The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent
vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums
here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules
document is now in effect.
The Holiday Forums are now up. Let me (Hahnsoo1) know if there are any issues. The Holiday Forum merge will last (if Vanilla cooperates) until January 3rd.
UPDATE ON TIMELINE: The Future of the Penny Arcade Forums
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Would any mods be interested in me trying to set up a meeting so you can pick their brains re: the software they're using, pitfalls to avoid, dealing with legal jazz and keeping the lights on etc. etc.?
I barely know the admin on one site and not at all on the other, so I don't want to give the impression that I have an "in" but I've been posting on both places for longer than even Penny-Arcade, so I might still be able to swing it.
PSN: jrrl_absent
Will this fly with GDPR?
The fact that it would probably be worth a consultation with a lawyer to be sure is plenty of reason, imo, to not bother migrating anything. But I’ve already made my case for why I think a clean slate is a better starting point than carrying over old posts.
Yeah, that was my point earlier. The new timeline puts into question whether a full migration is warranted or feasible, and might simplify the decision of whether to even bother doing it versus clean slate signups.
Meh, PA has the following disclosure:
Meaning that we can keep using the data for its original intent. (PA's agreement says Personal Identifying information might be used to authenticate, and that's the only PII we really have, forum posts are public and don't fall under this limitation)
Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I do think perserving as much of the original forum is at least worth a try, and it does not look insurmountable.
Things had gotten much too comfortable and bike sheddy, now we have something new to run around and freak out about.
We've already got a framework of the post-PA forum legal / regulatory / financial platform we're working with, what needs to be done to migrate over, and candidates for migration that are largely a few day turnkey to at least get going. As well as a lot of people stepping up to do work they've mostly already done before and are confident can be done again here.
It's going to be navigating the um cultural differences and future-state forum expectations and how those sort out that we haven't really even touched on. Those are going to be the make or break when it comes to a successful migration and none of that is really dependent on timeline. There are probably going to be some ugly and hard discussions and decisions coming up because there seem to be different pictures of where people want the forums to end up, and questions about if a semi-amicable divorce is the better outcome.
My opinion is all those discussions should be tabled for a week or two until we get past the most stressful and fearful week of most of our lives OUTSIDE the forum but I assume people are still going to want to argue that if nothing but as an escape from all that's happening next Tuesday.
I know a lot of people are really going to hate it, but @spool32 based on what has been said seems uniquely capable and experienced in handling this kind of transition. Most importantly, seems willing to take the role in doing it.
"Come join this forum and participate OR I will put out a calendar of my bod."
All I know is that if I’m lookin at a sexy calendar of dudes I expect them to have their tarps off
I refer "the vehicle shed". It's not fair to just restrict it to bikes.
yeah I would love spool to run point on this if we can.
I can vouch personally for his ability to handle shit way more complicated than this.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
/sunglasses
YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH
We absolutely cannot be posting here on May 20th and expect to be posting to the new place on May 21st.
This means we must be onto the new place in 6 months.
This really means focusing on the nuts and bolts of the actual forum move and the logistics involved around actually running the thing and worrying about future state and moderation/culture/other stuff on new forums until we have new forums to go to.
1) It's well before the drop-dead date of May 21. No schedule ever survives first contact and all that, good amount of buffer.
2) It's midweek. But maybe a weekend is better since this isn't exactly a regular work project?
3) I pulled it straight out of my ass.
Where would I go? I mean I don't go to reddit or anywhere else {like the wow forums at all}
You'd probably want at least a 3 month lead time to have a banner up here and essentially lock the forums down so people migrate their accounts. There's a few people that don't check very often and it'd be nice to give them as much notice as possible.
PA Corp were originally on board with a December switchover, so 6 months of 'these don't exist any more, but the community moved here' would be nice.
Two days before Easter long weekend. Not sure if that's good or bad.
If you need someone to do that just let me know and I'm happy to volunteer my services.
April feels a little too close for comfort. Who knows if the goalposts will move on us again. There are some primary dates and milestones to define first, and soon: funding/financial plan, tech solution plan, staffing plan, and data migration plan (if any). I'd say getting all that figured out plus a basic, operable forum up by like, March, is a reachable goal. All the finer points can be worked out in time.
I think it's definitely worth thinking about this in terms of everyone teaming up at the end of the movie because they can't defeat the aliens on their own. The actual forum that most of the people posting in this thread spend, if we're being honest, probably more than a little too much time on, is disappearing. Our primary concern, at least with regards to this difficult transition, is in a very real way the survival of our shared space. And with the new timeline, we really don't have a lot of extra room for fucking up.
(it seems like the discussion(s) in the working forum are going really well, I just really want to stress that, for once, we are all united in our common interest. Either we succeed at this, or we perish entirely. No one has to put away grudges in every aspect of everything, but the Worst Guy You Know is probably going to make a few great points about neutral topics during the transition, and we should all strive to accept when this happens, to save the forum we all love, even if we don't always love everyone in it.)
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a) As was said above, this is the first time the forum has an actual united goal, and I would want as many people involved to increase our sense of belonging since this is a shared space
b) We are running on unpaid volunteer work and it feels bad to ask one guy to do a large portion of the work
c) Honestly, I just want to avoid future possible inter-forum political headaches as much as possible, and sharing the work mitigates that I think
For spool, he seems to be the only person uniquely position to actually handle the legal side of things, so I would prefer someone else do the project management if possible.
PSN: jrrl_absent
Nah, it was this: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/18933097#Comment_18933097
Apparently, whatever I did was bad enough that they shut the whole thread down immediately, though.
Oh wow, that gives me flashbacks to one of my websites before it was even my website...
Iiiiiiiiiiiii... think I have an idea of one of those you're talking about.
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Kinda feel like maybe this thread should be locked / only used for moderator and admin updates and any general forumer discussion moved to the Future State 'water cooler' discussion?
Too clunky.
I suggest “The Desktop Hippies”
how dare you sir! We now have forum beef!
specifically beef tips. you bring a side. maybe someone can bring drinks
we can have a BBQ!
wait, what were we talking about?
agreed, I had no idea we lost 6 months of forum time because I thought this was more of a dead thread what with the new subforum
Cookouts, clearly.
PSN:Furlion