doom does not have the sickest flow, but he usually has some of the most interesting flow. I find that most of his stuff that he does himself, or is released under the MF DOOM moniker or Victor Vaughn or whatever has pretty lame beats, and the lyrics, while interesting, tend to be more thematic than awe inspiring. What he does on "Kookies" is pretty impressive but the song itself is kind of a joke, and the beats really are blah. He also tends to be pretty mushmouth, even in the more intelligible cuts, and a lot of people don't like mushmouth rap.
Madvillain, where he teams up with Madlib, is ace. Some of the songs are meh, but the ace ones are really, really ace.
I'm surprised that no one's brought up older Aesop Rock, back when Blockhead was doing most of his beats. Newer Aesop is too "videogame" for me, but stuff off the now-only-bootlegged Music for Earthworms is fantastic, as is a lot of Float. Labor Days was the beginning of the end of my interest in the guy, though, as the newer stuff seems to be more miss than hit.
Deltron 3030 has some really great production as well, which is unsurprising given that it's Dan the Automator and Kid Koala. Likewise with the first Handsome Boy Modeling School album, which is Dan the Automator and Prince Paul. Dont' buy "White People."
To me a good hip hop album has to have really solid beats and production, to the point where an instrumental version would still be good, and the rapper has to have both solid flow and a voice that's a good match for the music. A lot of the stuff like Cannibal Ox is just way too nasally for me. Which is also why I don't like a lot of the 90s rap, there's too much disconnect between the rapper's voice and the beats and I can't even make it through a track.