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Well today I have to meet with my academic adviser to discuss what major i'll be attempting to pursue in college. This is my second year after an absolutely abysmal first year so the university is keeping tabs on rather i'm going to be punted out the door or not.
Anyway I know that I want to get into law but I have no idea what area. The problem is that i've set myself up for a pre-law minor but I have no idea what major I would be interested in. Realizing that I will most likely need to spend a year or so after I pick up my major working a real job before moving onto Law School I know I need to find a major with a job outlook. I just don't know what to aim for. Getting a major in philosophy and a pre minor in law would make me the most qualified worker at McDonalds.
tl;dr: Is there any 4 year major that would lead to a decent job while I prepare for law school?
You don't need pre-law to get into law school... right?
When are you planning on going to law school? If you are going right after your undergrad, you won't have time to get a decent job that your undergrad major helped you get.
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I have about two years before i'm out of college. I'm a Sophomore at the moment. I know I don't need pre-law but I imagine it would be a helpful minor. Plus i'll have just about all of the course work for it completed in less than a year.
Unfortunately I have no idea what type of law I want to practice. Most people have advised that i'll determine that later. So i'm just going around in circles.
I know that i'm not interested in criminal law. However, the idea of working in a firm is very appealing to me so I guess that would mean business law?
That's very true. Unfortunately I don't think I enjoy any field that doesn't require at least 6 years of study to produce results. I've always leaned toward psychology but there isn't much of a career outlook after obtaining a simple major in that field. I'm beginning to feel like i'm wasting money and this is all very unnerving.
Look at specialized firms' websites and then look and see what the managing partners have degrees in. Business lawyers probably have degrees in management or finance or accounting, environmental lawyers probably have undergrads in economics, ecology, etc...
If you're considering work in patent law, you should get an engineering degree. If you're considering work in environmental law, you should get some sort of environmental sciences degree.
If you're not really considering work in either of those areas, then you should probably be looking at something like Political Science or Philosophy. However, I'm wondering how you know you want to be a lawyer? It sounds like you're not really familiar with what's involved in it, or what lawyers really do. Have you ever done anything like Mock Trial? Talked to any lawyers about getting into law?
A good undergrad for law school would be accounting or a general management degree. These would both give you access to good jobs and be a nice stepping stone for law school in the future.
Poli Sci is the classic undergrad for law, but I don't think it gives you many options for careers by itself.
My "pre-law" degree consisted of a major in English and a double minor in Philosophy and Political Science.
After undergrad, I worked as a legal assistant for a corporate law firm. It's not terribly difficult to obtain a job after undergrad as long as you properly market your skills. At least in my job market, there are plenty of opportunities for those with strong analytical and communication skills.
That's very true. Unfortunately I don't think I enjoy any field that doesn't require at least 6 years of study to produce results. I've always leaned toward psychology but there isn't much of a career outlook after obtaining a simple major in that field. I'm beginning to feel like i'm wasting money and this is all very unnerving.
This is true, but with a masters things improve considerably. I can't imagine grad school would be tougher than law school, so if this is what you actually want to do, why not go for it?
tl;dr: Is there any 4 year major that would lead to a decent job while I prepare for law school?
Probably not. At least not a career-type-job in the field the major's in. You'll still have access to better jobs and pay in general with a degree than without, though. Psych's as good as about any other, and if it interests you it still leaves the option of grad school open. Depending where you live, you can get some reasonably decent jobs with a bachelor's (though not up here, as my wife found out far too late).
I have about two years before i'm out of college. I'm a Sophomore at the moment. I know I don't need pre-law but I imagine it would be a helpful minor. Plus i'll have just about all of the course work for it completed in less than a year.
You've completed two years, one of which was "abysmal," and still haven't selected a major? And want to pursue a minor? Unless you plan on attending full-time in summer, I think two years is a bit optimistic. Just a heads-up, so you don't get blindsided later. Have you looked at any degrees you're interested in, and actually plotted out a semester-by-semester plan to see how long it would take you to fulfill the requirements?
Right. I haven't declared a major but i've taken a number of courses that will count toward most all of the majors here. I actually spoke with my adviser yesterday and if I do a few summer courses I should be completely on track.
I have done some mock trail things (although on the high school level) so I am familiar with the idea of how procedure would work. There was a pretty great thread here about becoming a lawyer and it helped solidify my idea of going toward that career path.
General Management sounds like a good idea but right now my adviser wanted me to look into steering toward the psychology department to question them about what recent majors have done. If not that I will be going somewhere toward business.
Business classes were the most boring fucking thing I've done at college. Make sure you want to learn from any class you go into, not just because it's required by something that sounds like a good idea.
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That's what I have been attempting to do. It has actually been the largest hindrance i've encountered in college. Being forced to take courses full of material that i've learned in high school makes attendance very difficult. I have a hard time with personal discipline when i'm uninterested.
I would suggest getting a degree in biology or some other science. It will teach you analytical skills according to the scientific method, which can be a lot of help to a future lawyer - especially one interested in criminal law or patents.
If you're considering work in patent law, you should get an engineering degree. If you're considering work in environmental law, you should get some sort of environmental sciences degree.
This. One of my classmates is getting her M.S. in Materials Science and Engineering and is eventually going to be a patent lawyer to make ridiculous bank.
And if you find you don't enjoy patent law, almost everyone will hire an engineer for almost any job. It's challenging and really cool, and you could also go the business route for an MBA and still make lots of money.
Business classes were the most boring fucking thing I've done at college. Make sure you want to learn from any class you go into, not just because it's required by something that sounds like a good idea.
Business classes were my favorite classes in college. I loved them.
You mentioned an interest in psychology, you could pursue that. At the moment I'm taking a Pyschology and the Law course, and it's actually really interesting stuff, so Pyschology and law definately do mix.
But like someone mentioned, do something you will enjoy. Law schools will take any majors, one of my friends also had a theatre major and went into law school.
Alright. I think i'll try not to worry about this so much and continue taking general courses until I can determine what type of law I want to get into. Thanks a lot everyone. I feel a little less hopeless.
Business classes were the most boring fucking thing I've done at college. Make sure you want to learn from any class you go into, not just because it's required by something that sounds like a good idea.
Business classes were my favorite classes in college. I loved them.
To each his own, I guess. :P
Blerg. Give me calc, give me an acting class, let me work in the scene shop, anything but Economics.
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Well today I have to meet with my academic adviser to discuss what major i'll be attempting to pursue in college. This is my second year after an absolutely abysmal first year so the university is keeping tabs on rather i'm going to be punted out the door or not.
Anyway I know that I want to get into law but I have no idea what area. The problem is that i've set myself up for a pre-law minor but I have no idea what major I would be interested in. Realizing that I will most likely need to spend a year or so after I pick up my major working a real job before moving onto Law School I know I need to find a major with a job outlook. I just don't know what to aim for. Getting a major in philosophy and a pre minor in law would make me the most qualified worker at McDonalds.
tl;dr: Is there any 4 year major that would lead to a decent job while I prepare for law school?
Dear god I'm posting in H/A. I've seen you in D&D, so you get a free pass.
It took me three years to figure out what I wanted to do. I went from no pref to Accounting to Finance to Economics and (finally) English/Film Studies. A business major of some kind will net you a good job out of the gate (friends of mine with various business degrees are interviewing right now for jobs in June starting at $37,000, one got a job starting at $55,000). You can easily gateway that into law school. Honestly almost any degree can gateway you into law school. English degrees are excellent because apparently lawyers that write well out of the gate are rare and English degrees can help.
Friend of mine just started graduate school at Marquette for philosophy. He had planned on going from undergrad to graduate immediately but, just for shits, he looked for a job anyway. He would have been (like you said) the most qualified worker at McDonalds.
Personally I'm going to be taking a year off after receiving my bachelors in English/Film Studies. I happen to work at a technical job on campus right now and they have told me on more than one occasion they would hire me full time once I graduate. I'll be doing that for a year or so while developing my papers and writing more, paying off THE MAN. Then I'll apply to graduate school and move on.
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When are you planning on going to law school? If you are going right after your undergrad, you won't have time to get a decent job that your undergrad major helped you get.
I know that i'm not interested in criminal law. However, the idea of working in a firm is very appealing to me so I guess that would mean business law?
If you're not really considering work in either of those areas, then you should probably be looking at something like Political Science or Philosophy. However, I'm wondering how you know you want to be a lawyer? It sounds like you're not really familiar with what's involved in it, or what lawyers really do. Have you ever done anything like Mock Trial? Talked to any lawyers about getting into law?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy%2C_Politics%2C_and_Economics
Harvard calls it social studies from the first sentence I read.
PPE sounds exactly what the OP wants to do. It's a perfect pre-law course.
Poli Sci is the classic undergrad for law, but I don't think it gives you many options for careers by itself.
After undergrad, I worked as a legal assistant for a corporate law firm. It's not terribly difficult to obtain a job after undergrad as long as you properly market your skills. At least in my job market, there are plenty of opportunities for those with strong analytical and communication skills.
I have done some mock trail things (although on the high school level) so I am familiar with the idea of how procedure would work. There was a pretty great thread here about becoming a lawyer and it helped solidify my idea of going toward that career path.
General Management sounds like a good idea but right now my adviser wanted me to look into steering toward the psychology department to question them about what recent majors have done. If not that I will be going somewhere toward business.
There's no PPE.
This. One of my classmates is getting her M.S. in Materials Science and Engineering and is eventually going to be a patent lawyer to make ridiculous bank.
And if you find you don't enjoy patent law, almost everyone will hire an engineer for almost any job. It's challenging and really cool, and you could also go the business route for an MBA and still make lots of money.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
To each his own, I guess. :P
But like someone mentioned, do something you will enjoy. Law schools will take any majors, one of my friends also had a theatre major and went into law school.
Blerg. Give me calc, give me an acting class, let me work in the scene shop, anything but Economics.
It took me three years to figure out what I wanted to do. I went from no pref to Accounting to Finance to Economics and (finally) English/Film Studies. A business major of some kind will net you a good job out of the gate (friends of mine with various business degrees are interviewing right now for jobs in June starting at $37,000, one got a job starting at $55,000). You can easily gateway that into law school. Honestly almost any degree can gateway you into law school. English degrees are excellent because apparently lawyers that write well out of the gate are rare and English degrees can help.
Friend of mine just started graduate school at Marquette for philosophy. He had planned on going from undergrad to graduate immediately but, just for shits, he looked for a job anyway. He would have been (like you said) the most qualified worker at McDonalds.
Personally I'm going to be taking a year off after receiving my bachelors in English/Film Studies. I happen to work at a technical job on campus right now and they have told me on more than one occasion they would hire me full time once I graduate. I'll be doing that for a year or so while developing my papers and writing more, paying off THE MAN. Then I'll apply to graduate school and move on.