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Hey me and my friend have been playing around with the concept of comics for a long time so for fun I created a quick website and threw some art on it. The ideas there are formed from just random ideas put together pretty much on the spot. A definite source for most of everything on there would be Dan, the idealist behind it all, Jer who is the artist, an amazing one at that though the comic don’t do justice, and me the computer knowledgeable one out of the bunch, I would like get something of a fan base at least a critbase ware things like the website design, including coding networkign ect. There’s the artist who is now starting to look at this as more then something fun but as something to really show off his talent, and dan who basically writes everything and is very much the optimistic. Our Deviantart would be a prime example of what are backgrounds are like as far as being artistically creative. oh and Iv just decided to become the outliner Dan the colorer and jer still the original artist behind it all.
So do you want critiques on the work you posted here?
Dan needs to work on his colors (they seem very "standard MS Paint palette" kind of colors), and your inking seems pretty scratchy, and not too "harmonious"...there are a lot of places where the inking seems out of place with the rest of the piece. The variation in line thickness doesn't seem to make much sense with the drawing.
Seeing just one piece from Jer, obviously copied from a photo, doesn't really show me much of his skill in depicting a lot...though he clearly can draw what he sees relatively well. What I'm saying is if he's going to be drawing a full comic, and you want critiques, it would be better if he posted more of his work, mostly work that isn't from photographs.
Along that same note, it's kind of frowned upon to sitewhore (unless you want critiques on the webdesign, I suppose) and it's also a good idea to get each artist to post his own work. I'm not sure if this topic will go anywhere because it doesn't really follow the rules 100%, but that's my two cents.
I'd suggest posting more examples of your own work if you want better critiques, and get your friends to post their own. It will also help to get more in-depth critiques for each of you individually.
B]edit[/B I just noticed you posted the same damn thing earlier and it got locked. Did you think that was a mistake? Why are you posting a duplicate topic? Do you think this one won't be locked?
Remove the links, post only your own work (with the idea it will be critiqued), and the topic may survive.
BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
edited November 2007
I can barely understand your writing, and I'm not sure who has done what for these pictures.
Posting an actual comic might help:
Generally, so far everything you've done/posted so far has been horrible. The website is horrible, your writing is horrible, and all the picture in this thread have been horrible, including the comic I just linked above. The picture that Jer drew of the racecar might be okay if it wasn't so obviously traced. Strangely, Jer doesn't seem to have a deviantart.
Really, I don't see the 'idea" part or the 'comic' part of your proposed 'comic idea'. This is, as you mentioned, a random bunch of crap. We're an art critique forum, so we can go through and tell you what's wrong with it and how to improve, but at this stage your stuff is so disorganized I can't really say where to start. Generally this works better if you just post your own work, and not anybody else's.
So let's take just this alien dude piece that you drew and look at that:
The pencil sketches show some decent realistic rendering for the skin texture, but it's lacking the lighting and shadows to make it have a real sense of weight or form. The creature isn't human, but even so the anatomy is still kinda wonky - the skull behind those lips and jaw doesn't seem to make sense.
Once you move away from pencils things go downhill. Your inking is actually showing some variation in line weight, which is good, but your hatching and shading with the pen is haphazard.
Once you start mixing media with computer things get ugly. You should just stop doing this, period. Trying to import textures into a 2D drawing is difficult at the best of times, and here it's clearly not helping you at all. Not only are they noticeable tiled (and very small), they're also out of perspective and completely flat. That they don't blend in with the line work, at all, makes things worse. These aren't the kind of things you can simply 'fake' with photoshop - you have to do them by hand.
Same thing for your colouring and colour choices. I'd just focus on greyscale pencils and black inks for the time being - colouring will only really help you out once you've gotten better at your actual drawings first.
For now I'd say just grab your pencil and sketchbook and try drawing some actual things from life for practise - apples, cars, chairs, and most importantly people. Nothing will improve your drawing faster than sitting a person down and drawing them. Keep posting your stuff here and we'll keep on giving you advice. There are a lot of people here (most of them much better than drawing at me) who can help you improve your skills.
If your friends want critiques tell them to register accounts on the boards and make a thread with their art posted in it.
I find it interesting that even though that car is obviously painstakingly copied from a photo, "Marlboro" is still misspelled. How does that even happen?
Having just checked your site, all i can is that it looks like something you all did for shits and giggles and nothing else. I mean, its one thing to lack initial talent or being new to 'whatever', but what I see is just a clear case of just a lack of effort, and I'll use the fact that the pencil sketch of that alien is 'better' than the final product (which is slapped lazily with so many inapropriate textures i want to cry) and that jer's car piece is questionably ripped from a photograph (if it isn't and if he is that good, than post more of his art and prove my insinuation wrong).
As for the writing...O-M-G! Dan, or whoever your writer is, uses practically zero punctuation other than a period. There are no comma's linking compound sentences, fragments left and right, and just plain poor word usage - and you guys actually have the audacity to charge for later issues of this!?
I'll sum it up with this...collectively, the level of talent is blanketed by lack of effort and laziness.
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I mean, its one thing to lack initial talent or being new to 'whatever', but what I see is just a clear case of just a lack of effort, and I'll use the fact that the pencil sketch of that alien is 'better' than the final product (which is slapped lazily with so many inapropriate textures i want to cry) and that jer's car piece is questionably ripped from a photograph (if it isn't and if he is that good, than post more of his art and prove my insinuation wrong).
The initial alien sketch and the car sketch seem to have been drawn by this "Jer" character. This guy posting them just added the textures. "As an artistic thing", according to the corresponding DeviantArt page. So you can pretty much draw your photo ref/no photo ref high water marks from that, i'd imagine.
Jesus christ, upon further inspection of the linked DeviantArt pages, NEITHER of them belong to Jer, who seems to be the only thing close to an artist among them. Why in the world do you two have DeviantArt pages if you're just going to fill them with snapshots of your friends and photoshop texture overlays of some other guy's artwork?
I'd say the stuff tossed up here is less for crits and more for hits. Yes, all my decisions shall now be in rhyming form.
I find it interesting that even though that car is obviously painstakingly copied from a photo, "Marlboro" is still misspelled. How does that even happen?
It depends on how exactly he copied that photo. If it was traced, grided, or projected than he forgot to trace/grid/project the text and tried to add it in later. If he is just particularly good at analyzing shapes and spacial relationships then the text threw him off because of the years of training and conditioning we all go through to recognize each of those letters as symbols instead of shapes. However I think the second possibility is unlikely. I doubt he is capable at analyzing shapes and spacial relationships to the degree required to copy this photo without some kind of assistance because some of the elipses on the tires are a little shakey, and a draughtsman of that calibre would not make such errors.
Not to say that the drawing is bad, even for a projection or a tracing the edgework is pretty good. The values are pretty rocky though, its hard to tell what the hell is going on in places because of it.
I can't tell exactly, but I think he may have spelled marlboro right on the driver's helmet, although that just makes the misspelled version even more silly.
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Dan needs to work on his colors (they seem very "standard MS Paint palette" kind of colors), and your inking seems pretty scratchy, and not too "harmonious"...there are a lot of places where the inking seems out of place with the rest of the piece. The variation in line thickness doesn't seem to make much sense with the drawing.
Seeing just one piece from Jer, obviously copied from a photo, doesn't really show me much of his skill in depicting a lot...though he clearly can draw what he sees relatively well. What I'm saying is if he's going to be drawing a full comic, and you want critiques, it would be better if he posted more of his work, mostly work that isn't from photographs.
Along that same note, it's kind of frowned upon to sitewhore (unless you want critiques on the webdesign, I suppose) and it's also a good idea to get each artist to post his own work. I'm not sure if this topic will go anywhere because it doesn't really follow the rules 100%, but that's my two cents.
I'd suggest posting more examples of your own work if you want better critiques, and get your friends to post their own. It will also help to get more in-depth critiques for each of you individually.
B]edit[/B I just noticed you posted the same damn thing earlier and it got locked. Did you think that was a mistake? Why are you posting a duplicate topic? Do you think this one won't be locked?
Remove the links, post only your own work (with the idea it will be critiqued), and the topic may survive.
Considering that you just made 3 duplicate threads as your first three posts, I find this statement highly suspect.
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Posting an actual comic might help:
Generally, so far everything you've done/posted so far has been horrible. The website is horrible, your writing is horrible, and all the picture in this thread have been horrible, including the comic I just linked above. The picture that Jer drew of the racecar might be okay if it wasn't so obviously traced. Strangely, Jer doesn't seem to have a deviantart.
Really, I don't see the 'idea" part or the 'comic' part of your proposed 'comic idea'. This is, as you mentioned, a random bunch of crap. We're an art critique forum, so we can go through and tell you what's wrong with it and how to improve, but at this stage your stuff is so disorganized I can't really say where to start. Generally this works better if you just post your own work, and not anybody else's.
So let's take just this alien dude piece that you drew and look at that:
The pencil sketches show some decent realistic rendering for the skin texture, but it's lacking the lighting and shadows to make it have a real sense of weight or form. The creature isn't human, but even so the anatomy is still kinda wonky - the skull behind those lips and jaw doesn't seem to make sense.
Once you move away from pencils things go downhill. Your inking is actually showing some variation in line weight, which is good, but your hatching and shading with the pen is haphazard.
Once you start mixing media with computer things get ugly. You should just stop doing this, period. Trying to import textures into a 2D drawing is difficult at the best of times, and here it's clearly not helping you at all. Not only are they noticeable tiled (and very small), they're also out of perspective and completely flat. That they don't blend in with the line work, at all, makes things worse. These aren't the kind of things you can simply 'fake' with photoshop - you have to do them by hand.
Same thing for your colouring and colour choices. I'd just focus on greyscale pencils and black inks for the time being - colouring will only really help you out once you've gotten better at your actual drawings first.
For now I'd say just grab your pencil and sketchbook and try drawing some actual things from life for practise - apples, cars, chairs, and most importantly people. Nothing will improve your drawing faster than sitting a person down and drawing them. Keep posting your stuff here and we'll keep on giving you advice. There are a lot of people here (most of them much better than drawing at me) who can help you improve your skills.
If your friends want critiques tell them to register accounts on the boards and make a thread with their art posted in it.
"Rainbows, that's pretty, yeah... Put some more colors in that and you got yourself the inside of a spaceship.
Well guys...Our work here is done."
Did he escape on some sort of penis ship?
Edit = Holy hell that pig is a funny bastard.
"I was born; six gun in my hand; behind the gun; I make my final stand"~Bad Company
As for the writing...O-M-G! Dan, or whoever your writer is, uses practically zero punctuation other than a period. There are no comma's linking compound sentences, fragments left and right, and just plain poor word usage - and you guys actually have the audacity to charge for later issues of this!?
I'll sum it up with this...collectively, the level of talent is blanketed by lack of effort and laziness.
"I was born; six gun in my hand; behind the gun; I make my final stand"~Bad Company
The initial alien sketch and the car sketch seem to have been drawn by this "Jer" character. This guy posting them just added the textures. "As an artistic thing", according to the corresponding DeviantArt page. So you can pretty much draw your photo ref/no photo ref high water marks from that, i'd imagine.
Jesus christ, upon further inspection of the linked DeviantArt pages, NEITHER of them belong to Jer, who seems to be the only thing close to an artist among them. Why in the world do you two have DeviantArt pages if you're just going to fill them with snapshots of your friends and photoshop texture overlays of some other guy's artwork?
I'd say the stuff tossed up here is less for crits and more for hits. Yes, all my decisions shall now be in rhyming form.
It depends on how exactly he copied that photo. If it was traced, grided, or projected than he forgot to trace/grid/project the text and tried to add it in later. If he is just particularly good at analyzing shapes and spacial relationships then the text threw him off because of the years of training and conditioning we all go through to recognize each of those letters as symbols instead of shapes. However I think the second possibility is unlikely. I doubt he is capable at analyzing shapes and spacial relationships to the degree required to copy this photo without some kind of assistance because some of the elipses on the tires are a little shakey, and a draughtsman of that calibre would not make such errors.
Not to say that the drawing is bad, even for a projection or a tracing the edgework is pretty good. The values are pretty rocky though, its hard to tell what the hell is going on in places because of it.