I think Mario Galaxy is trash. It would only take me an hour to collect 100 stars if the developers didn't pad the game with all these unnecessary enemies, obstacles, and black holes.
Let me put it this way Game X is 20 hours long with superfluous "obstacles."
Or Game X is 40 minutes long with superfluous "obstacles" replaces with a straight, unobstructed path to the goal.
Which is funny, because I was actually defending Heavenly Sword against the judgment that it was "trash". Oh well. Reminds me of the same "rational" gents that jumped Cardboard Tube's shit for saying he didn't like Dead Rising's broken save system (which also artificially lengthens the game).
"Lol, idiot. That's part of the gameplay."
If you don't like "obstacles", then yeah, that would be a somewhat valid point.
But then one would have to ask, "why are you playing games?"
Again, fight the urge to be stupid.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product. Glad I'm not surprised to see the ladies get their granny panties in a knot.
If you don't like "obstacles", then yeah, that would be a somewhat valid point.
But then one would have to ask, "why are you playing games?"
Again, fight the urge to be stupid.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product. Glad I'm not surprised to see the ladies get their granny panties in a knot.
I won't respond to your trolls anymore.
This has nothing to do with you not liking a Sony product. As I said, you have every right not to like the gameplay of the game. It's perfectly reasonable, and I don't really care. Quit being a martyr. However, I don't think you can say it just artificially lengthens the game. There's a difference between not liking an element and saying it's just there to make the game longer. There's a big difference.
It's not superfluous or excessive at all. You barely even have to use it. You can just tap the button if you feel like it. It's a design decision that was put in for fun. It is fun for a lot of people, and that's why they put it in. It had nothing to do with making the game longer.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product. Glad I'm not surprised to see the ladies get their granny panties in a knot.
Now your are just being dramatic. People are giving you a hard time because you criticized a valid and fun-for-most game mechanic as added on fluff to pad length. Don't even try to turn this into a fanboy related argument with your Sony comment because it isn't one.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
If you don't like "obstacles", then yeah, that would be a somewhat valid point.
But then one would have to ask, "why are you playing games?"
Again, fight the urge to be stupid.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product. Glad I'm not surprised to see the ladies get their granny panties in a knot.
I won't respond to your trolls anymore.
This has nothing to do with you not liking a Sony product. As I said, you have every right not to like the gameplay of the game. It's perfectly reasonable, and I don't really care. Quit being a martyr. However, I don't think you can say it just artificially lengthens the game. There's a difference between not liking an element and saying it's just there to make the game longer. There's a big difference.
It's not superfluous or excessive at all. You barely even have to use it. You can just tap the button if you feel like it. It's a design decision that was put in for fun. It is fun for a lot of people, and that's why they put it in. It had nothing to do with making the game longer.
This pretty much sums it up. Can we talk more about HD Dreamcast games now?
Now your are just being dramatic. People are giving you a hard time because you criticized a valid and fun-for-most game mechanic as added on fluff to pad length. Don't even try to turn this into a fanboy related argument with your Sony comment because it isn't one.
I said what I said without any negative connotations. I made the initial post defending Heavenly Sword from the label of "trash". So I can only conclude that the draft back was due to something else. I mean, why go, "Jerk, you aren't defending the game correctly." I don't get it, so excuse me for assuming.
This has nothing to do with you not liking a Sony product. As I said, you have every right not to like the gameplay of the game. It's perfectly reasonable, and I don't really care.
Good. I'm hoping to avoid name calling.
However, I don't think you can say it just artificially lengthens the game. There's a difference between not liking an element and saying it's just there to make the game longer. There's a big difference.
Let's put it this way.
I can think of several different ways that Heavenly Sword could have pulled that off, and could have done it better. It's made worse by the fact they chose a gameplay mechanic that really only works so well.
If the developers chose any option other than bullet time, the game would have been shorter. Can we agree on this? I think we can.
I think this is "artificially lengthening" the game. Particularly, because I think bullet time was a bad idea, and even may have been implemented specifically to extend sections of gameplay.
I'm not trying to insinuate that the developers meant to do this in a negative sense of the word, just that they knew what they were doing.
It's not superfluous or excessive at all. You barely even have to use it. You can just tap the button if you feel like it. It's a design decision that was put in for fun. It is fun for a lot of people, and that's why they put it in.
This is never the impression I got. Granted, I only had two or three hours of time with the game, and often times I was being coached and was constantly suggested, "Alright, now slow it down, ricochet this off of this" by the games owner.
Compounded with the same opinion has been presented in a few reviews (and one video review), and I think we can come to a conclusion as to why I feel the way I do.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product. Glad I'm not surprised to see the ladies get their granny panties in a knot.
I won't respond to your trolls anymore.
I haven't even played Heavenly Sword, and I don't think it's a big deal that you don't like it. I just think your point that bullet time artificially pads game time is weak (since its also been pointed out that the bullet time doesn't even need to be used if you don't want to). You are actively in control during bullet time, and actively in control of when you go into bullet time. You can say that you don't like that gameplay mechanic, because an opinion can't be wrong. But to say that it artificially pads the game time is actually false.
The Dead Rising save system? Not familiar with it, but I do know that some games' save do in fact pad the game by forcing you to replay long sections of the game (like DMC3 regular edition).
After checking out Rez HD, I have come to the conclusion that Sega & Capcom need to port more Dreamcast games over to XBLA and PSN and make 'em HD. I would kill a dozen adorable kittens for Power Stone 2, Cannon Spike, Chu Chu Rocket, and Jet Set Radio, all running at 1080p.
I will sign your petition.
Yeah same. Especially Chu Chu Rocket and Power Stone (I prefer the first one, but man, the 4 player of 2 is so crazy).
God Powerstone HD gives me such a boner. I recently picked up the collection on PSP and while it is fun it just isn't the same playing it on such a tiny screen. On a 32" widescreen oh god, oh god.
I've been considering trading in my PSP for the new slim PSPs that can display to TVs.
can anyone comment on how they look?
Oh, and Corin - pick up a VGA adaptor for the dreamcast. Powerstone in 640 x 480 looks stunning.
The Dead Rising save system? Not familiar with it, but I do know that some games' save do in fact pad the game by forcing you to replay long sections of the game (like DMC3 regular edition).
Right.
But I think the argument that, "that's still gameplay", could be made in favor of that horrible horrible game mechanic.
We're off topic, though. Please see my post above for some info.
I can think of several different ways that Heavenly Sword could have pulled that off, and could have done it better. It's made worse by the fact they chose a gameplay mechanic that really only works so well.
If the developers chose any option other than bullet time, the game would have been shorter. Can we agree on this? I think we can.
We covered this already though. You can do that with anything. Remove jumping from mario and boom its quicker. Like it or not the bullet time is the game. You don't have to enjoy it but it is not like the devs were sitting around trying to figure out how to turn their 4 hour game into an 8 hour game and this is the best they could come up with. By your rationale we may as well argue they take out the non bullet time parts as those are making the game longer as well.
edit - Also the gameplay mechanic works well. It is a bit frustrating to get the hang of in the beginning because it requires subtle movements. But there is a lot of depth to it and by the end when you are owning fools all over the place with Kai it is crazy rewarding. Like laughing out loud awesome.
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I am probably going to "switch camps" really soon. I feel i have good reasons.
i rarely use Live, my 360 has broken once for the last 3 games i bought for it (Mass Effect, Halo 3, GRAW 2) And the hddvd or dvd part of the 360 has never worked for me, and they want to charge me to fix it.
Now i have the $$$ for the PS3, which is nice, but i waisted at least 250 or something like that on paying for live entire months that i didn't even log on.
Really for me, its my PC that is multiplayer... tfc2 ... and i get netflix so i dont really rent anything on live. Really the only thing i regret is all the fun arcade live games that i play once and a blue moon.
But what really sold me was about a week ago, i went over to a friends house and played COD4 on the ps3, sure it was pretty and all but i expected the controller to suck for FPS games like the PS2 did, but it didnt... so i was sold right there. THEN we watched planet earth blue ray, and i was even more sold.
TLDR: i dont like paying for live because i never use it, 360 has broken for me too often, it dosnt play even regular dvds for me, i thought ps3 would suck for fps games but i was proven wrong a week ago.
After checking out Rez HD, I have come to the conclusion that Sega & Capcom need to port more Dreamcast games over to XBLA and PSN and make 'em HD. I would kill a dozen adorable kittens for Power Stone 2, Cannon Spike, Chu Chu Rocket, and Jet Set Radio, all running at 1080p.
I will sign your petition.
Yeah same. Especially Chu Chu Rocket and Power Stone (I prefer the first one, but man, the 4 player of 2 is so crazy).
God Powerstone HD gives me such a boner. I recently picked up the collection on PSP and while it is fun it just isn't the same playing it on such a tiny screen. On a 32" widescreen oh god, oh god.
I've been considering trading in my PSP for the new slim PSPs that can display to TVs.
can anyone comment on how they look?
Oh, and Corin - pick up a VGA adaptor for the dreamcast. Powerstone in 640 x 480 looks stunning.
From what I have seen it looks fine, but does not nearly fill the screen. So a PSP on a 32" TV is not going to be near 32".
After checking out Rez HD, I have come to the conclusion that Sega & Capcom need to port more Dreamcast games over to XBLA and PSN and make 'em HD. I would kill a dozen adorable kittens for Power Stone 2, Cannon Spike, Chu Chu Rocket, and Jet Set Radio, all running at 1080p.
I will sign your petition.
Yeah same. Especially Chu Chu Rocket and Power Stone (I prefer the first one, but man, the 4 player of 2 is so crazy).
God Powerstone HD gives me such a boner. I recently picked up the collection on PSP and while it is fun it just isn't the same playing it on such a tiny screen. On a 32" widescreen oh god, oh god.
I've been considering trading in my PSP for the new slim PSPs that can display to TVs.
can anyone comment on how they look?
Oh, and Corin - pick up a VGA adaptor for the dreamcast. Powerstone in 640 x 480 looks stunning.
From what I have seen it looks fine, but does not nearly fill the screen. So a PSP on a 32" TV is not going to be near 32".
Oh I don't need the PSP to fill the screen for 32" powerstone. I got my dreamcast right here for that, along with it's VGA adaptor.
His talking about the PSP having a tiny screen just reminded me that I want a slim PSP.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
If the developers chose any option other than bullet time, the game would have been shorter. Can we agree on this? I think we can.
Uh, ... if we agreed on this, this conversation wouldn't have happed.
I haven't played the sections in question in Heavenly Sword, so I can't make specific comments. But I do know that just because perception of time is slowed, it doesn't mean that the game takes longer. There are some instances where bullet time helps you get through a game quicker (ie: it allows me the time to line up a perfect headshot in a TPS, without taking a dozen shots in the process, rather than spending more time firing multiple rounds to other parts of his body).
If the developers chose any option other than bullet time, the game would have been shorter. Can we agree on this? I think we can.
Uh, ... if we agreed on this, this conversation wouldn't have happed.
I haven't played the sections in question in Heavenly Sword, so I can't make specific comments. But I do know that just because perception of time is slowed, it doesn't mean that the game takes longer. There are some instances where bullet time helps you get through a game quicker (ie: it allows me the time to line up a perfect headshot in a TPS, without taking a dozen shots in the process, rather than spending more time firing multiple rounds to other parts of his body).
Don't bother.
I mean hes actually ripping apart a game for having a game mechanic now. You can't get more non-sensical than that.
My Netflix Queue: (guess which movie my wife put on there)
You should have just said your wife put all of them there. I'm sure everyone in the forum can find at least one movie to hate on that list, and therefore, think less of you.
I mean hes actually ripping apart a game for having a game mechanic now. You can't get more non-sensical than that.
A game mechanic I don't like if it's not implemented well.
Damn that Sleep for wishing Perfect Dark Zero would allow you to jump. Damn him for not liking the GTA parts of No More Heroes. Damn him for not being excited about changing clothes in Final Fantasy X2. THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
My Netflix Queue: (guess which movie my wife put on there)
You should have just said your wife put all of them there. I'm sure everyone in the forum can find at least one movie to hate on that list, and therefore, think less of you.
I can take or leave Harry Potter the rest are all pretty good. But I am going with the English Patient as it is not Blu-Ray. I actually hit our Queue recently had to hit the upgrade everything to Blu and hd-dvd because the wife just doesn't care.
I made the switch when my 360 bit it. It's been fine so far- the only game that was a little shifty in performance was Assassin's Creed. Aside from the 360's horrible ventilation, my problem was that every other game they produced was FPS. Replacing batteries to play something wireless ~3 feet from the console also felt stupid.
The PS3 is okay, but I have to side with RainbowDespair. Neither system has hit its peak (I don't think), and the $200 would go a lot farther down the road.
After checking out Rez HD, I have come to the conclusion that Sega & Capcom need to port more Dreamcast games over to XBLA and PSN and make 'em HD. I would kill a dozen adorable kittens for Power Stone 2, Cannon Spike, Chu Chu Rocket, and Jet Set Radio, all running at 1080p.
I will sign your petition.
Yeah same. Especially Chu Chu Rocket and Power Stone (I prefer the first one, but man, the 4 player of 2 is so crazy).
God Powerstone HD gives me such a boner. I recently picked up the collection on PSP and while it is fun it just isn't the same playing it on such a tiny screen. On a 32" widescreen oh god, oh god.
I've been considering trading in my PSP for the new slim PSPs that can display to TVs.
can anyone comment on how they look?
Oh, and Corin - pick up a VGA adaptor for the dreamcast. Powerstone in 640 x 480 looks stunning.
From what I have seen it looks fine, but does not nearly fill the screen. So a PSP on a 32" TV is not going to be near 32".
Oh I don't need the PSP to fill the screen for 32" powerstone. I got my dreamcast right here for that, along with it's VGA adaptor.
His talking about the PSP having a tiny screen just reminded me that I want a slim PSP.
It looks decent, but you need a free component jack at least. It will look squished on a non widescreen display and I'm pretty sure it has a border around it no matter what. Also looked really dim on the display I tested it on. Acceptable though but really not a feature that should sway someone one way or the other.
Actually now I can't remember if it had a border or not. I tested it about two weeks after the launch of the slim and I can't remember! I think it does though. I would test it right now but I was borrowing the cable from a friend.
I made the switch when my 360 bit it. It's been fine so far- the only game that was a little shifty in performance was Assassin's Creed. Aside from the 360's horrible ventilation, my problem was that every other game they produced was FPS. Replacing batteries to play something wireless ~3 feet from the console also felt stupid.
The PS3 is okay, but I have to side with RainbowDespair. Neither system has hit its peak (I don't think), and the $200 would go a lot farther down the road.
I experienced only one technical issue with Assassins Creed on PS3 but it was substantial. Towards the end, the very end where there is a large gathering. Jesus, the slowdown, I mean literally 5 frames a second. Took me ages to move anywhere.
I made the switch when my 360 bit it. It's been fine so far- the only game that was a little shifty in performance was Assassin's Creed. Aside from the 360's horrible ventilation, my problem was that every other game they produced was FPS. Replacing batteries to play something wireless ~3 feet from the console also felt stupid.
The PS3 is okay, but I have to side with RainbowDespair. Neither system has hit its peak (I don't think), and the $200 would go a lot farther down the road.
I experienced only one technical issue with Assassins Creed on PS3 but it was substantial. Towards the end, the very end where there is a large gathering. Jesus, the slowdown, I mean literally 5 frames a second. Took me ages to move anywhere.
On my 360 copy, Altair fell through the ground into an alternate dimension with its own Altair. Both Altairs went on together until they both fell off the universe again. This happened several times until the Altair brothers eventually made it to the final boss fight.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product.
Funny you bring this up. A couple of years ago didn't you specifically go into the Official PSP thread (back when we were allowed to have them) and go on a big rant about how the PSP sucks? I'm pretty sure that was you. You may've even said the PS2 and Sony suck as well but my memory is pretty foggy about that part.
KVW: Instead of jumping into an antagonistic rant about how "shitty" the PS3 library is and how it doesn't have any system sellers, maybe you should read what I was replying to. I wasn't saying all those games were system sellers, just that they were good.
I find it funny that you still remember that situation Unco-ordinated.
I did my taxes today: $1450! Woot! + $300 (or $600) from the government rebate = happy spending urahonky. Still trying to decide if I should just pick up a PS3, or just hold out until the next model comes out... Which is inevitable. Hell, I might be able to find a cheap 60GB when they announce/release the 120's or whatever they decide to do.
Kinda sucks that this generation is a "Own all 3 or else you miss out on some good shit" one. Last gen I was okay with owning a good PC, GCN, and PS2. I played nearly all the games that I wanted to. But this gen I won't be able to do that. (I currently have a good PC, Wii, and 360).
Sigh... Sorry for that little rant. (Sleep, I semi-agree with your points on the lengthening of games nowadays)
I find it funny that you still remember that situation Unco-ordinated.
Tell me about it. Crap like that I'll remember, as well as useless game knowledge, and yet I'm horrible at remembering people's names.
As for the PS3, I'd say the best idea would be trying to find a 60GB. If they bring out a new SKU I doubt they'll add anything the 60GB or 80GB lacked, other than a larger HDD and maybe a packed-in Dual Shock 3. Both are easily remedied, the former by just buying a new HDD (SATA 2.5") and the latter by just buying it seperately.
My point was that I just don't see any strong positive that the PS3 has over the 360 in the context of this thread. It's one thing if we're arguing which system someone should go to from a previous generation console or none at all, but this thread is about someone who supplanted his 360 hardware and software for PS3 "equivalents."
I just don't understand the logic behind that, due to the similarity of some games on both platforms and the significantly larger number of multiplats that are superior on the 360. On top of that, the 360 just has, pound for pound, more AAA titles and a wider variety of genres represented on the platform now.
And right now, Live is the better console-based online network for games. It has a larger, more active community. It is more fully featured. It has more content available to users. The only argument that is made that has even a hint of validity is the fact that you pay roughly $4.80 per month (less if you get the card with one extra month for free). Considering what you get, it just seems like grasping at straws and it's something that fanboys do.
Fanboy is a shitty word, but they do exist and some of them are paid plants on forums like these. That's just an absolute fact.
Back to the root of the discussion, I wouldn't take nearly as much issue with a thread like this if it were about someone jumping ship from the 360 to the Wii, because they are such different animals.
The 360 and PS3 are so similar that, depending on your perspective, you could say that the 360 is better at being a PS3 than a PS3 is if that's what you're looking for (unless the exclusives are an overruling factor) and the PS3 is not nearly as good at being a 360 as an actual 360.
It sounds fucking weird. I'm not sure if I even articulated that properly, but these two consoles are so glaringly similar and have so much overlap across the board that threads like this really baffle me. It's sort of like the Democratic race going on right now. The two of them are very similar, with slight differences here and there, but one is clearly stronger than the other, despite those similarities.
My point was that I just don't see any strong positive that the PS3 has over the 360 in the context of this thread. It's one thing if we're arguing which system someone should go to from a previous generation console or none at all, but this thread is about someone who supplanted his 360 hardware and software for PS3 "equivalents."
I just don't understand the logic behind that, due to the similarity of some games on both platforms and the significantly larger number of multiplats that are superior on the 360. On top of that, the 360 just has, pound for pound, more AAA titles and a wider variety of genres represented on the platform now.
And right now, Live is the better console-based online network for games. It has a larger, more active community. It is more fully featured. It has more content available to users. The only argument that is made that has even a hint of validity is the fact that you pay roughly $4.80 per month (less if you get the card with one extra month for free). Considering what you get, it just seems like grasping at straws and it's something that fanboys do.
Fanboy is a shitty word, but they do exist and some of them are paid plants on forums like these. That's just an absolute fact.
Back to the root of the discussion, I wouldn't take nearly as much issue with a thread like this if it were about someone jumping ship from the 360 to the Wii, because they are such different animals.
The 360 and PS3 are so similar that, depending on your perspective, you could say that the 360 is better at being a PS3 than a PS3 is if that's what you're looking for (unless the exclusives are an overruling factor) and the PS3 is not nearly as good at being a 360 as an actual 360.
It sounds fucking weird. I'm not sure if I even articulated that properly, but these two consoles are so glaringly similar and have so much overlap across the board that threads like this really baffle me. It's sort of like the Democratic race going on right now. The two of them are very similar, with slight differences here and there, but one is clearly stronger than the other, despite those similarities.
You may've even said the PS2 and Sony suck as well but my memory is pretty foggy about that part.
Probably. I've had to replace two PS2s, and I have a long personal history with the company. Family owns a furniture and appliance company Sony were a hassle to deal with working for my dad as a teen, and Vaio's were among some of the most unreliable pieces of hardware when they first came out and when I was doing IT work in college. I hear they're doing better in all three regards though. (Corporate service, PC/Appliance quality)
In effect, you'll be hard pressed to hear me say something positive about them.
Funny you bring this up. A couple of years ago didn't you specifically go into the Official PSP thread (back when we were allowed to have them) and go on a big rant about how the PSP sucks? I'm pretty sure that was you. You may've even said the PS2 and Sony suck as well but my memory is pretty foggy about that part.
Probably. A couple of years ago the PSP didn't have much to be excited about. Now, though, I have access to one, Jean D'Arc, Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea to play plus all of those UMD movies are in sub bargain bin price ranges. Five for ten dollars. The system had a price cut as well.
I can use a PSP Slim with an old style PSP battery and extend the battery life on it by a couple of hours.
I have a bit of freedom with the machine, games are relatively cheap, and it's now fairly versatile. Still don't like it as much as I did the PSX, but then again, the PSX had an awesome version of Civilization 2 on it. Can't beat that.
I own all three consoles so I feel I can comment here really.
I recently completed R&C and thought it was equally as good, if not better than Mario Galaxy. I know that may get me forcibly ejected from this forum by some of the Nintendo fans but it was a superb game.
I've also completed Heavenly Sword and, albeit short, it was superb. Clearly you either haven't played it, or haven't completed the first stage and got the heavenly sword.
Motorstorm may not be a must have title, but it is a superb and fun game.
Rez may be great and all, but why not just pop the PS2 copy in to the PS3?
I didnt' have a problem with your post, actually thought it was really good at making your point, without trying to play up the PS3, until here.
You forget that the best selling PS3 model right now has no BC at all. So ya, there will be lots of people who can do that, but also just as many that cant.
Without playing up the PS3, consider this:
Rez isn't available to all PS3 users? Well, Rez isn't available to all 360 owners. I believe just over half have connected their 360's to Live (60% at a quick check), that means that just under half either don't have internet access, don't know how to set their 360 up to it or simply don't care.
In addition to this, core users without a memory card will be unable to play. At 120mb too, if you only have the one memory card it doesn't leave you much space for anything else (without constant deletion and re-downloading).
I would wager that, proportion wise (not physical numbers), it's perhaps equal between PS3 owners with backwards compatibility and 360 owners with internet access/non-core packs.
Multiple SKU's are an utter bitch this generation.
I own all three consoles so I feel I can comment here really.
I recently completed R&C and thought it was equally as good, if not better than Mario Galaxy. I know that may get me forcibly ejected from this forum by some of the Nintendo fans but it was a superb game.
I've also completed Heavenly Sword and, albeit short, it was superb. Clearly you either haven't played it, or haven't completed the first stage and got the heavenly sword.
Motorstorm may not be a must have title, but it is a superb and fun game.
Rez may be great and all, but why not just pop the PS2 copy in to the PS3?
I didnt' have a problem with your post, actually thought it was really good at making your point, without trying to play up the PS3, until here.
You forget that the best selling PS3 model right now has no BC at all. So ya, there will be lots of people who can do that, but also just as many that cant.
Without playing up the PS3, consider this:
Rez isn't available to all PS3 users? Well, Rez isn't available to all 360 owners. I believe just over half have connected their 360's to Live (60% at a quick check), that means that just under half either don't have internet access, don't know how to set their 360 up to it or simply don't care.
In addition to this, core users without a memory card will be unable to play. At 120mb too, if you only have the one memory card it doesn't leave you much space for anything else (without constant deletion and re-downloading).
I would wager that, proportion wise (not physical numbers), it's perhaps equal between PS3 owners with backwards compatibility and 360 owners with internet access/non-core packs.
Multiple SKU's are an utter bitch this generation.
I'm sorry, this is a wild tangent but I have to respond: This argument really doesn't hold weight, as 360 memory cards and ethernet cables are infinitely easier to find than a usable PS2 copy of Rez. Plus, you can't just go out and buy a "backwards compatibility cord" for the PS3. If a user decides he or she wants to buy the game, it's readily available on the 360 (and will never run out of stock) but limited by the chance of finding the game on the PS3 side.
I agree that multiple models have really boned both the 360 and PS3, but the widespread availability of digital distribution is most assuredly a factor in deciding what console a person wants to buy. Whoever said that XBLA and PSN titles shouldn't be weighed into the equation is terribly mistaken, since a shit-ton of money has changed hands over such digital distribution -- to say nothing of the Wii's nostalgic allure of the VC.
My point was that I just don't see any strong positive that the PS3 has over the 360 in the context of this thread. It's one thing if we're arguing which system someone should go to from a previous generation console or none at all, but this thread is about someone who supplanted his 360 hardware and software for PS3 "equivalents."
In the context of this thread it's blatantly obvious that a PS3 would be a better choice for the OP, since he's already said he doesn't use Live (one of the 360's biggest strengths) and doesn't really care for the games and franchises that are out now or on the horizon that he knows of (another of the 360's biggest strengths).
I personally agree with your base argument -- that the 360 and PS3 libraries are really quite similar in terms of game genres and playstyle -- but that's all YMMV. If you're a diehard Final Fantasy devotee, nothing that's not Final Fantasy isn't going to placate you, even if it's called Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon. Games like Ninja Gaiden, DMC and God of War all exist in the same loose genre but they still have very distinct identities and it's completely logical for someone to like one but not the others.
I own all three consoles so I feel I can comment here really.
I recently completed R&C and thought it was equally as good, if not better than Mario Galaxy. I know that may get me forcibly ejected from this forum by some of the Nintendo fans but it was a superb game.
I've also completed Heavenly Sword and, albeit short, it was superb. Clearly you either haven't played it, or haven't completed the first stage and got the heavenly sword.
Motorstorm may not be a must have title, but it is a superb and fun game.
Rez may be great and all, but why not just pop the PS2 copy in to the PS3?
I didnt' have a problem with your post, actually thought it was really good at making your point, without trying to play up the PS3, until here.
You forget that the best selling PS3 model right now has no BC at all. So ya, there will be lots of people who can do that, but also just as many that cant.
Without playing up the PS3, consider this:
Rez isn't available to all PS3 users? Well, Rez isn't available to all 360 owners. I believe just over half have connected their 360's to Live (60% at a quick check), that means that just under half either don't have internet access, don't know how to set their 360 up to it or simply don't care.
In addition to this, core users without a memory card will be unable to play. At 120mb too, if you only have the one memory card it doesn't leave you much space for anything else (without constant deletion and re-downloading).
I would wager that, proportion wise (not physical numbers), it's perhaps equal between PS3 owners with backwards compatibility and 360 owners with internet access/non-core packs.
Multiple SKU's are an utter bitch this generation.
I don't like saying it, but I think it's high time Microsoft stops limiting games based on hardware. Your game can't run on a non HD Xbox? Sorry. This game needs the space.
Most of the limitations come from available storage space anyway. If you don't already have a hard drive, isn't a good sign that you're less likely to play these games as well?
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Let me put it this way Game X is 20 hours long with superfluous "obstacles."
Or Game X is 40 minutes long with superfluous "obstacles" replaces with a straight, unobstructed path to the goal.
Which is funny, because I was actually defending Heavenly Sword against the judgment that it was "trash". Oh well. Reminds me of the same "rational" gents that jumped Cardboard Tube's shit for saying he didn't like Dead Rising's broken save system (which also artificially lengthens the game).
"Lol, idiot. That's part of the gameplay."
If you don't like "obstacles", then yeah, that would be a somewhat valid point.
But then one would have to ask, "why are you playing games?"
Again, fight the urge to be stupid.
Again again, I've made the mistake of not liking a Sony related product. Glad I'm not surprised to see the ladies get their granny panties in a knot.
I won't respond to your trolls anymore.
This has nothing to do with you not liking a Sony product. As I said, you have every right not to like the gameplay of the game. It's perfectly reasonable, and I don't really care. Quit being a martyr. However, I don't think you can say it just artificially lengthens the game. There's a difference between not liking an element and saying it's just there to make the game longer. There's a big difference.
It's not superfluous or excessive at all. You barely even have to use it. You can just tap the button if you feel like it. It's a design decision that was put in for fun. It is fun for a lot of people, and that's why they put it in. It had nothing to do with making the game longer.
Now your are just being dramatic. People are giving you a hard time because you criticized a valid and fun-for-most game mechanic as added on fluff to pad length. Don't even try to turn this into a fanboy related argument with your Sony comment because it isn't one.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
This pretty much sums it up. Can we talk more about HD Dreamcast games now?
I said what I said without any negative connotations. I made the initial post defending Heavenly Sword from the label of "trash". So I can only conclude that the draft back was due to something else. I mean, why go, "Jerk, you aren't defending the game correctly." I don't get it, so excuse me for assuming.
Good. I'm hoping to avoid name calling.
Let's put it this way.
I can think of several different ways that Heavenly Sword could have pulled that off, and could have done it better. It's made worse by the fact they chose a gameplay mechanic that really only works so well.
If the developers chose any option other than bullet time, the game would have been shorter. Can we agree on this? I think we can.
I think this is "artificially lengthening" the game. Particularly, because I think bullet time was a bad idea, and even may have been implemented specifically to extend sections of gameplay.
I'm not trying to insinuate that the developers meant to do this in a negative sense of the word, just that they knew what they were doing.
This is never the impression I got. Granted, I only had two or three hours of time with the game, and often times I was being coached and was constantly suggested, "Alright, now slow it down, ricochet this off of this" by the games owner.
Compounded with the same opinion has been presented in a few reviews (and one video review), and I think we can come to a conclusion as to why I feel the way I do.
I haven't even played Heavenly Sword, and I don't think it's a big deal that you don't like it. I just think your point that bullet time artificially pads game time is weak (since its also been pointed out that the bullet time doesn't even need to be used if you don't want to). You are actively in control during bullet time, and actively in control of when you go into bullet time. You can say that you don't like that gameplay mechanic, because an opinion can't be wrong. But to say that it artificially pads the game time is actually false.
The Dead Rising save system? Not familiar with it, but I do know that some games' save do in fact pad the game by forcing you to replay long sections of the game (like DMC3 regular edition).
I've been considering trading in my PSP for the new slim PSPs that can display to TVs.
can anyone comment on how they look?
Oh, and Corin - pick up a VGA adaptor for the dreamcast. Powerstone in 640 x 480 looks stunning.
Right.
But I think the argument that, "that's still gameplay", could be made in favor of that horrible horrible game mechanic.
We're off topic, though. Please see my post above for some info.
We covered this already though. You can do that with anything. Remove jumping from mario and boom its quicker. Like it or not the bullet time is the game. You don't have to enjoy it but it is not like the devs were sitting around trying to figure out how to turn their 4 hour game into an 8 hour game and this is the best they could come up with. By your rationale we may as well argue they take out the non bullet time parts as those are making the game longer as well.
edit - Also the gameplay mechanic works well. It is a bit frustrating to get the hang of in the beginning because it requires subtle movements. But there is a lot of depth to it and by the end when you are owning fools all over the place with Kai it is crazy rewarding. Like laughing out loud awesome.
i rarely use Live, my 360 has broken once for the last 3 games i bought for it (Mass Effect, Halo 3, GRAW 2) And the hddvd or dvd part of the 360 has never worked for me, and they want to charge me to fix it.
Now i have the $$$ for the PS3, which is nice, but i waisted at least 250 or something like that on paying for live entire months that i didn't even log on.
Really for me, its my PC that is multiplayer... tfc2
But what really sold me was about a week ago, i went over to a friends house and played COD4 on the ps3, sure it was pretty and all but i expected the controller to suck for FPS games like the PS2 did, but it didnt... so i was sold right there. THEN we watched planet earth blue ray, and i was even more sold.
TLDR: i dont like paying for live because i never use it, 360 has broken for me too often, it dosnt play even regular dvds for me, i thought ps3 would suck for fps games but i was proven wrong a week ago.
edit: nm fanboy argument lol lol steam steam
From what I have seen it looks fine, but does not nearly fill the screen. So a PSP on a 32" TV is not going to be near 32".
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Oh I don't need the PSP to fill the screen for 32" powerstone. I got my dreamcast right here for that, along with it's VGA adaptor.
His talking about the PSP having a tiny screen just reminded me that I want a slim PSP.
Yeah I've heard that video will take up the entire screen, but games don't. (I guess it upscales movies?) I'm thinking of getting the cable as well.
And yeah netflix is awesome for blu-rays. However there is a wait for some of the more popular movies.
My Netflix Queue: (guess which movie my wife put on there)
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
Uh, ... if we agreed on this, this conversation wouldn't have happed.
I haven't played the sections in question in Heavenly Sword, so I can't make specific comments. But I do know that just because perception of time is slowed, it doesn't mean that the game takes longer. There are some instances where bullet time helps you get through a game quicker (ie: it allows me the time to line up a perfect headshot in a TPS, without taking a dozen shots in the process, rather than spending more time firing multiple rounds to other parts of his body).
Don't bother.
I mean hes actually ripping apart a game for having a game mechanic now. You can't get more non-sensical than that.
You should have just said your wife put all of them there. I'm sure everyone in the forum can find at least one movie to hate on that list, and therefore, think less of you.
A game mechanic I don't like if it's not implemented well.
Damn that Sleep for wishing Perfect Dark Zero would allow you to jump. Damn him for not liking the GTA parts of No More Heroes. Damn him for not being excited about changing clothes in Final Fantasy X2. THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
GMAFB.
I can take or leave Harry Potter the rest are all pretty good. But I am going with the English Patient as it is not Blu-Ray. I actually hit our Queue recently had to hit the upgrade everything to Blu and hd-dvd because the wife just doesn't care.
The PS3 is okay, but I have to side with RainbowDespair. Neither system has hit its peak (I don't think), and the $200 would go a lot farther down the road.
It looks decent, but you need a free component jack at least. It will look squished on a non widescreen display and I'm pretty sure it has a border around it no matter what. Also looked really dim on the display I tested it on. Acceptable though but really not a feature that should sway someone one way or the other.
Actually now I can't remember if it had a border or not. I tested it about two weeks after the launch of the slim and I can't remember! I think it does though. I would test it right now but I was borrowing the cable from a friend.
I experienced only one technical issue with Assassins Creed on PS3 but it was substantial. Towards the end, the very end where there is a large gathering. Jesus, the slowdown, I mean literally 5 frames a second. Took me ages to move anywhere.
On my 360 copy, Altair fell through the ground into an alternate dimension with its own Altair. Both Altairs went on together until they both fell off the universe again. This happened several times until the Altair brothers eventually made it to the final boss fight.
The 360 one isn't without issues, either.
Funny you bring this up. A couple of years ago didn't you specifically go into the Official PSP thread (back when we were allowed to have them) and go on a big rant about how the PSP sucks? I'm pretty sure that was you. You may've even said the PS2 and Sony suck as well but my memory is pretty foggy about that part.
KVW:
I did my taxes today: $1450! Woot! + $300 (or $600) from the government rebate = happy spending urahonky. Still trying to decide if I should just pick up a PS3, or just hold out until the next model comes out... Which is inevitable. Hell, I might be able to find a cheap 60GB when they announce/release the 120's or whatever they decide to do.
Kinda sucks that this generation is a "Own all 3 or else you miss out on some good shit" one. Last gen I was okay with owning a good PC, GCN, and PS2. I played nearly all the games that I wanted to. But this gen I won't be able to do that. (I currently have a good PC, Wii, and 360).
Sigh... Sorry for that little rant. (Sleep, I semi-agree with your points on the lengthening of games nowadays)
Tell me about it. Crap like that I'll remember, as well as useless game knowledge, and yet I'm horrible at remembering people's names.
As for the PS3, I'd say the best idea would be trying to find a 60GB. If they bring out a new SKU I doubt they'll add anything the 60GB or 80GB lacked, other than a larger HDD and maybe a packed-in Dual Shock 3. Both are easily remedied, the former by just buying a new HDD (SATA 2.5") and the latter by just buying it seperately.
I just don't understand the logic behind that, due to the similarity of some games on both platforms and the significantly larger number of multiplats that are superior on the 360. On top of that, the 360 just has, pound for pound, more AAA titles and a wider variety of genres represented on the platform now.
And right now, Live is the better console-based online network for games. It has a larger, more active community. It is more fully featured. It has more content available to users. The only argument that is made that has even a hint of validity is the fact that you pay roughly $4.80 per month (less if you get the card with one extra month for free). Considering what you get, it just seems like grasping at straws and it's something that fanboys do.
Fanboy is a shitty word, but they do exist and some of them are paid plants on forums like these. That's just an absolute fact.
Back to the root of the discussion, I wouldn't take nearly as much issue with a thread like this if it were about someone jumping ship from the 360 to the Wii, because they are such different animals.
The 360 and PS3 are so similar that, depending on your perspective, you could say that the 360 is better at being a PS3 than a PS3 is if that's what you're looking for (unless the exclusives are an overruling factor) and the PS3 is not nearly as good at being a 360 as an actual 360.
It sounds fucking weird. I'm not sure if I even articulated that properly, but these two consoles are so glaringly similar and have so much overlap across the board that threads like this really baffle me. It's sort of like the Democratic race going on right now. The two of them are very similar, with slight differences here and there, but one is clearly stronger than the other, despite those similarities.
Basically what I'm saying is Obama/360 08!
I just don't understand the logic behind that, due to the similarity of some games on both platforms and the significantly larger number of multiplats that are superior on the 360. On top of that, the 360 just has, pound for pound, more AAA titles and a wider variety of genres represented on the platform now.
And right now, Live is the better console-based online network for games. It has a larger, more active community. It is more fully featured. It has more content available to users. The only argument that is made that has even a hint of validity is the fact that you pay roughly $4.80 per month (less if you get the card with one extra month for free). Considering what you get, it just seems like grasping at straws and it's something that fanboys do.
Fanboy is a shitty word, but they do exist and some of them are paid plants on forums like these. That's just an absolute fact.
Back to the root of the discussion, I wouldn't take nearly as much issue with a thread like this if it were about someone jumping ship from the 360 to the Wii, because they are such different animals.
The 360 and PS3 are so similar that, depending on your perspective, you could say that the 360 is better at being a PS3 than a PS3 is if that's what you're looking for (unless the exclusives are an overruling factor) and the PS3 is not nearly as good at being a 360 as an actual 360.
It sounds fucking weird. I'm not sure if I even articulated that properly, but these two consoles are so glaringly similar and have so much overlap across the board that threads like this really baffle me. It's sort of like the Democratic race going on right now. The two of them are very similar, with slight differences here and there, but one is clearly stronger than the other, despite those similarities.
Basically what I'm saying is Obama/360 08!
Probably. I've had to replace two PS2s, and I have a long personal history with the company. Family owns a furniture and appliance company Sony were a hassle to deal with working for my dad as a teen, and Vaio's were among some of the most unreliable pieces of hardware when they first came out and when I was doing IT work in college. I hear they're doing better in all three regards though. (Corporate service, PC/Appliance quality)
In effect, you'll be hard pressed to hear me say something positive about them.
However...
Probably. A couple of years ago the PSP didn't have much to be excited about. Now, though, I have access to one, Jean D'Arc, Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea to play plus all of those UMD movies are in sub bargain bin price ranges. Five for ten dollars. The system had a price cut as well.
I can use a PSP Slim with an old style PSP battery and extend the battery life on it by a couple of hours.
I have a bit of freedom with the machine, games are relatively cheap, and it's now fairly versatile. Still don't like it as much as I did the PSX, but then again, the PSX had an awesome version of Civilization 2 on it. Can't beat that.
Without playing up the PS3, consider this:
Rez isn't available to all PS3 users? Well, Rez isn't available to all 360 owners. I believe just over half have connected their 360's to Live (60% at a quick check), that means that just under half either don't have internet access, don't know how to set their 360 up to it or simply don't care.
In addition to this, core users without a memory card will be unable to play. At 120mb too, if you only have the one memory card it doesn't leave you much space for anything else (without constant deletion and re-downloading).
I would wager that, proportion wise (not physical numbers), it's perhaps equal between PS3 owners with backwards compatibility and 360 owners with internet access/non-core packs.
Multiple SKU's are an utter bitch this generation.
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I'm sorry, this is a wild tangent but I have to respond: This argument really doesn't hold weight, as 360 memory cards and ethernet cables are infinitely easier to find than a usable PS2 copy of Rez. Plus, you can't just go out and buy a "backwards compatibility cord" for the PS3. If a user decides he or she wants to buy the game, it's readily available on the 360 (and will never run out of stock) but limited by the chance of finding the game on the PS3 side.
I agree that multiple models have really boned both the 360 and PS3, but the widespread availability of digital distribution is most assuredly a factor in deciding what console a person wants to buy. Whoever said that XBLA and PSN titles shouldn't be weighed into the equation is terribly mistaken, since a shit-ton of money has changed hands over such digital distribution -- to say nothing of the Wii's nostalgic allure of the VC.
In the context of this thread it's blatantly obvious that a PS3 would be a better choice for the OP, since he's already said he doesn't use Live (one of the 360's biggest strengths) and doesn't really care for the games and franchises that are out now or on the horizon that he knows of (another of the 360's biggest strengths).
I personally agree with your base argument -- that the 360 and PS3 libraries are really quite similar in terms of game genres and playstyle -- but that's all YMMV. If you're a diehard Final Fantasy devotee, nothing that's not Final Fantasy isn't going to placate you, even if it's called Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon. Games like Ninja Gaiden, DMC and God of War all exist in the same loose genre but they still have very distinct identities and it's completely logical for someone to like one but not the others.
I don't like saying it, but I think it's high time Microsoft stops limiting games based on hardware. Your game can't run on a non HD Xbox? Sorry. This game needs the space.
Most of the limitations come from available storage space anyway. If you don't already have a hard drive, isn't a good sign that you're less likely to play these games as well?