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iTunes U - Braingasm

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edited June 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
So, I've started to use iTunes U for personal enrichment. Basically, it's podcasts for college students - course lectures are downloadable through iTunes, for free, straight into your iPod. I heard about the service a while ago but I didn't start using it until I downloaded iTunes 7.2 (it may not have actually been available in prior versions, but I'm not sure about that).

I love the idea. I've always been intrigued by audiobooks, but I don't read fiction much - 99% of what I read is nonfiction, and audiobooks tend to be lacking in that area. Being able to listen to a lecture on neuroscience or cognitive psychology in my car, though, makes my pants tight. MIT OpenCourseWare is up there, as is a bunch of stuff from Stanford and Berkeley. (Yes, this does mean that I listen to college lectures for fun. Yes, I am a big fat nerd.)

One nice thing about it is if you're allergic to giving corporations your personal info, you don't need to sign up for an Apple ID. All you do is install iTunes and go - no Apple Store account is needed.

The biggest drawback is that, as far as I can tell, courses are organized by university. There's no way to search for, for example, "Introductory Psychology" - you have to click on a uni first.

Of course, not everybody is enamored with the notion as I am. With any new medium, somebody in the old guard is going to feel threatened, and predictably the launch of iTunes U was met with teachers and students alike extolling the virtues of classroom learning and complaining that this will just cause kids to skip class (oh, the horror!). I've never done well with one-size-fits-all teaching styles; most classes go way too slow for me and I can't count the number of times I wished I could fast-forward my professor... or skip past the inane questions asked other students who obviously didn't bother with the introductory reading. Lest I come across too arrogant, there are also subjects in which I've had difficulty and being able to rewind/replay a bit of a lecture would have been a godsend.

What do you guys think? Have you utilized this service? If so, are you using it for personal enrichment or for actual college credit? Have you found any particular gems you want to share? Or do you think that this is just an excuse for slackers to skip class?

every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I've given the MIT ones a try, it was about neuroscience or something, some DEEP stuff. The one drawback on these, is that it was all audio, no video at all, so when the Professor was pointing out "this area is the blablabla," I had no idea what he was talking about, so I gave up shortly after that. I'm probably going to give some psychology lectures or try or something, courses that don't require that much visualization. I couldn't see myself teaching mathematics or sciences from those courses, but say History?? That could be really useful.

    And to the teachers that are saying people will skip due to these...WAKE-UP!! Students skip when they have 2pm classes, changing the style of the lecture will not cause this massive drop-out of students. I can't believe teachers are that naive to think college kids don't know their limits by now. For the first semester of college, I was scheduled in for 8am Calc 2 classes, I attended half my lectures, as my lectures were all recorded online, so I would go back in the afternoon and watch them, constantly going back and having the Professor repeat what he just said. After my first semester, my earliest class was at 10am, and that was easy for my to make. Students should know what their limits are by now, and if they still don't, then skipping classes would be the least of their worries.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    My plan for surviving university computer science, namely math, involves listening to these things while I sleep. Of course it works, I saw it in a movie once.

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Okay, this looks pretty cool.

    I'm downloading one on the Aeneid. So excited.

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    edited June 2007
    If you don't want the prof's name to appear in your artist list, click the "Part of a compilation" button on any lecture you download before syncing to your iPod. (They really should be automatically added to compilations.)

    It auto-creates Playlists, so you don't have to worry about finding it later.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Elendil wrote: »
    I'm downloading one on the Aeneid. So excited.

    Excellent choice. :^:

    Browsing this is a pain, though.

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  • VeegeezeeVeegeezee Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Huh!

    I love the idea, but it would be great if some of these were video, particularly anything with math. But MIT's lectures are available in written form with notes, too, so I'm not complaining very hard here.

    edit: Oh, hey, there are movies. Nevermind.

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Oh man.

    Why did I not know this existed?

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  • LaterationLateration Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Awesome. I've been completely enamored by the OpenCourseWare movement lately and it's really great to see Apple jumping on board. I can see how some people might be worried that this could detract from the learning environment, but the arguments in that editorial are terrible:
    If anything, the offering of additional multimedia might serve more as an encouragement to skip class, than an extra tool, as students may feel that they can get the same information from the comfort of their own bedroom.
    So? College isn't like high school, students pay for their individual classes, and if they want to waste their money by not attending it's their decision. And yeah, sometimes I would prefer to sleep in and watch my lectures from the comfort of my own room instead of sitting in uncomfortable plastic chairs surrounded by hundreds of other students for a couple hours; does that make me a bad student? I didn't realize that discomfort was essential to the learning experience and that the lecture halls served the same purpose as the hard wooden pews in old Catholic Churches, because apparently my understanding of academic topics increases in direct proportion to the state of discomfort I am in.
    We're not going to download extra supplements to the lectures, because we already sat through them to begin with.
    Extra. As in 'in addition to and apart from the course material.' As in additional material not covered in class.
    We honestly doubt however, how many people would actually take the time to download and take advantage of this information.
    Maybe people who, unlike you apparently, actually enjoy learning and would like to learn more about the subject they are currently enrolled in and passionate about. Or maybe those of us who can't afford to go to an Ivy League College but who would still like to learn about subjects that interest us.
    Plus, if the information available to download is really that important, then it should have been incorporated into the professor's lectures to begin with.
    Hmm, maybe the professors didn't have time to cover all the material they wanted to in a few 50-minute classes a week for 10 weeks. And maybe the information they wanted to include wasn't important from a strict Utilitarian standpoint, so instead of covering it in class they provide it online to those of their students who are interested. Nope, I guess this must be a sign of failure on the prof's part because they weren't capable of condensing the entirety of their subject which they had to spend years studying into a ten week course for people with limited credentials.
    It is definitely not a brilliant instruction tool and teachers should not make it their main form of teaching.
    Woh, since when did iTunes U state that that was its goal? I'm pretty sure if it was there would be a lot less cooperation on the part of professors, many of whom earn a living by lecturing in person, and on the part of universities who make millions by convincing students to come to their university and attend lectures. iTunes U is simply a tool for professors to extend the learning experience beyond the classroom; if used properly it can't detract from lectures, it can only add to them.

    [/rant]

    Anyways, people who are interested in this might want to check out the podcasting sites other universities provide for their students already. MIT's and UC Berkeley's sites are particularly well done imo.

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  • AcidSerraAcidSerra Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I jsut foudn this the other day and now I'm excited, I don't know how I'll fit all this into my schdule but I know I'll listen to alot of these. I like learning things, I just never could stand all the grades and the busy work.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Pretty cool.

    Videos would have been better, obviously...maybe some time in the future.

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  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This is awesome. And I was pleased to see Michigan Tech on there! I'm not much into their subjects of expertise, thus why I didn't actually go there, but it's nice to see a university local to me getting some love.

    I found a handful on education I'm going to check out. Thanks for the heads up, Feral.

    Oh to answer the OP questions: I'm doing this for personal and professional enrichment. I'll probably branch out to something I'm a novice at, like psychology, based upon my experience with the service.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Also relevant to this is the MIT Open Courseware thing: http://ocw.mit.edu/index.html

    Good learning fun!

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    After hearing a two-hour lecture on the Aeneid, I can safely say this is fucking cool simply because I enjoy hearing people tell me about things I enjoy.

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I think I might be addicted to the meer concept of this. I'm now in the process of downloading Stanford courses for Journalism, Literature and Philosophy.

    This is great for someone like me who went to a non-traditional college and missed out on taking classes outside of my major just because they sounded interesting.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I have an upcoming ten-hour drive to Portland, followed by a three-hour drive to Seattle.

    This may keep me busy...

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    H5 on the rant, Lateration :P

    I really like this idea, think I'll give it a go once I'm not so flat out learning all this other stuff. As an additional point, I think it'll come in really handy as a refresher for former students. I know I've forgotten a hell of a lot of stuff from early in my degree just because I didn't use it regularly after semester was over. Plus, it takes a few go-overs before I really get a given piece of material. This is made of win.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2007
    Wow. I actually wouldn't mind trying this.
    Especially since, in a lecture-style setting, even in hs, where the only notes are what you write down, I have a hard time picking out the important info and writing it down. Something like this would let me listen to it a few times, and avoid the "write it down" part.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This makes me wish my major wasn't 85% studio-based.

    Also, GaTech needs to get on top of this.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Stanford business classes...

    *drool*

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  • AcidSerraAcidSerra Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Aynone know of a particular college in there with good history info?

    P.S. So far I've listened to a speaker at Duke Law talk about the legalities surrounding Pregnancy Discrimination and a speaker at the ASU's business school tlak about major airline mergers. My backlog has more business stuff and some art disertations from Otis University I think it is... Thus far I'm planning on getting in at least one a day, but It'll probably wind up being more.

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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Elendil wrote: »
    Okay, this looks pretty cool.

    I'm downloading one on the Aeneid. So excited.

    Would you be so kind as to save me some trouble of looking for this episode? Searches for Aeneid turned up futile

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  • MuttnikMuttnik Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This is fantastic.

    I am a much better audio learner, anyways. Standford history lectures, fuck yes.

    *Edit*

    Oh god, I am downloading a dozen of these at a time.

    when will it end, man

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    lordswing wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    Okay, this looks pretty cool.

    I'm downloading one on the Aeneid. So excited.

    Would you be so kind as to save me some trouble of looking for this episode? Searches for Aeneid turned up futile
    It's from Stanford. Right on the main page.

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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Elendil wrote: »
    lordswing wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    Okay, this looks pretty cool.

    I'm downloading one on the Aeneid. So excited.

    Would you be so kind as to save me some trouble of looking for this episode? Searches for Aeneid turned up futile
    It's from Stanford. Right on the main page.

    Thanks

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    lordswing wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    lordswing wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    Okay, this looks pretty cool.

    I'm downloading one on the Aeneid. So excited.

    Would you be so kind as to save me some trouble of looking for this episode? Searches for Aeneid turned up futile
    It's from Stanford. Right on the main page.

    Thanks
    Actually, it's under Arts and Humanities. Missed a step.

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  • SpazSpaz Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    This is an awesome idea, I just wish there was more on there. I just listened to an incredible lecture by Judith Butler, and it makes me sad that there was only one track on there from her.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    service looks kickass, great thread.

    will get back to this after I actually listen to a few.

    edit - ugh I hate how itunes sorts this shit, but that's a separate issue.

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  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    How long as this been around?

    I'd imagine if there are other people like us, downloading voraciously, that we can expect more universities to jump on board and it to become a standard university tool for advertising, if nothing else.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Well I first heard about it back in February or March, but I just started playing with it yesterday. I think it's new for iTunes 7.2, which hasn't been out for terribly long.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'm getting everything I can, I see no reason not to. this is great... don't have to just choose a few classes I'm interested in like real life.

    this is really excellent, I hope it expands!

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Holy fuck, the "Literature of Crisis" Standford course comes with a goddamn syllabus.

    Why do I think that's cool?

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2007
    Heh, The MIT Microecon lecture makes me feel way less intimidated by the place. Lecturer skipped the first class because it was mostly admin stuff, there wasn't a projector available the first week, didn't put the slides up on the web before the lecture and waxed poetic about the days of scribbling on OHT transparencies, waffled on about other admin stuff for ages and referred to iTunes as "iMusic" :P just like home!

    Decent lecture once he gets going though. I shall persist.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I can't wait to get home now, just because of this.

    the beauty is that while I know I won't really focus on it hard, I don't have to.

    I wonder how far this can really expand, how much colleges will be willing to essentially give away. anyone see that being a problem?

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  • MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Variable wrote: »
    I can't wait to get home now, just because of this.

    the beauty is that while I know I won't really focus on it hard, I don't have to.

    I wonder how far this can really expand, how much colleges will be willing to essentially give away. anyone see that being a problem?

    No.

    This won't give you a degree.

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  • DVGDVG No. 1 Honor Student Nether Institute, Evil AcademyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Mahnmut wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    I can't wait to get home now, just because of this.

    the beauty is that while I know I won't really focus on it hard, I don't have to.

    I wonder how far this can really expand, how much colleges will be willing to essentially give away. anyone see that being a problem?

    No.

    This won't give you a degree.

    Of course not, and I doubt it ever gets far past 100-level courses. However, learning about the topics ahead of time can only help you when you actually go to college.

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  • MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    DVG wrote: »
    Mahnmut wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    I can't wait to get home now, just because of this.

    the beauty is that while I know I won't really focus on it hard, I don't have to.

    I wonder how far this can really expand, how much colleges will be willing to essentially give away. anyone see that being a problem?

    No.

    This won't give you a degree.

    Of course not, and I doubt it ever gets far past 100-level courses. However, learning about the topics ahead of time can only help you when you actually go to college.

    Yes.

    Not a problem. :)

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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    one side effect I see this doing, is if small colleges can put together some good lectures, that this could actually prove to be free advertisement for their colleges. obviously, the big name schools don't need this exposure. I can only see good things coming out of iTunesU.

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  • CheerfulBearCheerfulBear Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So, some of the classes seem to have video as well as audio. I've just downloaded a video podcast for introductory Greek.

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  • MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So, some of the classes seem to have video as well as audio. I've just downloaded a video podcast for introductory Greek.

    I don't think I'll be using that one. In the Introduction, the professor tells his students that they should spend between four and eight hours a day studying Greek outside of class (but more than ten is probably counter-productive). Eeek! I can only assume that the people at Concordia Seminary do not take many classes at the same time.

    I've downloaded the course on the Aeneid (yay, the Aeneid!) and a Biology 1A course. I need to decide whether I want to take biology classes in the fall, so this may help.

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