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  • NaregNareg Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    A long time ago you all used to do photoshop threads over in G&T and one point somebody posted a tutorial on how to go about photoshopping different characters into different situations - well after doing a search, I haven't been able to find it and was wondering if you all could point me to a relevant tutorial.

    I am trying to make a kind of "we miss you" card for a friend where all of the characters of our favorite movies have come together to say "we miss you!" (OK it's cheesy, but still...) I figure i'd cull the images from screens I can find on GIS and shop em together.... Know where I can find a good tut for this?


    Thanks

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  • anableanable North TexasRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Nareg wrote: »
    A long time ago you all used to do photoshop threads over in G&T and one point somebody posted a tutorial on how to go about photoshopping different characters into different situations - well after doing a search, I haven't been able to find it and was wondering if you all could point me to a relevant tutorial.

    I am trying to make a kind of "we miss you" card for a friend where all of the characters of our favorite movies have come together to say "we miss you!" (OK it's cheesy, but still...) I figure i'd cull the images from screens I can find on GIS and shop em together.... Know where I can find a good tut for this?


    Thanks

    Pretty much all you do is zoom in, use the lasso tool to outline the character you want to remove from a picture, and then copy and paste it into your collage. It's slow, but it's the only way I'm aware of to do it.

    http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/photoshop/l/blrbps_3aleaf.htm

    I had a question myself. I just picked up Drawn on the Right Side of the Brian. I was thinking about starting a newbie thread where I post lessons from the book and anyone that wants to follow along with me can. Any objections to this?

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  • tmccooltmccool Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Floydzor wrote: »
    Does anyone know to burn an image (for screen printing?)

    Assuming you have an image to burn and a screen on which to burn said image, the image is placed onto the screen, and you rub a chemical into the two with a cloth so that the plastic dissolves and becomes one with the screen. It's sort of toxic so you should do it in a well ventilated room. After this is done the ink can be applied to the screen.

    If you have a local Blick or Utrecht, ask there, because they will have stuff for you.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Who knows how to make a cross fade style transition in ImageReady that doesn't involve copying the image and lowering the opacity?

    And further more, why does the ImageReady save optimized feature save gifs like this:

    uaaaghth3.gif

    I save gifs using Photoshops save for web feature and they look fine.

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  • LahnLahn Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Hey everybody.
    Just read sticky, lurked for a while.
    Asking if there was anyone who could whip up a tattoo design for me? It's pretty simple for the majority of it, but my hands are retarded unless i'm holding a guitar.

    PM me please for the details!

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Lahn wrote: »
    Hey everybody.
    Just read sticky, lurked for a while.
    Asking if there was anyone who could whip up a tattoo design for me? It's pretty simple for the majority of it, but my hands are retarded unless i'm holding a guitar.

    PM me please for the details!

    Is this a paying job? I think this bit of information alone will get you more (or fewer) replies.

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  • TM2 RampageTM2 Rampage Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Is there any brand/type of ink that is alcohol-proof? As in, after you ink something and color it using alcohol-based markers (such as Copic markers) it won't smudge? I'm looking for a kind that comes in a jar/bottle/well... well, there is black Copic ink in a bottle that you can squirt out, but is there anything similar that's cheaper?

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Lahn wrote: »
    Hey everybody.
    Just read sticky, lurked for a while.
    Asking if there was anyone who could whip up a tattoo design for me? It's pretty simple for the majority of it, but my hands are retarded unless i'm holding a guitar.

    PM me please for the details!

    Is this a paying job? I think this bit of information alone will get you more (or fewer) replies.

    I dunno. If it's a simple design for me the satisfaction of seeing my design actually embedded into someone's skin would be payment enough!

    Lly on
  • Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2007
    Lly wrote: »
    Lahn wrote: »
    Hey everybody.
    Just read sticky, lurked for a while.
    Asking if there was anyone who could whip up a tattoo design for me? It's pretty simple for the majority of it, but my hands are retarded unless i'm holding a guitar.

    PM me please for the details!

    Is this a paying job? I think this bit of information alone will get you more (or fewer) replies.

    I dunno. If it's a simple design for me the satisfaction of seeing my design actually embedded into someone's skin would be payment enough!

    I thought the standard response regarding tattoos was, 'go to actual tattoo artist and have them design it...since, you know, that's their job, and they know what works as a tattoo and what doesn't, and will be the one putting it on your skin eventually anyways so you want to make sure they're good enough with art that they won't fuck it up.'

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  • LlyLly Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, that too!

    Lly on
  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Is there any brand/type of ink that is alcohol-proof? As in, after you ink something and color it using alcohol-based markers (such as Copic markers) it won't smudge? I'm looking for a kind that comes in a jar/bottle/well... well, there is black Copic ink in a bottle that you can squirt out, but is there anything similar that's cheaper?

    I might be wrong, but I always thought marker work was done over photocopied art, which is marker-proof?

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  • TonkkaTonkka Some one in the club tonight Has stolen my ideas.Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Lly wrote: »
    Lahn wrote: »
    Hey everybody.
    Just read sticky, lurked for a while.
    Asking if there was anyone who could whip up a tattoo design for me? It's pretty simple for the majority of it, but my hands are retarded unless i'm holding a guitar.

    PM me please for the details!

    Is this a paying job? I think this bit of information alone will get you more (or fewer) replies.

    I dunno. If it's a simple design for me the satisfaction of seeing my design actually embedded into someone's skin would be payment enough!

    I thought the standard response regarding tattoos was, 'go to actual tattoo artist and have them design it...since, you know, that's their job, and they know what works as a tattoo and what doesn't, and will be the one putting it on your skin eventually anyways so you want to make sure they're good enough with art that they won't fuck it up.'

    I've done at least 4 tattoo designs for other people (and one for myself), and there's never been any complaint from any of the tattoo artists, and I've had some compliments passed on to me as well. I'm sure they do some editing to suite their own style, but to a certain extent they really do what you ask them to unless it's really impossible in the medium.

    You're the customer, get what you want because sometimes the tattoo artist likes one thing, you like another. Don't get what the tattoo guy says just because he says so. Bring in the picture of what you want, EXACTLY what you want and work with the artist from there.

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Tonkka wrote: »
    You're the customer, get what you want because sometimes the tattoo artist likes one thing, you like another. Don't get what the tattoo guy says just because he says so. Bring in the picture of what you want, EXACTLY what you want and work with the artist from there.

    I've done flash before as well (one tattoo artist gave me some free inkwork to make some custom designs for him), and if an artist is any good at all he'll be as adept at translating something you bring to him as he is at doing his own stuff.

    That said, you still want to make sure the artist doing your work actually IS good - make sure you ask to see his portfolio of finished work, both his own designs and designs by other people.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    God knows I've seen some horrible tatoos. -"Nice bulldog, man" -"Hey! That's my daughter!"

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  • RiverRogueRiverRogue Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hey everyone, hoping this is the right place, I am looking for someone to do art for a comic I have been wanting to write. I have been writing for quite some time and have become immersed into the world of comics. They have inspired me to give it a try myself, but, I just have one problem: I can't draw too well :lol:

    Someone also suggested that while I am looking for some samples of art, I myself should post some of my writing samples! Here is a clip from a James Bond short story that I wrote, "Love is A Loaded Gun"
    The room was lit by a lone green tinted desk-light that shone over the broad desk; the rays of light catching upon M’s weather-beaten face. He waved his hand towards the chair in front for him and his desk. Bond walked over and sat down. M glanced at Bond through the thick smoke that rose from his pipe.

    “Let’s place the pleasantries aside and get straight to it.” M said abruptly. M tossed a standard manila dossier onto his leather-topped desk. The stamped red star on the folder signified that it contained top-secret documents.
    “But of course sir.” replied Bond, opening the thin dossier. Its contents contained mission documents about the assassination; just as he had assumed. Bond removed a small black and white photo from it, glancing at a picture of a man he had never seen. The only recognizable feature was the hat he was wearing; that of KGB personnel.
    He looked as if he was in his mid 40’s; around Bond’s age.
    He had a long rectangular face, a very drawn one at that. His dark brown eyes matching his slicked back hair and well trimmed mustache. After his second glance Bond came across a very vulgar feature; the man was missing the bottom half of his right ear. The rest of the ear was mildly burnt; a past gun wound.
    M interrupted Bond’s thoughts, “His name is Adrik Diakov, a KGB Colonel. We have proof that he authorized the assassination; this is a deliberate act against Queen and Country.” M’s pipe had gone out. He reached for his matches and wasted time struggling to get it going again.

    “One of our operatives deep inside the KGB discovered interesting intelligence about his recruitment into the organization.”
    “Care to explain, sir?”
    M looked with disproval “If you’d be so kind to let me continue, Double-Oh-Seven.”
    “Quite sorry, sir.” Bond was sure that the tension had gotten to M. Noticing M picking away at his fingers; an obvious nervous habit.

    “A number of years ago, a multiple murder occurred. A single shooter gunned down nine Russian civilians in the middle of Red Square.”

    “Yes, the story was all over the tabloids. Just before the gunman could turn the weapon on himself, he was tackled by officials. This collision caused him to miss his temple and shoot himself in the ear.” interrupted Bond, remembering the story from the Sunday Express.

    “Exactly, though the puzzling thing is that the papers weren’t allowed to release the gunman’s name. Nor would we ever see his face. The documents tell us that the gunman was Diakov.”

    “But why did he do it, sir?”

    “Something else we never knew until now… You see, after the murder of his lover, Diakov went into a suicidal rage. What we found odd was that information about his lover’s killer wasn’t known. No name, description or gender was listed.” M lifted himself from the leather padded chair and slowly walked over to the office rain-streaked window, holding the pipe to his mouth.

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  • TM2 RampageTM2 Rampage Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    multimoog wrote: »
    Is there any brand/type of ink that is alcohol-proof? As in, after you ink something and color it using alcohol-based markers (such as Copic markers) it won't smudge? I'm looking for a kind that comes in a jar/bottle/well... well, there is black Copic ink in a bottle that you can squirt out, but is there anything similar that's cheaper?

    I might be wrong, but I always thought marker work was done over photocopied art, which is marker-proof?
    Yep, I've heard of that method, too. I don't have a photocopier, though... and if I used a printer, well the marker paper I have would need to be cut down manually... and thus I can't produce bigger pieces...

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Do you have access to a Kinko's, or other similar copy place nearby? You can copy stuff pretty large, the self-service machines go up to 11x17 I think.

    Your other option is to use colors over very light pencil drawing, then ink with black when you're done.

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  • OverlordOverlord Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I was wondering if any of you guys know of any PHP scripts that would allow me to have a gallery on my site I'm working on. It's for my online portfolio, and I'd like to have a script to resize, make thumbnails, link, etc images in the gallery. It would also be nice if it had sections like Traditional Art, Digital 2D, Digital 3D, Video. etc.

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited August 2007
    Overlord wrote: »
    I was wondering if any of you guys know of any PHP scripts that would allow me to have a gallery on my site I'm working on. It's for my online portfolio, and I'd like to have a script to resize, make thumbnails, link, etc images in the gallery. It would also be nice if it had sections like Traditional Art, Digital 2D, Digital 3D, Video. etc.

    Check out Gallery 2.

    http://gallery.menalto.com/

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  • anableanable North TexasRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Overlord wrote: »
    I was wondering if any of you guys know of any PHP scripts that would allow me to have a gallery on my site I'm working on. It's for my online portfolio, and I'd like to have a script to resize, make thumbnails, link, etc images in the gallery. It would also be nice if it had sections like Traditional Art, Digital 2D, Digital 3D, Video. etc.

    If your webhost uses cPanel, you can load Gallery or Coppermine from Fantastico. It's pretty straight forward to use and does what you describe.

    anable on
  • OverlordOverlord Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm having trouble getting it to take my MYSQL info.

    I get this screen

    main.php?g2_view=core:DownloadItem&g2_itemId=12924

    But I'm not sure what info the put where.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    OK, you guys, I'm stuck. I'm trying to create an HTML bulleted list that displays with custom .gif bullets.
    I got the CSS to display my custom bullet by doin this:
    CSS wrote:
    ul {
    list-style-type: none;
    }

    li {
    background: url(bullet.gif) left center no-repeat;
    padding-left: 15px;
    margin-bottom: 10px;
    }


    However, should I set up an order list, it also displays with the bullets:
    bullettestpn3.gif

    I tried setting the image attribute to the UL tag rather than the LI
    CSS wrote:
    ul {
    list-style-type: none;
    font: 8pt Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
    background: url(bullet.gif) left center no-repeat;
    }

    ol {
    font: 8pt Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
    }

    li {
    padding-left: 15px;
    margin-bottom: 10px;
    }
    but that resulted in randomly disapearing bullets in the UL
    bullettest2fb3.gif


    Is there a way to set a LI tag that follows the UL and then another one that follow the OL?

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  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    What you want might be something like this:
    ul {
    list-style: none;
    }
    ul, ol {
    font: 8pt Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
    }
    ul li {
    background: url(bullet.gif) left center no-repeat;
    }
    

    That should make all uls and ols have no list-style, whilst only list items appearing in unordered list have the background.

    Edit: The reason only one bullet was appearing is because you've set the list element itself to have the background appearing once in the center-left position. So if you drew a line around the whole list, and placed an image at the left-center point that is where your background image is.

    To get the custom bullet point style you need to apply the background to each list item as above..

    Double edit: Man this is a really late reply so you've probably aready figured this out..

    Triple edit: Dear God, don't use pt for font! Don't even use px! Em's and %s are the most accessible and generally friendly.. Learn to love them!

    SporkAndrew on
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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Dude, you rock!

    Based on your code I worked this out:
    CSS wrote:
    ul {
    list-style: none;
    }
    ol {
    font: 8pt Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;
    }
    ol li {
    margin-bottom: 10px;
    }
    ul li {
    background: url(bullet.gif) left center no-repeat;
    padding-left: 15px;
    margin-bottom: 10px;
    }

    Also, good looking out on the font size issue! I left it on pt in this example, but I'll get on that.

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  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Glad I can be useful once in a while.. :)

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I have a question, and this seems to be the place to put that sort of thing, so...

    I often see artists (mainly comic book artists and cartoonists) using a blue pencil to do their layouts prior to inking, since the blue doesn't come through on a photocopy, or can be easily isolated and elminated from the image in photoshop. My question is, what are these blue pencils? Are they just regular colored pencils? Colored pencils aren't really eraseable, so I've always assumed that they're something different...but I can't seem to find any information on them online (every artists site who talks about using them never seems to call them anything other than "blue pencils"...I haven't seen any specific brand or type mentioned).

    So what exactly are they, and where would I find them?

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  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    http://www.cleansweepsupply.com/pages/item-san20045.html


    they call them Col-Erase


    I found them at office depot, but not at any art supply store.

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    http://www.cleansweepsupply.com/pages/item-san20045.html


    they call them Col-Erase


    I found them at office depot, but not at any art supply store.

    You know, I actually saw those at an arts & crafts store, and I thought those might be the ones. But, I figured that it was something that I would be able to buy individually, or in a pack of just those blue pencils. I didn't want to have to buy the whole set for just the one pencil.


    Edit: I just realized looking at that link that those are 12 packs of all the same color. Cool, maybe I'll just order some from that site then. :-)

    I'm assuming that the color called "non-photo blue" would be the one I am looking for...

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  • Angel_of_BaconAngel_of_Bacon Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2007
  • GreatnationGreatnation Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    way to steal my link man, oh nvm


    i actually just use the straight blue ones, not the specificly non photo blue ones. I hear they are waxy, and dont smooth out as well as the normal ones, but ive never really tried them

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  • CrowlestonCrowleston Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I don't know where you are from, but locally (my locally) you can find individual non-photo blue pencils in almost any arts/crafts store. (AC Moore, Michaels, etc.)

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007

    Yeah, I just figured that out. :P

    I may actually be going by an Office Depot later today in my travels. I'll pop in and see if they have them in stock, otherwise I'll probably order them from that site.

    And thanks for the quick replies! :-)

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Crowleston wrote: »
    I don't know where you are from, but locally (my locally) you can find individual non-photo blue pencils in almost any arts/crafts store. (AC Moore, Michaels, etc.)


    I've seen regular colored pencils sold individually...but not the eraseable ones.

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  • Chop LogicChop Logic Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm getting a tablet soon. I don't want to get one thats too small, I guess the minimum would be 6 x 8. I've narrowed it down to:

    Wacom Graphire 6x8 - $200
    Wacom Intuos 6x8 - $320

    I want to know if theres really a big difference between the two, the graphires and the intuos, before I spend an extra 120 for the same size tablet. Thanks a lot guys.

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited August 2007
    Depends on what you plan to use it for. If you're looking to do some pro work then spend the extra money. It's worth it. If you're looking for something to just help you with a hobby then stick with the graphire.

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Grifter wrote: »
    Depends on what you plan to use it for. If you're looking to do some pro work then spend the extra money. It's worth it. If you're looking for something to just help you with a hobby then stick with the graphire.


    I'm just curious, I hear people say that a lot. Specifically, what is the difference between the two that would make the Intuos more suitable for professional work? I'm not in the market for one...I actually have an Intuos2 that I bought a couple years ago and paid way too much money for considering the amount of use I've actually gotten from it (I do plan on remedying that situation soon and actually learning how to use the damn thing effectively...).

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  • RavenshadowRavenshadow Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Anyone know how to scan a pencil image better?
    I've got mine doing grayscale at 600 dpi and I'm getting this...
    face_sample.jpg

    this graininess is present in everything I scan and it's driving me nuts. Google is also no help on this subject. Anyone have any ideas? I don't mind fixing it with post processing or something (or even if I need a new scanner)

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited August 2007
    Grifter wrote: »
    Depends on what you plan to use it for. If you're looking to do some pro work then spend the extra money. It's worth it. If you're looking for something to just help you with a hobby then stick with the graphire.


    I'm just curious, I hear people say that a lot. Specifically, what is the difference between the two that would make the Intuos more suitable for professional work? I'm not in the market for one...I actually have an Intuos2 that I bought a couple years ago and paid way too much money for considering the amount of use I've actually gotten from it (I do plan on remedying that situation soon and actually learning how to use the damn thing effectively...).

    Well, I guess the difference would be whether you're getting paid or not but I guess "professional" is an incorrect term. There's more pressure levels in the Intuos models. This generally doesn't mean much to most people. Then Intuos brands have the touch strips for quick scrolling and they have more quick buttons. This helps you work more quickly without having to go back to the keyboard all the time. The Intuos comes with a better pen and supports pen tilt. So, the tablet can tell at what angle your pen is sitting. This is helpful for airbrush settings and stuff. It also comes with more pen nibs for different feelings when you're using it. It's generally a better device. Of course, that's why its more expensive.


    The Graphire is meant to be a more consumer friendly option that is cheaper. There's less features and The actual design of the device is made for it to be more fun than the Intuos models.

    What I meant when I said professional or hobby was that if you plan to use it all the time then go for the Intuos because it's definitely worth the price on it. However, if you're just looking for something to play around with then you might want to just go with the Graphire since there's not much of a reason to get all the extra stuff that comes with the Intuos.

    It's like when people ask which software they should purchase to do digital art. Most people will say Adobe Photoshop. However, that's an expensive piece of software to actually buy for yourself. So if you're just getting into digital art as a gas or something to pass time you might want to just go with Gimp or something relatively cheap unless you just have oodles of money lying around...or live in Hong Kong or have "access" to the good stuff.

    http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/differences.cfm

    Grifter on
  • TM2 RampageTM2 Rampage Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Anyone know how to scan a pencil image better?
    I've got mine doing grayscale at 600 dpi and I'm getting this...
    face_sample.jpg

    this graininess is present in everything I scan and it's driving me nuts. Google is also no help on this subject. Anyone have any ideas? I don't mind fixing it with post processing or something (or even if I need a new scanner)
    I think the graininess is coming from the texture of your paper. Up-close, there's white and stuff showing through because all those really small near-microscopic crevices weren't filled with graphite.

    You can turn up the contrast or fiddle with the "levels" (if you have Photoshop or something)...

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  • Highlander_77Highlander_77 Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Anyone know how to scan a pencil image better?
    I've got mine doing grayscale at 600 dpi and I'm getting this...
    face_sample.jpg

    this graininess is present in everything I scan and it's driving me nuts. Google is also no help on this subject. Anyone have any ideas? I don't mind fixing it with post processing or something (or even if I need a new scanner)
    I think the graininess is coming from the texture of your paper. Up-close, there's white and stuff showing through because all those really small near-microscopic crevices weren't filled with graphite.

    You can turn up the contrast or fiddle with the "levels" (if you have Photoshop or something)...

    Yeah, you can actually see the texture even on the parts of the paper that have no graphite on them at all.

    I'd probably recommend switching to paper with a smoother texture. I actually like to use regular old printer paper for a lot of my sketches for that very reason. That and it's cheap. But there are plenty of higher quality drawing pads available with smoother paper as well.

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