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Mac Users: need Mac testamonials.

JasconiusJasconius sword criminalmad onlineRegistered User regular
edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
My PC died, after only two months. I'm pretty tired of that sort of thing, and without the resources to properly diagnose my dead machine, I think it would be more cost/time effective to make the switch!

My coworker and friend is a tremendous Mac supported and suggested that I pick up an iMac, but I want a second opinion before I drop 2 grand on a new computer.

I am targetting a 20" iMac.

Aside from my design/programming work, which doesn't take anything that the iMac doesn't readily offer, hardware wise, my second use for my computer is gaming. Mostly MMO's like World of Warcraft (which Mac supports) but a few others that it doesn't. Does 20" iMac have enough juice to run these games with stability?

Also: I still have a very nice PCI-E video card that works, is there a way I can install that into an iMac (I doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to ask).

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I love my mac... but if you like games (other then WOW) then don't even bother. Somehow Math Blaster just doesn't measure up to current PC games.

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    MengerSpongeMengerSponge Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    I love my mac... but if you like games (other then WOW) then don't even bother. Somehow Math Blaster just doesn't measure up to current PC games.

    I think he's planning on running Windows on it as well, and, you know, having access to all games ever made for Windows ever.

    To the OP, unfortunatly I can't really help you. All I know is that the MacBooks are terrible for gaming, as their video cards are underpowered; no idea about the iMacs though. I doubt your video card can be transplanted.

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    SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    I love my mac... but if you like games (other then WOW) then don't even bother. Somehow Math Blaster just doesn't measure up to current PC games.

    I think he's planning on running Windows on it as well, and, you know, having access to all games ever made for Windows ever.

    To the OP, unfortunatly I can't really help you. All I know is that the MacBooks are terrible for gaming, as their video cards are underpowered; no idea about the iMacs though. I doubt your video card can be transplanted.

    Having seen Parallels running windows on an imac, I can safely assume that most games run on it will not be a very enjoyable experience.

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    MengerSpongeMengerSponge Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    Having seen Parallels running windows on an imac, I can safely assume that most games run on it will not be a very enjoyable experience.

    How about BootCamp? Parallels is just a virtual machine, so you're running two OS's at once. Boot camp lets you install Windows on a Mac just like you would on any other PC. Still might not be great for gaming (depends on iMac's hardware) but it should perform a lot better than Parallels.

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    Brodo FagginsBrodo Faggins Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    All Blizzard games run natively under OS X, and every single disc they ship have both the Windows and Mac versions on them.

    Here's a video of Half-Life 2 running under Bootcamp on an iMac; it's pretty smooth. The video was posted over a year ago, and I know the iMacs have undergone a processor boost since then.

    Edit: for the baseline 20 inch iMac, you can upgrade the processor online to a 256mb radeon x1600 for an extra 75 bucks.

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    Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Okay, first, Brodo I just looked at your sig closely and got scared.

    Second, I am on my Macbook, running bootcamp, happily happily. Let me say: at school we ran Doom 3 through a MacBook Pro on a 24" cinema display, and it actually worked well. Obviously not max settings or anything, but high rez, and not low quality, just not max. And that should be enough.

    Boot Camp will work fine and dandy for games, it'll be just like running it on a PC, so no worries.

    And no you can't install your PCI-E card.. sadly.

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    DeadshotDeadshot Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    The next iMac upgrade is coming like mid august, so you may as well wait.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah, I would likely use Boot Camp in some capacity because I need to run Visual Studio 2005, but really I'm getting it for games, I just want to make sure it can run something if I need it to, especially World of Warcraft.

    Mid August iMac upgrade you say? I think I can wait that long.

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    JPArbiterJPArbiter Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I have been a mac user for years (fluent in windows and linux too so I do not speak out of ignorance) honestly every apple product I have ever had has only stopped working because I royaly messed up (like pushed it to hard)

    WOW will run on apple, and there is actually a good selection of games in modern play avalible for mac. depending on your needs. Quake 4, Empire at War, anything Blizzard all are avalible.

    Dawn of war unfortunatly is not though, which makes me sad.

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    QuarterMasterQuarterMaster Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I've had my iMac for about 5 months and have no complaints. A copy of XP Home is running under BootCamp with no problems at all, and it plays all my games fine (Battlefield 2, CoD, Psychonauts, etc.). Definitely not the same as having a dedicated Windows machine, but for the occasional play it's fine.

    I'd also recommend checking out eBay. You can find them pretty cheap if you don't mind going used.

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    FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    All I have to say is make sure to get a big honkin' hard drive. I think the iMac comes with like a 250gb HDD standard, though, so that's seems good enough. The only complaint I have with my Macbook Pro is that I could only spare 15 gigs of my 80gb HDD on my Macbook Pro to run XP, and that leaves about 10gb for installing games. As a result, I can only have one large game installed at a time.

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    PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Wait for the mid August update for sure. Running boot camp makes your mac into a PC for all intents and purposes. Since you still have a valid Windows XP license, just install that and when you want to play the Windows only games or use Visual Studio, reboot into Windows.

    I don't know about the video card, but I'd highly doubt it would work, and since someone else already said it won't... yeah. I don't think the iMac line is terribly upgrade friendly in that capacity, although you certainly can change the hard drive and RAM and possibly even processor should you wish. On that note you'll want to get the minimum spec hard drive and RAM, and upgrade those yourself. It won't void your warranty. And you can get an external drive caddy and plug your current PC's hard drive into that, and use it as an external drive.

    As someone who's used Windows, Unix (I used to run a FreeBSD 5.2 server) and OS X, I can say honestly that the best user experience comes from OS X. It's really not even close. And if you want to dig into the background and learn how things work, you can go ahead and pop open a terminal window.

    Also, since you're a Windows programmer, I assume you know about COM objects and automation. Wait until you see what's exposed in OS X. It's exactly what you'd expect if someone were to start from scratch today and design an ideal replacement for the OLE/COM object model without any worries to backwards compatibility or any of that nonsense.

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    LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    OS X is awesome. Once you get to know it, you will love it. Even if you don't, you will find a plethora of free, or almost free, Mac software to do essentially anything you want in a much better way than the shedloads of crapware Windows developers come up with. Mac users expect better, and get better, because the Mac OS X development libraries make it pretty hard to fuck things up.

    Also, Boot Camp makes your iMac just a straight-up Windows machine (with Mac OS X on it!) so if you are worried about gaming speeds, just look at the specs and compare it to the competitors. You'll find that bang per buck, when you factor in the screen, it's pretty close. But when you ues Mac OS X for productivity, you'll find it has an edge over Windows and you will get work done faster regardless of the speed.

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    LoneIgadzraLoneIgadzra Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    And even when it comes to speed, though XP runs quite nicely on my MBP in comparison to other PC's I own, OS X feels a lot faster to me. I rarely have to wait on anything.

    But yeah, wait for the august upgrade. Apple usually bumps up the video cards then, and the current selection is less than mediocre by modern standards. Charging a premium for a non-gimped X1600 is unbelievable bullshit.

    Edit: Also, if you're going to be running Parallels, get 2 GB of RAM.

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    GafotoGafoto Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I grew up in a mac family and I'm posting from my iBook G4. I would love have one of the newer, improved processors but my computer runs pretty admirably. I would highly recommend an asston of ram as well.

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    AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Encountering a single isolated issue with your PC, and not wanting to fix it, is a pretty shitty reason to just throw it out and buy a new computer. You should at least make some effort to fix your PC before you go out and drop two grand. And Macs are just as prone to hardware failure as PCs, so don't go thinking they're completely immune to computer problems.

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    PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    And yet hardware failure is the rarest source of computer failure, so that's hardly a compelling argument. You'll be faced with the prospect of hardware failure if you decide to revert to a typewriter, too.

    So instead let's focus on saying things that provide useful information.

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