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  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Except none of us really care about our ratio that much. Maybe we aren't all so self asorbed that we don't mind decking a guy so the flag or bomb can keep moving.

    Melee was only useless in Halo 1, and that was due to how they animated/executed it. It's always been useful in H2 and works great in H3 now even with simul-death. You see, Chief can flip a fucking tank. Of course his punches are going to hurt. If you don't like melee go play Counterstrike. I hear you run faster when holding a knife.

    I mean come on, they assigned a button on the controller -just for meleeing-, along with grenade throwing. In GE and PD, you had to manually switch to melee mode, because the focus in those games was guns (and mines, lulz)

    I mean, I don't know about you, but I constantly take down swords and hammers by punching them in the face. Even my bnet stats for weapons used to kill:

    #1 AR 1,753
    #2 Melee 1,634

    2,683 Beatdown medals

    Wow congrats, unfortunately, I'm not a dumbass. Just because I started with a BR doesn't mean I use it all the time... its a pretty simple matter to take down the sword with an AR now that the lunge is so short. And the GHam is worthless in almost every situation.
    guitar hero... action... master?
    Nice job BTW, even though melee & AR are your weapons of choice, I still beat down more people per match than you do.. O_o
    also, you still dont get it. we dont care, its about having fun not sniping people across the map with a stupidly-unbalanced gun

    hoodie13 on
    PSN: HoodieThirteen
    XBL: Torn Hoodie
    @hoodiethirteen
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    This clan vis a vie this thread is unequivocally not for you, based on the braggart mentality. Go post on MLG or Bungie where they'll welcome you with open arms.

    Wow nice argument man, you're right, time to go chill on the MLG forum because it offers just the same quality of experience as the PA forum.

    Kill ratio? as if that really mattered that much. Being an efficient killer is about teamwork and strategy. Part of the reason I personally don't see FFA as skill because luck and kill stealing factor too heavily into that equation.

    The main reason I hate MLG players is that they ruin the game, Also their attitude and lack of respect of the rules. The asshattery that comes with all of that, I don't personally need. Professional gaming is a joke in its current form.

    If you are playing halo to be a MLG wannabe, then go play with those people and enjoy your misery and drugery. We will be playing causally and still be having fun.

    I play Halo to win because winning is fun and not dying is an important part of that... you can't defend or capture flags if you are dead, can't defend the bomb carrier, etc. There is no way, really, you can justify dying as much as you kill especially if you could easily kill more people than kill you.
    Being an efficient killer is about teamwork sure, but to me, efficiency means you have multiple guys using their BRs to take down people from a distance rather than just covering the asshat who insists on using his AR instead

    People like you are ruining the Halo multiplayer community.

    The_Scarab on
  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    This clan vis a vie this thread is unequivocally not for you, based on the braggart mentality. Go post on MLG or Bungie where they'll welcome you with open arms.

    Wow nice argument man, you're right, time to go chill on the MLG forum because it offers just the same quality of experience as the PA forum.

    Kill ratio? as if that really mattered that much. Being an efficient killer is about teamwork and strategy. Part of the reason I personally don't see FFA as skill because luck and kill stealing factor too heavily into that equation.

    The main reason I hate MLG players is that they ruin the game, Also their attitude and lack of respect of the rules. The asshattery that comes with all of that, I don't personally need. Professional gaming is a joke in its current form.

    If you are playing halo to be a MLG wannabe, then go play with those people and enjoy your misery and drugery. We will be playing causally and still be having fun.

    I play Halo to win because winning is fun and not dying is an important part of that... you can't defend or capture flags if you are dead, can't defend the bomb carrier, etc. There is no way, really, you can justify dying as much as you kill especially if you could easily kill more people than kill you.
    Being an efficient killer is about teamwork sure, but to me, efficiency means you have multiple guys using their BRs to take down people from a distance rather than just covering the asshat who insists on using his AR instead

    People like you are ruining the world.

    hoodie13 on
    PSN: HoodieThirteen
    XBL: Torn Hoodie
    @hoodiethirteen
  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    This clan vis a vie this thread is unequivocally not for you, based on the braggart mentality. Go post on MLG or Bungie where they'll welcome you with open arms.

    Wow nice argument man, you're right, time to go chill on the MLG forum because it offers just the same quality of experience as the PA forum.

    Kill ratio? as if that really mattered that much. Being an efficient killer is about teamwork and strategy. Part of the reason I personally don't see FFA as skill because luck and kill stealing factor too heavily into that equation.

    The main reason I hate MLG players is that they ruin the game, Also their attitude and lack of respect of the rules. The asshattery that comes with all of that, I don't personally need. Professional gaming is a joke in its current form.

    If you are playing halo to be a MLG wannabe, then go play with those people and enjoy your misery and drugery. We will be playing causally and still be having fun.

    I play Halo to win because winning is fun and not dying is an important part of that... you can't defend or capture flags if you are dead, can't defend the bomb carrier, etc. There is no way, really, you can justify dying as much as you kill especially if you could easily kill more people than kill you.
    Being an efficient killer is about teamwork sure, but to me, efficiency means you have multiple guys using their BRs to take down people from a distance rather than just covering the asshat who insists on using his AR instead

    People like you are ruining the Halo multiplayer community.

    ...except, if people like me are the majority and Bungie is on our side, then there is nothing you can really do about it. How am I ruining it by saying things should stay the same?

    Sakeido on
  • PredatorPredator __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    gaemz

    Predator on
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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Except none of us really care about our ratio that much. Maybe we aren't all so self asorbed that we don't mind decking a guy so the flag or bomb can keep moving.

    Melee was only useless in Halo 1, and that was due to how they animated/executed it. It's always been useful in H2 and works great in H3 now even with simul-death. You see, Chief can flip a fucking tank. Of course his punches are going to hurt. If you don't like melee go play Counterstrike. I hear you run faster when holding a knife.

    I mean come on, they assigned a button on the controller -just for meleeing-, along with grenade throwing. In GE and PD, you had to manually switch to melee mode, because the focus in those games was guns (and mines, lulz)

    I mean, I don't know about you, but I constantly take down swords and hammers by punching them in the face. Even my bnet stats for weapons used to kill:

    #1 AR 1,753
    #2 Melee 1,634

    2,683 Beatdown medals

    Wow congrats, unfortunately, I'm not a dumbass. Just because I started with a BR doesn't mean I use it all the time... its a pretty simple matter to take down the sword with an AR now that the lunge is so short. And the GHam is worthless in almost every situation. Nice job BTW, even though melee & AR are your weapons of choice, I still beat down more people per match than you do.. O_o

    Probably because you play more slayer. Or more games even.

    And what the fuck is a GHam? Grenade Ham? Halo: Tactical Pork Action?

    FyreWulff on
  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Maybe the oft-rumored pig-only Garry's Mod.

    hoodie13 on
    PSN: HoodieThirteen
    XBL: Torn Hoodie
    @hoodiethirteen
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    Maybe the oft-rumored pig-only Garry's Mod.

    Big Team Battle: Capture the Glaze

    FyreWulff on
  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Except none of us really care about our ratio that much. Maybe we aren't all so self asorbed that we don't mind decking a guy so the flag or bomb can keep moving.

    Melee was only useless in Halo 1, and that was due to how they animated/executed it. It's always been useful in H2 and works great in H3 now even with simul-death. You see, Chief can flip a fucking tank. Of course his punches are going to hurt. If you don't like melee go play Counterstrike. I hear you run faster when holding a knife.

    I mean come on, they assigned a button on the controller -just for meleeing-, along with grenade throwing. In GE and PD, you had to manually switch to melee mode, because the focus in those games was guns (and mines, lulz)

    I mean, I don't know about you, but I constantly take down swords and hammers by punching them in the face. Even my bnet stats for weapons used to kill:

    #1 AR 1,753
    #2 Melee 1,634

    2,683 Beatdown medals

    Wow congrats, unfortunately, I'm not a dumbass. Just because I started with a BR doesn't mean I use it all the time... its a pretty simple matter to take down the sword with an AR now that the lunge is so short. And the GHam is worthless in almost every situation. Nice job BTW, even though melee & AR are your weapons of choice, I still beat down more people per match than you do.. O_o

    Probably because you play more slayer. Or more games even.

    And what the fuck is a GHam? Grenade Ham? Halo: Tactical Pork Action?

    No actually I've played almost 1,000 games less
    GHam = Gravity Hammer

    I would like to think that in a response to a mention of a gravity hammer, that it abbreviates to GHam or even Ham would be pretty obvious...

    Sakeido on
  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Sakeido on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You forgot the fourth solution, which has been my solution to pretty much every problem since day fucking one.

    - Only play custom games because I dont give a shit about rank or medals.

    You know, rank is important for some people. And yes, I play matchmaking sometimes because not all my friends are avaliable to play custom games.
    None of my friends who play custom games with me regularly like BR start so we never ever have it one.

    I've been playing pretty much 90% custom games since Halo fucking 2 and Im enjoying it so far. Why would I put up with an inferior and often annoying method to play Halo 3 which is Halo 3 matchmaking. 80% of the people you play with are idiots and the other 20% are morons.

    My friends list isnt just a list of acquaintances, it is a legitimate list of my personal friends' gamertags.

    The_Scarab on
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Or maybe we could make fun of it because it's the most boring gun in the game. If you're going to start with "best", and gun means "thing that mechanically fires projectiles", that'd be the sniper rifle for killing potential.

    Seriously, you're not "getting us". You're not getting anywhere. If you want to make a [game on] for halo with BR starts, go ahead, but you're not going to get anywhere trying to convince us or whateverthefuck.

    I also like how you're trying to say we all suck at using the BR. Thank you, a vast majority of us are excellent with the BR. We aren't complaining about sitting in respawn for long times.

    FyreWulff on
  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Or maybe we could make fun of it because it's the most boring gun in the game. If you're going to start with "best", and gun means "thing that mechanically fires projectiles", that'd be the sniper rifle for killing potential.

    Seriously, you're not "getting us". You're not getting anywhere. If you want to make a [game on] for halo with BR starts, go ahead, but you're not going to get anywhere trying to convince us or whateverthefuck.

    Idiots
    I always like playing against guys I see with the stack of gold bars because I own them constantly... now I know exactly what they are saying the whole time. "Fuck BR starts this is boring jesus I was on the other side of the map what the fuck Bungie there shouldn't be BR starts" Blame yourselves, not the game! You'll enjoy it more, as with anything in life. If you don't hold yourself accountable, the situation never improves.

    Sakeido on
  • OhtsamOhtsam Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    Ohtsam on
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    FyreWulff on
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Also guys what maps do you think we should have in 2v2

    I'd think it'd be easier to have a ban list

    Obvious:
    Valhalla
    Sandtrap
    Rat's Nest

    More than likely:
    The Pit


    Maybe:
    Standoff
    Construct


    I could make a 2v2 Foundry variant, so.. yeah.

    FyreWulff on
  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    Wow you are running up quite the exhaustive list of justifications for mediocrity

    I have yet to encounter a BR start game where the BR is the only gun anyone uses.. it might be the gun that most people use because its the most effective one for the map, maybe, but I still don't see many people charging the flag room without a shotty or rocket in hand. Are you playing the same game as me? It came with a big helmet, in a case that said Halo 3? Or are you just making shit up to defend your indefensible argument?

    Sakeido on
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    Wow you are running up quite the exhaustive list of justifications for mediocrity

    I have yet to encounter a BR start game where the BR is the only gun anyone uses.. it might be the gun that most people use because its the most effective one for the map, maybe, but I still don't see many people charging the flag room without a shotty or rocket in hand. Are you playing the same game as me? It came with a big helmet, in a case that said Halo 3? Or are you just making shit up to defend your indefensible argument?

    Just stop.

    I'm just going to ask everyone else that posts in this thread to ignore your replies to this topic now. We're not getting anywhere.

    FyreWulff on
  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    Wow you are running up quite the exhaustive list of justifications for mediocrity

    I have yet to encounter a BR start game where the BR is the only gun anyone uses.. it might be the gun that most people use because its the most effective one for the map, maybe, but I still don't see many people charging the flag room without a shotty or rocket in hand. Are you playing the same game as me? It came with a big helmet, in a case that said Halo 3? Or are you just making shit up to defend your indefensible argument?

    Just stop.

    I'm just going to ask everyone else that posts in this thread to ignore your replies to this topic now. We're not getting anywhere.

    What a copout :whistle:

    Sakeido on
  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Also guys what maps do you think we should have in 2v2

    I'd think it'd be easier to have a ban list

    Obvious:
    Valhalla
    Sandtrap
    Rat's Nest

    More than likely:
    The Pit


    Maybe:
    Standoff
    Construct


    I could make a 2v2 Foundry variant, so.. yeah.

    Also equipment being removed:
    Radar Jammer - obviously generates too many dots so you know where it is
    Regen - a bit too overpowering in 2v2, I'd think.

    staying:
    flare, bubble shield, tripmines, grav lift, etc

    weapons being removed:
    sniper rifle
    sword + hammers (just to keep the game moving, otherwise we're going to have slow games where a team is spending minutes dislodging a team in the sword/hammer rooms on maps)

    possible removal:

    laser on construct
    flamethrower on construct

    overall tweaks:
    br reduction and spawn timer increase
    perhaps swap out all camos with overshields or remove camo/overshield completely
    increase in amount of dualies

    I will also be tweaking spawns to more reliably spawn teams in cover and together.

    FyreWulff on
  • PemulisPemulis Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Le sigh.

    Hopefully this is over now, I like this thread much better when I get to see funny screenshots.

    Pemulis on
  • OhtsamOhtsam Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    Wow you are running up quite the exhaustive list of justifications for mediocrity

    I have yet to encounter a BR start game where the BR is the only gun anyone uses.. it might be the gun that most people use because its the most effective one for the map, maybe, but I still don't see many people charging the flag room without a shotty or rocket in hand. Are you playing the same game as me? It came with a big helmet, in a case that said Halo 3? Or are you just making shit up to defend your indefensible argument?

    If you'll look I mentioned power weapons as the only other weapons being used besides the br. And yes while the br is usually an extremely effective weapon on most maps you shouldn't spawn with such an effective weapon. It marginalizes the importance of things such as map control since you'll never really have to go searching for a good weapon, It marginalizes melees and grenades which in my opinion are two things that make halo unique considering how streamlined their usage is compared to most other Fps and it mkaes every other weapon that isn't a power weapon obselete.

    As fun as it may be for you the we're tired of playing a game where its become aim, shoot 4 times instead of maneuver and tactics

    Ohtsam on
  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    Wow you are running up quite the exhaustive list of justifications for mediocrity

    I have yet to encounter a BR start game where the BR is the only gun anyone uses.. it might be the gun that most people use because its the most effective one for the map, maybe, but I still don't see many people charging the flag room without a shotty or rocket in hand. Are you playing the same game as me? It came with a big helmet, in a case that said Halo 3? Or are you just making shit up to defend your indefensible argument?

    Just stop.

    I'm just going to ask everyone else that posts in this thread to ignore your replies to this topic now. We're not getting anywhere.

    What a copout :whistle:

    I am also going to kindly remind you that trolling isn't appreciated here.
    Some of us went for staff captain and I respect that. I am going for a 4th grade commander because I don't care to move on with rank. There is a degree of humiliation that we inflict apon our opponents when they lose to staff captains and lesser skilled opponents. Too many Generals and brigadiers don't deserve their rank.

    Viscountalpha on
  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Um, so.
    I'm getting on now.
    Anyone on?
    Shoot me an invite if you see me.

    Local H Jay on
  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Viscount is heading out to churchamanjaro.


    *edit*
    Looks like I have some other promises to keep. Damn it. Atleast I get to hang out with nambkab this way.

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  • WillethWilleth Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    What the fuck, guys. Don't we have a rule here that says specifically 'don't be a dick'?

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  • SakeidoSakeido Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Really I think the problem is this.
    Every time you die, you have to sit around and do nothing until you respawn
    If you die frequently, you will be sitting around a lot and will get bored
    If you are playing on a map with BRs, and you can't aim a BR and don't understand the concept of cover, or using a mongoose to carry the bomb flag/etc., you will die frequently
    Therefore, in a BR start game where everyone has a BR, you will get bored because you are spending so much time dead

    Solutions to the problem:
    - Bitch about it, even though it will accomplish nothing
    - Accuse people who can aim a BR of having no skill or being a wannabe MLG player
    - Learn how to aim a BR and use cover so you die less

    Its fairly obvious which of those solutions you guys are going with. That would be pretty immature behavior in real life and isn't any different in a game. Fucking deal with it. BR starts aren't going anywhere so you might as well learn how to use the best gun in the game.

    Trust me when I say that we CAN use a BR well and we CAN use cover.
    We would just like every weapon and piece of equipment not just power ones to be used because
    A. they add more variety since you need to how to counter and use them
    B. Makes it possible to play mindgames since your opponent may not know what weapon is coming at them next
    C. It makes it possible for the smarter person to beat the guy with excellant aim through smart weapon choice.
    Instead MLG thinks its better to strip away equipment and many weapons that have great situational use and instead make everyone use brs so it turns into who has the fastest reaction time instead of a tactical game. With BR starts there is never a reason to pick up most weapons and the lack of variety just starts making the game dull, boring and stupid.

    DING DING DING

    also nice jab at people with gold bars, with a clan where most of us are intentionally going for gold bar ranks because they're more unique than the 50 billion generals/brigadiers

    Wow you are running up quite the exhaustive list of justifications for mediocrity

    I have yet to encounter a BR start game where the BR is the only gun anyone uses.. it might be the gun that most people use because its the most effective one for the map, maybe, but I still don't see many people charging the flag room without a shotty or rocket in hand. Are you playing the same game as me? It came with a big helmet, in a case that said Halo 3? Or are you just making shit up to defend your indefensible argument?

    If you'll look I mentioned power weapons as the only other weapons being used besides the br. And yes while the br is usually an extremely effective weapon on most maps you shouldn't spawn with such an effective weapon. It marginalizes the importance of things such as map control since you'll never really have to go searching for a good weapon, It marginalizes melees and grenades which in my opinion are two things that make halo unique considering how streamlined their usage is compared to most other Fps and it mkaes every other weapon that isn't a power weapon obselete.

    As fun as it may be for you the we're tired of playing a game where its become aim, shoot 4 times instead of maneuver and tactics

    We seriously must be playing a different game because I still find a use for my grenades always, and maneuvering and tactics is all the more important with BRs. You need to minimize the odds you are going to get shot before you can get the drop on the other team.. move around so that you are only open to one hallway at a time on the Pit, block out most of the center on Valhalla, etc.
    On any map but Epitaph and Guardian, it always comes down to BRs and power weapons. Its a game balance issue. If its not a BR start, whichever team gets into the middle of Valhalla then owns the rest of the game in a AR start. It is still possible to control the map just fine with BRs because all things equal, the more skilled team will still always win. If you can't control the map when everyone has BRs, its YOUR OWN FAULT. Also, to say map control becomes useless in a BR game, that is just straight up wrong.

    I'm fucking sick of all these complaints I see about this game. It is not the fucking gametypes, maps, or Bungie's fault. People bitch because they don't hold themselves accountable for their own shortcomings. Learn to love the BR, and all the sudden it won't be so bad you play with it all the time.

    Sakeido on
  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    what the hell guys, why are all my recent games gone. i can't watch through anything!

    WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

    hoodie13 on
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    XBL: Torn Hoodie
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  • OhtsamOhtsam Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    what the hell guys, why are all my recent games gone. i can't watch through anything!

    WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

    No idea
    I believe it has something to do with the new maps

    Ohtsam on
  • Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    This clan vis a vie this thread is unequivocally not for you, based on the braggart mentality. Go post on MLG or Bungie where they'll welcome you with open arms.

    Wow nice argument man, you're right, time to go chill on the MLG forum because it offers just the same quality of experience as the PA forum.

    Kill ratio? as if that really mattered that much. Being an efficient killer is about teamwork and strategy. Part of the reason I personally don't see FFA as skill because luck and kill stealing factor too heavily into that equation.

    The main reason I hate MLG players is that they ruin the game, Also their attitude and lack of respect of the rules. The asshattery that comes with all of that, I don't personally need. Professional gaming is a joke in its current form.

    If you are playing halo to be a MLG wannabe, then go play with those people and enjoy your misery and drugery. We will be playing causally and still be having fun.

    I play Halo to win because winning is fun and not dying is an important part of that... you can't defend or capture flags if you are dead, can't defend the bomb carrier, etc. There is no way, really, you can justify dying as much as you kill especially if you could easily kill more people than kill you.
    Being an efficient killer is about teamwork sure, but to me, efficiency means you have multiple guys using their BRs to take down people from a distance rather than just covering the asshat who insists on using his AR instead

    People like you are ruining the Halo multiplayer community.
    Hahahaha, no. I like you Scarab, but that's wrong. The Halo multiplayer community was ruined long before MLG came along and MLG had nothing to do with it.

    Regicid3 on
  • Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm confused. Sakeido likes BR starts but he also likes rank and matchmaking.

    Why is this? It is all about the custom games.

    Regicid3 on
  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    what the hell guys, why are all my recent games gone. i can't watch through anything!

    WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

    No idea
    I believe it has something to do with the new maps

    You know I think so to, because it keeps happening, and it never happened before the maps came out.

    hoodie13 on
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    XBL: Torn Hoodie
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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Regicid3 wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    Sakeido wrote: »
    EvilBadman wrote: »
    This clan vis a vie this thread is unequivocally not for you, based on the braggart mentality. Go post on MLG or Bungie where they'll welcome you with open arms.

    Wow nice argument man, you're right, time to go chill on the MLG forum because it offers just the same quality of experience as the PA forum.

    Kill ratio? as if that really mattered that much. Being an efficient killer is about teamwork and strategy. Part of the reason I personally don't see FFA as skill because luck and kill stealing factor too heavily into that equation.

    The main reason I hate MLG players is that they ruin the game, Also their attitude and lack of respect of the rules. The asshattery that comes with all of that, I don't personally need. Professional gaming is a joke in its current form.

    If you are playing halo to be a MLG wannabe, then go play with those people and enjoy your misery and drugery. We will be playing causally and still be having fun.

    I play Halo to win because winning is fun and not dying is an important part of that... you can't defend or capture flags if you are dead, can't defend the bomb carrier, etc. There is no way, really, you can justify dying as much as you kill especially if you could easily kill more people than kill you.
    Being an efficient killer is about teamwork sure, but to me, efficiency means you have multiple guys using their BRs to take down people from a distance rather than just covering the asshat who insists on using his AR instead

    People like you are ruining the Halo multiplayer community.
    Hahahaha, no. I like you Scarab, but that's wrong. The Halo multiplayer community was ruined long before MLG came along and MLG had nothing to do with it.

    hehe fair point.

    i think though the halo community suffers from what i like to call the rule of internet averages.

    90% of people are stupid assholes. halo has the largest community and therefore the largest amount of stupid assholes.

    its like, the r6 vegas online community isnt renowned for being stupid, but there are still stupid people on there.


    i think its an overall 'xbox live is a hive of wanton morons' effect going on.

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  • AmphetamineAmphetamine Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    what the hell guys, why are all my recent games gone. i can't watch through anything!

    WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING

    I recall someone telling me it has something to do with playing a game other than Halo afterwards. That clears the cache or something.

    Amphetamine on
  • PredatorPredator __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    plz dun make fun of my br its my friend

    Predator on
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  • NambkabNambkab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    If I'm dead in a ditch, it's the most comfy ditch ever.

    Nambkab on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Predator wrote: »
    plz dun make fun of my br its my friend

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    I'd think it'd be easier to have a ban list.


    Also equipment being removed:
    Radar Jammer - obviously generates too many dots so you know where it is
    Regen - a bit too overpowering in 2v2, I'd think.

    staying:
    flare, bubble shield, tripmines, grav lift, etc

    weapons being removed:
    sniper rifle
    sword + hammers (just to keep the game moving, otherwise we're going to have slow games where a team is spending minutes dislodging a team in the sword/hammer rooms on maps)

    possible removal:

    laser on construct
    flamethrower on construct

    overall tweaks:
    br reduction and spawn timer increase
    perhaps swap out all camos with overshields or remove camo/overshield completely
    increase in amount of dualies

    I will also be tweaking spawns to more reliably spawn teams in cover and together.

    So...pistols and AR's? Probably easier to list what weapons you'll be allowing.

    KVW on
  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    KVW wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    I'd think it'd be easier to have a ban list.


    Also equipment being removed:
    Radar Jammer - obviously generates too many dots so you know where it is
    Regen - a bit too overpowering in 2v2, I'd think.

    staying:
    flare, bubble shield, tripmines, grav lift, etc

    weapons being removed:
    sniper rifle
    sword + hammers (just to keep the game moving, otherwise we're going to have slow games where a team is spending minutes dislodging a team in the sword/hammer rooms on maps)

    possible removal:

    laser on construct
    flamethrower on construct

    overall tweaks:
    br reduction and spawn timer increase
    perhaps swap out all camos with overshields or remove camo/overshield completely
    increase in amount of dualies

    I will also be tweaking spawns to more reliably spawn teams in cover and together.

    So...pistols and AR's? Probably easier to list what weapons you'll be allowing.

    I think this is ultimately leading to a Halo version of melee barn. Pistols only, no ammo. whipping for the win

    The_Scarab on
  • OhtsamOhtsam Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    KVW wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    I'd think it'd be easier to have a ban list.


    Also equipment being removed:
    Radar Jammer - obviously generates too many dots so you know where it is
    Regen - a bit too overpowering in 2v2, I'd think.

    staying:
    flare, bubble shield, tripmines, grav lift, etc

    weapons being removed:
    sniper rifle
    sword + hammers (just to keep the game moving, otherwise we're going to have slow games where a team is spending minutes dislodging a team in the sword/hammer rooms on maps)

    possible removal:

    laser on construct
    flamethrower on construct

    overall tweaks:
    br reduction and spawn timer increase
    perhaps swap out all camos with overshields or remove camo/overshield completely
    increase in amount of dualies

    I will also be tweaking spawns to more reliably spawn teams in cover and together.

    So...pistols and AR's? Probably easier to list what weapons you'll be allowing.

    I think this is ultimately leading to a Halo version of melee barn. Pistols only, no ammo. whipping for the win

    but hes only removing power weapons which leaves all the duals shotgun ar br

    Ohtsam on
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