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Ive been making these for a while now. the actual drawing is NOT supposed to be amazing, so while i welcome feedback/critiques/etc just saying "you cant draw for shit" is very counterproductive.
I am not exactly sure what you meant as far as that little toon you posted. was that a backhanded compliment then telling me to research what people actually look like? sorry, im a little slow at this stuff....
and as far as the IP comment, im at work, in an office building.
I am not exactly sure what you meant as far as that little toon you posted. was that a backhanded compliment then telling me to research what people actually look like? sorry, im a little slow at this stuff....
you nailed it. honestly speaking though, what were you looking for exactly in an art critique forum? your drawing stick figures in ms paint with a mouse. telling you to study up on anatomy is quite literally the only peice of advice that you can benefit from at this point. they style of humor you use reminds me of sitting at a bar with my buddies, mildy or rediculously drunk, and generally acting idiotic. U know, inside jokes, or jokes that aren't really that funny but hey w/e we're kinda shitfaced and in a good mood?
...you probably don't care about any of this, do you?
long story short, you made a site for your friends, about your friends, so you and your friends could giggle along together. amirite?
a minimalistic style can sometimes be great, i love white ninja comics for example.
so beside the fact that i didnt find a single one of your comics funny, except for maybe the headline in your blog, which isnt even part of it, why do you say that the art is supposed to be irrelevant and then you go and hide their hands behind their backs, because apparantly you cant draw them? if you go for a minimalistic aproach then you stick to it, in your case however, it seems like you wish you could draw better, but are too lazy to put any actual effort into it.
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well, art doesnt always have to be purely based on aesthetics, does it? There is more to it than just straight up "this figure it drawn accurately and/or creatively", yes?
to answer the question about me making this for my friends, etc.....yes, it did start out that way, drawing them and posting them on my roommates doors, etc. then more and more people started asking me to post them online, so i started to do that. after doing that there were many people (friends, friends of friends, people i didnt know at all, etc) telling me to put up a real site, circulate them, and circulating them for me. at this point there are alot of people who i dont know, dont know any of my friends, etc who check them regularly and enjoy them greatly. and while i am not denying that they are (somewhat) autobiograpgical, there is a number of people who find them funny without knowlege of the people portrayed. im not trying to defend them, if they arent your thing, thats fine, and i do care about what you are saying. its more so that they are kind of an outlet for me(some more than others) and what i expect them to be/what ive been told they are (but strangers adn close friends) is that the cartoons themselves are kind of amateur but they have a very personal charm and they are also funny. that is all i was saying about the drawing not being amazing. that it wasnt my main concern. these are kinda impulsive and silly , and i like the fact that they come off amatuerish. while i am not claiming to be an amazing drawer or anything, the actual drawing are downplaining my abilities intentionally. and thats the point. im not trying to make a huge artistic statement or anything.
all i was trying to get out of this forum was any sort of feedback, there wasnt really anythign in particular that i was looking for.
well, art doesnt always have to be purely based on aesthetics, does it? There is more to it than just straight up "this figure it drawn accurately and/or creatively", yes?
to answer the question about me making this for my friends, etc.....yes, it did start out that way, drawing them and posting them on my roommates doors, etc. then more and more people started asking me to post them online, so i started to do that. after doing that there were many people (friends, friends of friends, people i didnt know at all, etc) telling me to put up a real site, circulate them, and circulating them for me. at this point there are alot of people who i dont know, dont know any of my friends, etc who check them regularly and enjoy them greatly. and while i am not denying that they are (somewhat) autobiograpgical, there is a number of people who find them funny without knowlege of the people portrayed. im not trying to defend them, if they arent your thing, thats fine, and i do care about what you are saying. its more so that they are kind of an outlet for me(some more than others) and what i expect them to be/what ive been told they are (but strangers adn close friends) is that the cartoons themselves are kind of amateur but they have a very personal charm and they are also funny. that is all i was saying about the drawing not being amazing. that it wasnt my main concern. these are kinda impulsive and silly , and i like the fact that they come off amatuerish. while i am not claiming to be an amazing drawer or anything, the actual drawing are downplaining my abilities intentionally. and thats the point. im not trying to make a huge artistic statement or anything.
all i was trying to get out of this forum was any sort of feedback, there wasnt really anythign in particular that i was looking for.
Ok, let's go point for point:
#1: Acquire and read Loomis' books.
#2: Find a better wordpress template. Even the classic theme is ok.
#3: Line breaks are pretty rad.
i like how you made the same comment as everyone else with the figure drawing stuff, yet felt the need to jump one pretentious step up and make a loomis reference.
i like how you made the same comment as everyone else with the figure drawing stuff, yet felt the need to jump one pretentious step up and make a loomis reference.
I referenced Loomis because he was a pretty rad dude and a good educator.
certainly not a troll, and aside from that last comment i made, i dont see what else i posted that caused any sort of commotion.....and that was only made because i didnt appreciate the entirely sarcastic tone of the post. everyone else, i have been explaining myself to rationally, because even though they may not agree with me, they said so in a much more constructive manner. this is the first forum ive ever joined and i certainally have better things to do than look for trouble with people over the internet.
as for the user name signifying that im a troll, please explain?
certainly not a troll, and aside from that last comment i made, i dont see what else i posted that caused any sort of commotion.....and that was only made because i didnt appreciate the entirely sarcastic tone of the post. everyone else, i have been explaining myself to rationally, because even though they may not agree with me, they said so in a much more constructive manner. this is the first forum ive ever joined and i certainally have better things to do than look for trouble with people over the internet.
as for the user name signifying that im a troll, please explain?
To be a troll, one does not need intent.
P.S.: You're doing it wrong. This is not the way you handle critique.
if you were just innocently referencing loomis in a sincere way, i apologize. but with the other "suggestions" made, you sounded like a smart ass.
Ok, let's go point for point:
#1: Acquire and read Loomis' books.
#2: Find a better wordpress template. Even the classic theme is ok.
#3: Line breaks are pretty rad.
There's not much else to say.
Which one did you take offense to? I not only told you where to go to improve your art, I offered a tip for improving your website and writing.
Im going to go on a limb here and say this guy does not need to study anatomy. It seems to be pretty far from the point he is trying to make, or what his comic is about.
anyhoo, how about some life drawing? you should sketch something, post it up. afterall, you did say you were purposely making the comic look "amateurish" so post something you put real effort into, then we can give you a real critique. art forum and all.
Im going to go on a limb here and say this guy does not need to study anatomy. It seems to be pretty far from the point he is trying to make, or what his comic is about.
Lilch,
I dont particularly want critiques on my drawing. not that me drawing something for real and posting is was a bad suggestion, but thats not really my thing. i make these cartoons, and i do photography , i havent drawn for serious (other than sketches to pass time on the subway, which i dont consider serious) since i left art school.
MKR,
Again, if it wasnt meant as snarky as i read it, i apologize.
Lilch,
I dont particularly want critiques on my drawing. not that me drawing something for real and posting is was a bad suggestion, but thats not really my thing. i make these cartoons, and i do photography , i havent drawn for serious (other than sketches to pass time on the subway, which i dont consider serious) since i left art school.
MKR,
Again, if it wasnt meant as snarky as i read it, i apologize.
Lilch,
I dont particularly want critiques on my drawing. not that me drawing something for real and posting is was a bad suggestion, but thats not really my thing. i make these cartoons, and i do photography , i havent drawn for serious (other than sketches to pass time on the subway, which i dont consider serious) since i left art school.
MKR,
Again, if it wasnt meant as snarky as i read it, i apologize.
and why is everyone assuming im a guy?
Wait...
Art school?
And if you didn't want an art critique, you posted in the wrong place.
uhm, real quick tho, you don't want a crit on your art, because you don't take the "cartoon" seriously. this begs the question, why did you post this in an art critique forum? not trying to be a dick, i'm honestly curious. you must understand, this is really the source of all the hostility you have seen. heck the reason i posted that backhanded compliment/study anatomy pic was because, based on the comic you posted (and later confirmed through your own posts) it was obvious this wasn't something you were serious about (as far as the art goes)
so once again...
why?
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wait, im lilch now? can't i be lil', or ching, or ch0ng? LILCH?!
again, what i was saying about the critique.....it can be art for a reason other than the actual drawing. so i thought in an art forum was a perfectly acceptable place to put it. i didnt realize it was a drawing based art forum. apparently i made a mistake.
and i never said i didnt take my cartoons seriously, i meant that the actual drawing was not the main concern of mine, and that the actual figures were kinda an afterthought. the cartoons themselves mean alot to me, but appearance of them is not my main focus.
again, what i was saying about the critique.....it can be art for a reason other than the actual drawing. so i thought in an art forum was a perfectly acceptable place to put it. i didnt realize it was a drawing based art forum. apparently i made a mistake.
and i never said i didnt take my cartoons seriously, i meant that the actual drawing was not the main concern of mine, and that the actual figures were kinda an afterthought. the cartoons themselves mean alot to me, but appearance of them is not my main focus.
You want critique on the art of your cartoon, not the drawing of your cartoon?
What does that mean? This isn't interpretative dance. Cartoons have two pieces: drawing and writing. There's nothing else to critique.
I think it's religious jargon.
Or maybe a way of expressing how sickly his lobster gets on wednesdays.
See? Interpretive! That was an artistic sentence there, with the use of "sickly" and "lobster" in coexpressionism! I totally understand the artsyness of this comic now!
Ive been making these for a while now. the actual drawing is NOT supposed to be amazing, so while i welcome feedback/critiques/etc just saying "you cant draw for shit" is very counterproductive.
check out the above site!
I'm going to interpret your original post:
Blah Blah Blah Blah I don't care what you say about the drawing I'm going to do whatever i want to do because I'm not really here for any advice on anything I just want more people to tell me I'm funny Blah Blah Blah.
check out the above site because that's why I came here in the first place!
This is a blatent sitewhore that only has only snuck by the rules because you posted a comic. Don't be so defensive about your comic. You've gotten plenty of advice from plenty of people, you should listen to it.
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Lilch,
I dont particularly want critiques on my drawing. not that me drawing something for real and posting is was a bad suggestion, but thats not really my thing. i make these cartoons, and i do photography , i havent drawn for serious (other than sketches to pass time on the subway, which i dont consider serious) since i left art school.
MKR,
Again, if it wasnt meant as snarky as i read it, i apologize.
and why is everyone assuming im a guy?
I didn't. Well, at first I pretty much assume that everyone on the internet is a dude. But as soon as I actually visited your site, I realised you weren't (since you seemed to be portraying yourself with the female character in the most recent strip).
I also don't think that had anything but good intentions when you started this thread, and after visiting the site I kind of see what you're doing, and I actually found it rather amusing.
The main problem here is that the primary purpose of this forum is for people to post artwork for serious, honest and (frequently) rather harsh critiques from other artists and fans of art. Obviously that wasn't what you were looking for, which is fine. Not everyone who draws a comic strip for simple amusement has to be a "serious artist".
As for the humor, like I said, I kind of like it for what it is. I actually chuckled at a few of the strips on there. Obviously not everyone is going to find it amusing, but as long as you enjoy making them, and there are people who enjoy reading them who want you to keep making them...then that's all that really matters.
i think that was a very unfair interpretation. all i stated in that is that i was not looking for hints on how to draw better people or whatever, and while there have been alot of critiques thats what they were all on. which is why i said from the beginning that it wasnt what i was looking for. even the people who said "i dont think they are funny", while not particularly productive were an actual opinion rather than just going into drawing style. even if you critiqued the style, thats fine. its just i didnt want to hear "your drawing sucks, look at figure drawings" . the statement about me embracing the simplicity cause right now its just like im trying to avoid drawing certain things was respectible and helpful.
i didnt come in here for "oh youre so funny" praise....i honestly wanted critiques. but i felt the drawing style was a glaring one that everyone would jump on and i wanted to make sure that wasnt what everyone dwelled on. content. critique that (although i feel like i know the answer at this point).
i think that was a very unfair interpretation. all i stated in that is that i was not looking for hints on how to draw better people or whatever, and while there have been alot of critiques thats what they were all on. which is why i said from the beginning that it wasnt what i was looking for. even the people who said "i dont think they are funny", while not particularly productive were an actual opinion rather than just going into drawing style. even if you critiqued the style, thats fine. its just i didnt want to hear "your drawing sucks, look at figure drawings" . the statement about me embracing the simplicity cause right now its just like im trying to avoid drawing certain things was respectible and helpful.
i didnt come in here for "oh youre so funny" praise....i honestly wanted critiques. but i felt the drawing style was a glaring one that everyone would jump on and i wanted to make sure that wasnt what everyone dwelled on. content. critique that (although i feel like i know the answer at this point).
Then I am wrong and rude once again, my appologies. Just make sure you are more clear on exactly what are looking for. Of course art is going to be the main thing that people crit though. And whatever i say completely ignore because for some reason today, I'm just being a giant dick.
i think that was a very unfair interpretation. all i stated in that is that i was not looking for hints on how to draw better people or whatever, and while there have been alot of critiques thats what they were all on. which is why i said from the beginning that it wasnt what i was looking for. even the people who said "i dont think they are funny", while not particularly productive were an actual opinion rather than just going into drawing style. even if you critiqued the style, thats fine. its just i didnt want to hear "your drawing sucks, look at figure drawings" . the statement about me embracing the simplicity cause right now its just like im trying to avoid drawing certain things was respectible and helpful.
i didnt come in here for "oh youre so funny" praise....i honestly wanted critiques. but i felt the drawing style was a glaring one that everyone would jump on and i wanted to make sure that wasnt what everyone dwelled on. content. critique that (although i feel like i know the answer at this point).
This leaves me confused, still. What exactly do you want critiques on?
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and as far as the IP comment, im at work, in an office building.
Fair enough.
Remember to clean up any messes you make in this thread...
you nailed it. honestly speaking though, what were you looking for exactly in an art critique forum? your drawing stick figures in ms paint with a mouse. telling you to study up on anatomy is quite literally the only peice of advice that you can benefit from at this point. they style of humor you use reminds me of sitting at a bar with my buddies, mildy or rediculously drunk, and generally acting idiotic. U know, inside jokes, or jokes that aren't really that funny but hey w/e we're kinda shitfaced and in a good mood?
...you probably don't care about any of this, do you?
long story short, you made a site for your friends, about your friends, so you and your friends could giggle along together. amirite?
so beside the fact that i didnt find a single one of your comics funny, except for maybe the headline in your blog, which isnt even part of it, why do you say that the art is supposed to be irrelevant and then you go and hide their hands behind their backs, because apparantly you cant draw them? if you go for a minimalistic aproach then you stick to it, in your case however, it seems like you wish you could draw better, but are too lazy to put any actual effort into it.
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to answer the question about me making this for my friends, etc.....yes, it did start out that way, drawing them and posting them on my roommates doors, etc. then more and more people started asking me to post them online, so i started to do that. after doing that there were many people (friends, friends of friends, people i didnt know at all, etc) telling me to put up a real site, circulate them, and circulating them for me. at this point there are alot of people who i dont know, dont know any of my friends, etc who check them regularly and enjoy them greatly. and while i am not denying that they are (somewhat) autobiograpgical, there is a number of people who find them funny without knowlege of the people portrayed. im not trying to defend them, if they arent your thing, thats fine, and i do care about what you are saying. its more so that they are kind of an outlet for me(some more than others) and what i expect them to be/what ive been told they are (but strangers adn close friends) is that the cartoons themselves are kind of amateur but they have a very personal charm and they are also funny. that is all i was saying about the drawing not being amazing. that it wasnt my main concern. these are kinda impulsive and silly , and i like the fact that they come off amatuerish. while i am not claiming to be an amazing drawer or anything, the actual drawing are downplaining my abilities intentionally. and thats the point. im not trying to make a huge artistic statement or anything.
all i was trying to get out of this forum was any sort of feedback, there wasnt really anythign in particular that i was looking for.
Ok, let's go point for point:
#1: Acquire and read Loomis' books.
#2: Find a better wordpress template. Even the classic theme is ok.
#3: Line breaks are pretty rad.
There's not much else to say.
You should make sure the titles are present with the strip, they may help em make sense.
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I referenced Loomis because he was a pretty rad dude and a good educator.
It's serious business it is.
as for the user name signifying that im a troll, please explain?
To be a troll, one does not need intent.
P.S.: You're doing it wrong. This is not the way you handle critique.
Which one did you take offense to? I not only told you where to go to improve your art, I offered a tip for improving your website and writing.
Then what is he asking for a critique on?
I dont particularly want critiques on my drawing. not that me drawing something for real and posting is was a bad suggestion, but thats not really my thing. i make these cartoons, and i do photography , i havent drawn for serious (other than sketches to pass time on the subway, which i dont consider serious) since i left art school.
MKR,
Again, if it wasnt meant as snarky as i read it, i apologize.
and why is everyone assuming im a guy?
Statistics, the level of humor.
Wait...
Art school?
And if you didn't want an art critique, you posted in the wrong place.
uhm, real quick tho, you don't want a crit on your art, because you don't take the "cartoon" seriously. this begs the question, why did you post this in an art critique forum? not trying to be a dick, i'm honestly curious. you must understand, this is really the source of all the hostility you have seen. heck the reason i posted that backhanded compliment/study anatomy pic was because, based on the comic you posted (and later confirmed through your own posts) it was obvious this wasn't something you were serious about (as far as the art goes)
so once again...
why?
*edit*
wait, im lilch now? can't i be lil', or ching, or ch0ng? LILCH?!
and i never said i didnt take my cartoons seriously, i meant that the actual drawing was not the main concern of mine, and that the actual figures were kinda an afterthought. the cartoons themselves mean alot to me, but appearance of them is not my main focus.
You want critique on the art of your cartoon, not the drawing of your cartoon?
What does that mean? This isn't interpretative dance. Cartoons have two pieces: drawing and writing. There's nothing else to critique.
Rule #1 is pretty clear.
"Lurk more"
I think it's religious jargon.
Or maybe a way of expressing how sickly his lobster gets on wednesdays.
See? Interpretive! That was an artistic sentence there, with the use of "sickly" and "lobster" in coexpressionism! I totally understand the artsyness of this comic now!
In other words, fail.
it's official now.
I'm going to interpret your original post:
Blah Blah Blah Blah I don't care what you say about the drawing I'm going to do whatever i want to do because I'm not really here for any advice on anything I just want more people to tell me I'm funny Blah Blah Blah.
check out the above site because that's why I came here in the first place!
This is a blatent sitewhore that only has only snuck by the rules because you posted a comic. Don't be so defensive about your comic. You've gotten plenty of advice from plenty of people, you should listen to it.
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I didn't. Well, at first I pretty much assume that everyone on the internet is a dude. But as soon as I actually visited your site, I realised you weren't (since you seemed to be portraying yourself with the female character in the most recent strip).
I also don't think that had anything but good intentions when you started this thread, and after visiting the site I kind of see what you're doing, and I actually found it rather amusing.
The main problem here is that the primary purpose of this forum is for people to post artwork for serious, honest and (frequently) rather harsh critiques from other artists and fans of art. Obviously that wasn't what you were looking for, which is fine. Not everyone who draws a comic strip for simple amusement has to be a "serious artist".
As for the humor, like I said, I kind of like it for what it is. I actually chuckled at a few of the strips on there. Obviously not everyone is going to find it amusing, but as long as you enjoy making them, and there are people who enjoy reading them who want you to keep making them...then that's all that really matters.
i didnt come in here for "oh youre so funny" praise....i honestly wanted critiques. but i felt the drawing style was a glaring one that everyone would jump on and i wanted to make sure that wasnt what everyone dwelled on. content. critique that (although i feel like i know the answer at this point).
Then I am wrong and rude once again, my appologies. Just make sure you are more clear on exactly what are looking for. Of course art is going to be the main thing that people crit though. And whatever i say completely ignore because for some reason today, I'm just being a giant dick.
This leaves me confused, still. What exactly do you want critiques on?
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