Any ETA on redesigned 360s?

Brian888

Has Microsoft told us when they plan on releasing their hopefully more-stable redesigned 360s? I want to get one, but even with the warranty I'd prefer not to have to send it back to Microsoft.

Burtletoy

I'd go out on a limb and say that the Halo3 bundle one will be a redesign, so there will probably be some on the market by the time Halo3 hits.

Evangir

I'm going to guess they'll never say which are or aren't defective. They don't want people leaving current 360s on the shelves to wait for the revision. Best advice is to just buy one when you want one, and if it breaks you can get it replaced by MS for 3 years (their customer service has been rather impressive, and the turnaround time is about 2 weeks).

Khavall

I'm guessing that MS will wait until everyone knows about the PS3 price-cut not really being a price-cut, and then they'll come out and be like "Hey........ we actually are going to have a price-cut and a redesign".

At least, that's what I'd do.

Death of Rats

Eh, wishful thinking won't get you anywhere Khavall.

Khavall

Tell that to my unicorn!

Death of Rats

You got a unicorn?

Khavall

Yeah, but I hear that they're thinking of having a wishful thinking cut on Unicorns... which is a shame since I already wishfully thought enough to get mine.

RainbowDespair

From the Peter Moore letter:

"We have been following this issue closely, and with on-going testing have identified several factors that can cause a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights on the console. To address this issue, and as part of our ongoing work, we have already made certain improvements to the console."

I assume if you bought a brand new console now that had recently shipped from the manufacturer, it would contain the modifications to reduce the likelihood of system failure.

JihadJesus

Death of Rats wrote: »

Eh, wishful thinking won't get you anywhere Khavall.

I don't know, aggressive price cuts at this point would pretty much put the final nail in Sony's market share coffin at this point - much like Sony did when they dropped to PS2 to $200 for its second (or was it third?) holiday season. The Xbox got buried in sales that season, the exclusives rolled in, and the deal was sealed.

If MS is serious about getting 90 million 360s into the market over its lifetime, a fairly substantial price cut soon could be a very good idea.

Dr_Keenbean

I have heard, and this is hearsay not fact, that the main issue was with the motherboards warping due to warmth and causing components that were not adhered to the board to lose contact.

I also heard from the same source that the Elites will not have this problem as MS properly adhered the components in question.

I have an Elite. If it blows up I'll let you know.

But for the love of god don't let this deter you from buying one. It truly is a wonderful little system. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go shower the shill off myself.

Shooter Mcgavin

Dr_Keenbean wrote: »

I have heard, and this is hearsay not fact, that the main issue was with the motherboards warping due to warmth and causing components that were not adhered to the board to lose contact.

I also heard from the same source that the Elites will not have this problem as MS properly adhered the components in question.

I have an Elite. If it blows up I'll let you know.

But for the love of god don't let this deter you from buying one. It truly is a wonderful little system. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go shower the shill off myself.

I heard about the warping as well, although the source I read it from was somethingawful.com, so take it for what it's worth :P

FreddyD

Shooter Mcgavin wrote: »

Dr_Keenbean wrote: »

I have heard, and this is hearsay not fact, that the main issue was with the motherboards warping due to warmth and causing components that were not adhered to the board to lose contact.

I also heard from the same source that the Elites will not have this problem as MS properly adhered the components in question.

I have an Elite. If it blows up I'll let you know.

But for the love of god don't let this deter you from buying one. It truly is a wonderful little system. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go shower the shill off myself.

I heard about the warping as well, although the source I read it from was somethingawful.com, so take it for what it's worth :P

The warping is very real.

The phrase 'design flaw' implies that there is a specific defect. But I think it is more accurate to say that the XBox 360 wasn't engineered well enough to handle its own heat. The combination of powerful components in a small space along with the consumer's desire for a quiet running machine must have posed a huge challenge for the hardware designers.

Shooter Mcgavin

Well it sounds to me like those 3rd party cooling fan attachments are worth their weight in gold

Xenogears of Bore

RainbowDespair wrote: »

From the Peter Moore letter:

"We have been following this issue closely, and with on-going testing have identified several factors that can cause a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights on the console. To address this issue, and as part of our ongoing work, we have already made certain improvements to the console."

I assume if you bought a brand new console now that had recently shipped from the manufacturer, it would contain the modifications to reduce the likelihood of system failure.

Because of overshipping and underselling, I wouldn't expect to see a recently manufactured 360 in a store until sometime late this holiday season.

FreddyD

Shooter Mcgavin wrote: »

Well it sounds to me like those 3rd party cooling fan attachments are worth their weight in gold

Air flow is pretty complicated. If you have more outtake than intake you can create an air vacuum. And all that hot air has to have somewhere to go, otherwise it will just get sucked back into the XBox. The cooling attachments also leech power from the XBox 360 to some degree, although the USB ones aren't as bad.

The custom cooling solutions are even more involved than gaming PCs. It's pretty obvious that the 360 is getting a lot of the hardcore PC gamer demographic, who use their case temps for bragging rights.