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TehlawlrusTehlawlrus Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
Posted this earlier and it was locked, at first I was upset but then realized that I was also stupid and had not actually asked anything, just made a statement.

I found out I'm colour blind today and in one sadistic explosion of suck, my life long dream of being a helicopter pilot was reduced to ashes.

(Btw out of experience of posting this elsewhere, I am very aware of the little miss sunshine thing, and ironically enough said to my friend while watching the flick "Wow, that sucks for him. Good thing I'm not colour blind!")

The reason I'm posting this here is because I figure this forum has a huge pool of users, some of whom may be pilots, know pilots, be eye doctors, and could possibly help me out.

Does anyone know if there's a way around this? My own research so far has done nothing but to show me that there's really no corrective options, surgical or otherwise, and that my chances of becoming a pilot are slim to none.
Does anyone have any experiences with the industry that they could share regarding this? Any links to some sort of FAA loophole? Anything at all?
It's looking bleak right now, but I figure if anything can help, it's the power of the internets.

(Apologies for not asking a question in my first thread; I did mean to, I just completely spaced. Didn't mean to just come here and make a post just complaining)

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  • MoSiAcMoSiAc Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I haven't researched but I had heard once that there are different types of colorblind, is that right? You might be one that could let you fly as opposed to one that won't. Or am I completely wrong about that?

    My uncle is color blind and he wanted to be a pilot, so his dream got crushed too, so I feel for ya.

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  • TehlawlrusTehlawlrus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    You're right, there are definitely different types of colour blind. I'm red/green which is the most common apparently, and unfortunately also seems to be the worst possible type to have considering my situation.

    Note: If you're colour blind, you don't know it unless you get tested. Common sense of course, but it had never crossed my mind until I randomly took a test for fun.

    For anyone that this might be important to, go here: http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html
    You still need to go to a professional to be certain of course, but my results online were the exact same as the professional test, so this is a decent resource to give you an idea at least.

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  • honkymcgoohonkymcgoo Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah, youre kind of fucked. Most instruments use red/green to denote status, so if you cant see those youre sort of out of luck. And since a physical complete with eye exam is neccesary to obtain even a private license, youre not gonna be able to fake your way through it.

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  • Cowboy-BebopCowboy-Bebop Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I also don't think there's any way to correct the condition because it's a problem with your photo receptors. Besides somehow replacing all of those, I can't see any possible way to fix the problem.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Unfortunately there is currently no cure or treatment for color blindness. There's some work towards gene therapy treatments for it, but nothing conclusive/functional yet.

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  • Nohbody8Nohbody8 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Tehlawlrus wrote: »
    Note: If you're colour blind, you don't know it unless you get tested. Common sense of course, but it had never crossed my mind until I randomly took a test for fun.

    I'm really curious about this. I suppose I take it for granted but how does this not come up naturally? Is it that you learn what those colors look like to you and then assume that's what they look like to everyone else?

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Nohbody8 wrote: »
    Tehlawlrus wrote: »
    Note: If you're colour blind, you don't know it unless you get tested. Common sense of course, but it had never crossed my mind until I randomly took a test for fun.

    I'm really curious about this. I suppose I take it for granted but how does this not come up naturally? Is it that you learn what those colors look like to you and then assume that's what they look like to everyone else?

    Yeah, I'd have figured that looking at color wheels or something, or learning tools like red and green would tip people off.

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  • FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Tehlawlrus wrote: »
    Note: If you're colour blind, you don't know it unless you get tested. Common sense of course, but it had never crossed my mind until I randomly took a test for fun.

    You can know it without getting tested. I've never been formally tested, but it became very apparent when I was in first grade and the other kids made fun of how I'd color in things. Also there's the Ishiara tests you can take. I myself have Daltonism.

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  • FellhandFellhand Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Nohbody8 wrote: »
    I'm really curious about this. I suppose I take it for granted but how does this not come up naturally? Is it that you learn what those colors look like to you and then assume that's what they look like to everyone else?

    This is from wikipedia and I think it's a pretty good description of my experience:
    Wiki wrote:
    The names red, orange, yellow, and green really mean very little to him aside from being different names that every one else around him seems to be able to agree on. Similarly, violet, lavender, purple, and blue, seem to be too many names to use logically for hues that all look alike to him.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    A question on the Ishihara test that was linked a bit ago.

    At the very bottom, it says if you have normal vision you'll see a five, if you have red/green, you'll see a two.

    Well, at first, I saw a two, and nothing but a two, very clearly defined.

    But then I read the passage next to it, and only saw a defined five, and could not imagine where I saw the two

    And the two tests at the bottom, the six and the eight, gave me trouble.

    Am I reading too much into it?

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Just because you can't be a pilot doesn't mean you can't get into aeronautical engineering and learn to design planes, or even possibly get a private license so you can still fly.

    I wanted to fly and broke my ankles, receiving metal pins in them. I might not be able to join the military, but there's other options.

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  • starmanbrandstarmanbrand Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I know there is probably a better place to ask this, but since we are on the subject: How do people not know they are color blind when they drive? I know you can tell if you should stop or go based on the vertical
    position of the light, but wouldn't the top and bottom colors being similar tip you off?

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    redgreen.jpg

    What does everyone see in this picture?

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I know there is probably a better place to ask this, but since we are on the subject: How do people not know they are color blind when they drive? I know you can tell if you should stop or go based on the vertical
    position of the light, but wouldn't the top and bottom colors being similar tip you off?

    Probably not, because those are green and red to you. You can't see through someone else's eyes to know what they look like to people who aren't color blind.

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  • Nohbody8Nohbody8 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    What does everyone see in this picture?

    I hope the correct answer to this question is a red and green circle slightly overlapping.

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  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Nohbody8 wrote: »
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    What does everyone see in this picture?

    I hope the correct answer to this question is a red and green circle slightly overlapping.


    daaaaaaaamn dude...

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  • Nohbody8Nohbody8 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    daaaaaaaamn dude...

    Should I be worried about that statement?

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    While FAA regs are slow to change, many aircraft these days have what is called a "glass cockpit" which means all the instruments are on an LCD screen controlled by a computer. I can foresee a future when instruments can be colored to the pilots preference.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Nohbody8 wrote: »
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    daaaaaaaamn dude...

    Should I be worried about that statement?

    :lol:

    No, he's joking.

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  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    A question on the Ishihara test that was linked a bit ago.

    At the very bottom, it says if you have normal vision you'll see a five, if you have red/green, you'll see a two.

    Well, at first, I saw a two, and nothing but a two, very clearly defined.

    But then I read the passage next to it, and only saw a defined five, and could not imagine where I saw the two

    And the two tests at the bottom, the six and the eight, gave me trouble.

    Am I reading too much into it?

    I saw the five plain clear as day but since I know a 2 is there I can spot it as well, it overlaps toward the middle of the five at the largest dot of the five. try that.

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  • Nohbody8Nohbody8 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Septus wrote: »
    No, he's joking.

    Whew! :winky:

    That's made even funnier by the fact that I thought of saying I saw something totally random.

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  • CycloneRangerCycloneRanger Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    useless4 wrote: »
    A question on the Ishihara test that was linked a bit ago.

    At the very bottom, it says if you have normal vision you'll see a five, if you have red/green, you'll see a two.

    Well, at first, I saw a two, and nothing but a two, very clearly defined.

    But then I read the passage next to it, and only saw a defined five, and could not imagine where I saw the two

    And the two tests at the bottom, the six and the eight, gave me trouble.

    Am I reading too much into it?

    I saw the five plain clear as day but since I know a 2 is there I can spot it as well, it overlaps toward the middle of the five at the largest dot of the five. try that.
    Effective color vision requires more light than simple black-and-white vision. Knowing this, I can make the "2" plainly visible by squinting my eyes tightly. I imagine turning down the luminosity of my monitor would help too.

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  • RagixRagix Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    MagicPrime wrote: »
    redgreen.jpg

    What does everyone see in this picture?

    A grey 8 flipped to the side.... what am I supposed to see here?

    Edit: O.K I was kidding, but the posts didn't have to stop. Sheesh.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights all the traits of greatness starlight at my feetRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Ragix wrote: »
    A grey 8 flipped to the side.... what am I supposed to see here?

    Edit: O.K I was kidding, but the posts didn't have to stop. Sheesh.

    Jeez, maybe Ex-Nazi is a bit hurried.

    THIS guy. ;-)

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  • Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    As a military helicopter pilot I can tell you the military is out.
    Also the FAA makes you take a physical before you can fly privately and it has a color blind test.
    You are screwed. Sorry D:

    It is for the best though. All of your instruments are coded, green = good. Red = bad. If you cant distinguish between the two easily then it would be very difficult to casually scan your gauges and know that everything is all right.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    It's really too bad that you can't go in there and change the colors on the digital gauges yourself, but I guess that would be a nightmare for the FAA to regulate. Personally I wouldn't mind sharing airspace with someone with colorblindness if they have a demonstrated ability to fly safely.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm red-green colorblind myself. I happened to be tested for it at an early age, so at least it hasn't come as a nasty shock like it did for the OP. Those Ishihara tests are a bitch.

    As for the traffic light question: note that in the Ishihara page that was linked it says that we like bright colors which are more identifiable. This is absolutely true in the case of traffic lights. Those particular shades of red and of green used in traffic lights are very bright and quite distinct from each other, so it isn't a problem.

    The difficulties for me (and I'm sure it varies to some degree) pop up when dealing with darker shades, really pale or pastel shades, or distance (that's a fun one; looks red from a hundred yards but oh hey! it's green up close). A friend of mine had a car that was dark green; for years I thought it was dark blue.

    And see, right there, it's other colors besides just red and green. Some shades of green and grey get mixed up for me... blue and purple play hell with my eyes, and distinctions like violet, lavender, periwinkle and the like are just other words for purple to me. Tough stuff.

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  • Nohbody8Nohbody8 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I heard once that all men are color blind to some extent, it just isn't severe enough to even matter for most of us. I told my wife about that and she said it made sense given that a lot of guys can't seem to dress properly! :lol:

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    Nohbody8 wrote: »
    I heard once that all men are color blind to some extent, it just isn't severe enough to even matter for most of us. I told my wife about that and she said it made sense given that a lot of guys can't seem to dress properly! :lol:

    It's true. Women have much more color receptors than men. Which is why women have fancy names for colors and we just call it "light blue, dark blue, blue".

    Also, the chance of being colorblind as a male is 1 in 11. For females, 1 in 300.

    See:

    Only women have the possibility of having 4 color ranges instead of 3

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  • Eat_FireEat_Fire Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Tehlawlrus wrote: »
    Posted this earlier and it was locked, at first I was upset but then realized that I was also stupid and had not actually asked anything, just made a statement.

    I found out I'm colour blind today and in one sadistic explosion of suck, my life long dream of being a helicopter pilot was reduced to ashes.

    (Btw out of experience of posting this elsewhere, I am very aware of the little miss sunshine thing, and ironically enough said to my friend while watching the flick "Wow, that sucks for him. Good thing I'm not colour blind!")

    The reason I'm posting this here is because I figure this forum has a huge pool of users, some of whom may be pilots, know pilots, be eye doctors, and could possibly help me out.

    Does anyone know if there's a way around this? My own research so far has done nothing but to show me that there's really no corrective options, surgical or otherwise, and that my chances of becoming a pilot are slim to none.
    Does anyone have any experiences with the industry that they could share regarding this? Any links to some sort of FAA loophole? Anything at all?
    It's looking bleak right now, but I figure if anything can help, it's the power of the internets.

    (Apologies for not asking a question in my first thread; I did mean to, I just completely spaced. Didn't mean to just come here and make a post just complaining)

    I know im beating a dead horse here but, if you watched that scene did you not notice you couldn't see the "A" inside the circle either?

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  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Nohbody8 wrote: »
    I heard once that all men are color blind to some extent, it just isn't severe enough to even matter for most of us. I told my wife about that and she said it made sense given that a lot of guys can't seem to dress properly! :lol:

    Strangely I am not color blind according to the test but for the life of me I can't tell (easily or at all in low light) the difference between green and blue uno cards,

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    That might be a lighting issue. For example on the 360 component cables, I have to shine a flashlight on them while working on the back of the TV because they are extremely hard to tell apart (blue.. and.. cyan?) if not under very bright light.

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  • TehlawlrusTehlawlrus Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Eat_Fire wrote: »
    I know im beating a dead horse here but, if you watched that scene did you not notice you couldn't see the "A" inside the circle either?

    At the time I didn't really think anything of it, since it's just a movie... I thought maybe it was one of those props that had a lot less detail than is alluded to in the dialogue.

    And Limp Moose, what can you tell me about the Farnsworth Lantern test? I heard that this is a possible acceptible alternative to the Ishihara plates, but if you're in the industry and have any insight, it would be great to hear more from you.

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