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as if you needed a reason to buy a Wii..
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STAR WIIS!
(i'm so sorry.. first Wii pun for me?)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14500
it's not an officially announced title, but LucsArts apparently do have a working prototype of some lightsaber action, running on a Wii.
Go nuts.
(i'm so sorry.. first Wii pun for me?)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14500
In response to a question from session moderator N'Gai Croal of Newsweek asking: "What would it take to make a lightsaber game for the Wii?", Ward, who is President of LucasArts and a Senior VP at Lucasfilm, commented:
"We’re all over that, and internally we have already played a lightsaber game on the Wii. It’s a lot of fun, and we’ll get there."
He added that the whole concept of a title using a lightsaber of Nintendo Wii was "...in place! There’ll be some stuff out this Fall - it’s going to be a lot of fun."
It's unclear whether Ward could have been referring to the TT Games-developed Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga, which will debut later this year on multiple formats including the Wii, or whether the company is planning further, as yet unannounced Wii-specific Star Wars games.
(The product page for The Complete Saga notes of the Wii SKU: "Motion-sensitive inputs give you exciting new ways to control your Lego Star Wars characters.")
The publisher is likely to reveal more information on its upcoming titles at the E3 Media Summit in Los Angeles early next month - Gamasutra will have the full write-up from the Jim Ward (LucasArts) and Neil Young (Electronic Arts) panel at Hollywood and Games in the near future.
it's not an officially announced title, but LucsArts apparently do have a working prototype of some lightsaber action, running on a Wii.
Go nuts.
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you are a terrible person
the pun is bad and you should feel bad
I only hope that we get more than a Lego SW game...I think many of us want a REAL Lightsaber fighting game. I mean, come ON...who doesn't?!
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Absolutely. It's gotta control like the baseball bat in Wii Sports, and heads will roll if they are big enough cockteases to do it any other way.
I'd be up for an included attachment, but if that one was possible it seems like it would have been included in the Wii remote in the first place.
I completely agree. I hope it is like jedi knight for controls. Depending on the way you swipe your controller will depend on how your char swings. This way it won't have to be 1:1 and still make it seem like you have more control.
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why would you say that
first of all, it would be pretty fun
second of all just the idea of it being 1:1 control would make it an instant success even if it wasn't as fun as everyone thought
Just because it would be more like using a real sword does not mean you would have to learn to properly hold or swing a sword. This is a dumb argument.
If the game, for example, detected the direction of your swing and made the guy on screen (or pair of hands on screen, or whatever) do a similar motion, then there is no difference in the difficulty between this and "1:1" control. You still have to swing it sideways, and you don't have to really swing in either case. The only difference is that the character's motion more closely matches yours.
Edit: There's also potential for less waggle lag (waggle laggle? laggle?) when the sword moves with you in real time. If it tries to detect a swing like proposed, then it has to wait until you do something it considers a swing for it to register, and then the character will do it. If it follows your movements in a "1:1" way, then it could have effect immediately. Especially with lightsabers, where you don't actually need any force (har har) to hurt whatever you're touching.
It is....
Has any of you gone to Disney Quest in Orlando? Thay have some virtual reality lightsaber game with 1:1 controls in which you block fireballs and fight some dude in the end. It IS fun.
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Hence, Red Steel.
Lightsabers, on the other hand, aren't under that restriction except in a few rare (and easily avoidable in game design) cases, so it just might work here. Guess we'll see.
I hope they use the wiimote for more than just 'waggle = button press'. As much as I love me some Twilight Princess, I was severely disappointed by the stunted swordplay mechanic. It doesn't have to be 1:1, but hopefully it will be more interesting than any movement correlating to the same result.
It's probably all the videos and developer demonstrations I've seen that show me that it can. Thanks, for enlightening me.
The key issue lies in the sword fighting aspect. Yes, you can make the Wii do 1:1. You can make it do very good 1:1. However, the instant there is something stopping your in-game character's weapon, we run into a problem. Your arm keeps goin', their's doesn't, things get out of sync.
From all evidence so far, it can't get very close to 1:1 and any attempt has serious lag. Got a good video where it shows on screen the remote's exact position?
Ok, I'm not very familiar w/ what 1:1 means, but from what you're saying here I assume the 'restriction' you're talking about is any time that a lightsaber would meet some kind of resistance and not just slice right through something, right? So by that definition, then dueling someone else with a lightsaber would be out of the question? For me, personally, I wouldn't want a lightsaber sim game that did not involve me fighting other dudes with lightsabers. I mean, yah, they're pretty handy for blocking blaster bolts, slicing off limbs (of self or other), and gutting Taun-tauns, but true lightsaber artistry comes in head-to-head combat with a similarly equipped opponent.
Or am I missing the point here?
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The main problem here is that the game doesn't know if you're holding the sword with two hands or not. Plus it would rely heavily on holding the controller the right way, or the data could be misinterpreted.
The sword-stopping issue doesn't come into play here until you meet another lightsaber user. And there are still methods of handling this. At worst, when the swords clash, they "slide" off of each other and make a sweet clash sound. Just like in the movies most of the time.
There's also the resistance issue and the fact that the Wii controller can't do perfect 1:1.
There was an arcade game that used a fake katana in which you would ride on rails running around slicing people and dueling people. It was pretty fun. It also reminded me of Bushido Blade in first person mode, which was also ridiculously fun. I hope it's like those two.
Well, I'm not claiming that the wiimote would stop in it's tracks when it hit something, but say, for instance that your sword got caught on something, couldn't they use your swing afterwards as kind of a measure of force (i.e. breaking through the block), maybe even make it an integral part of the game? Either way, I'm sure they could program it so that it would 'mark' where your wii remote was at at the time of the 'block', and resume control when your wiimote went back to that spot on the X or Y axis. I have seen demonstrations of the Wii reading 1:1, but it's not just 'lol, type in 'do what the remote does' easy. It will require programming tricks, but it can be done.
To visualize it, you swing your sword horizontally (let's say, right to left), and it is blocked. As long as you keep the remote to the left, you'll apply pressure on the blocker, your sword will, effectively, try to 'swing through'. When you pull back, past the point of initial contact, the blade pulls back as well. It's entirely possible, if quite a task to program correctly.
Please stop saying the remote can't do 1:1 controls, when there is a video, right here in this thread, showing it doing just that. If you want the wiimote to stop your arm when it hits something, though, I think you're asking for a bit too much. Oh, and if you want to use Red Steel as evidence that the remote can't do 1:1, then I'll use pong as evidence that games will never be anything more than two paddles and a ball.
A game that forces me to build an interesting skill is more rewarding than one that doesn't. Making me learn to swing a sword with reasonable efficiency or form sounds a lot like making me learn to perform combos in fighting games. I've certainly sunk an enormous amount of time into the latter, and see no reason why I wouldn't enjoy learning the former.
It'd be especially easy to do 1:1 in a cartoony sword fighting game, where your attacks don't bounce off a block, but rather the blocker slides backward in a cloud of dust, anime-style.
If the wiimote isn't precise enough to actually do 1:1 you can still approximate it, which is still lots of fun.
Hmmm...I kind of like this. To expand on it a bit, I'm curious what the remote's vibration capability is? I imagine a lightsaber, when 'lit' has a bit of a vibration to it. So, say, when you activate your saber w/ the remote, it starts a slight, constant vibration. then, when you swing and hit an opposing lightsaber, you get a quick, more intense vibration, and then as your arm carries through past the point where your virtual saber made contact, the vibration stops altogether to indicate that you are no longer directly controlling your virtual saber. When you pull your arm back to the point of contact, the vibration resumes and you are now controlling your lightsaber again. The vibration would also increase at any point that you sliced through something, an enemie's neck, a blast door, your son's wrist, a strange old hermit who suddenly stopped defending himself for some odd reason, or whatever. Anyway, is the wii-mote capable of this?
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This is the idea I had waaay back when people were first trying to claim sword fights weren't feasible. So, I agree with you here. Might not work as well in practice as it sounds, but it does sound like a solid idea to me.
agreed. I don't know a great deal about what data the Wiimote takes and sends, but i do like the sound of this idea as a means of getting round the issue of your saber being blocked on-screen.
But it is capable of reading the position of the remote, there are already several games that utilize this. I can't think of what one it is right now, but there's a minigame involving positioning the remote as it appears on the screen, and it's pretty precise. It's not as simple as asking the program 'where is the remote', but using the data you can obtain, it is possible to ascertain the exact position of the remote. It's all in the programming, but the capability is there. I was amazed, when playing excite truck, to note that the steering is recognized perfectly no matter how the remote is tilted forwards/backwards (accelerating/decelerating). That seems like a much more complicated trick than you would imagine.
I thought of a better example: Marble Mania. The game knows when the remote is level, it's not working off of a user established starting point. in fact, the levels mirror the position of the remote perfectly.