May Day, and the state of socialism in the world

FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
edited May 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
It's almost over in most parts of the world, but May 1st was May Day, also known as International Workers' Day. It was initially created to commemorate the Haymarket Massacre in Chicago, when Chicago police killed a dozen people who were observing a general strike. Every part of the world celebrates the day, excluding the US and Canada, mainly because of the presence of Labour Day as our own worker's holiday.

May Day has, over time, come to have strong socialist undertones. As a result, many countries have come to either wholly embrace it or have strongly resisted it.

In Turkey, where May Day is outlawed, large protests were broken up violently:

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Violence also broke out during German protests (mainly because of a strong Neo-Nazi presence):

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However, some "Communist" countries still avidly celebrate the holiday. In Cuba:

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In China:

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Peaceful demonstrations were held in non-Communist countries, as well, but those pictures are harder to find.

For the most part, this thread is to discuss your own May Day experiences, along with discussion about the state of socialism in the old sense (Bourgeoisie/Proletariat tensions, nothing to lose but your chains, etc.) in countries today.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The complete lack of 24 hour news reporting on any of this astounds me.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Come on!

    Is a man not entitled to the sweat from his brow?

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Socialism isn't Communism and Communism doesn't exist on a large scale.

    If you want to look at Socialism look at Northern Europe.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    May day means literally nothing to me, except that there's some college where the people run around naked or something.

    I've never seen anyone celebrate, protest, or otherwise acknowledge it.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    All I know is that it's the first of May, and outdoor fuckin' starts today.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I remember some shit about a May Pole and kids dancing around it. God, that was like in 1st grade.

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  • GiantRoboGiantRobo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    GiantRobo wrote: »
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

    Blue collar workers are stupid.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Blue collar workers are stupid.

    Considering the education system they're stuck with this is often true.

    But really everyone's stupid just some have learned how to fuck people over better.

    'Course, carpenters can make six figures.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited May 2008
    I always wear a red shirt on May Day. Bastille Day too.

    Outside of that, I spent my International Workers' Day working a 14-hour shift.

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  • NavocNavoc Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    GiantRobo wrote: »
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

    Blue collar workers are stupid.

    Hilarious.

    The 8 hour work day didn't become the standard. A collection of large labour organizations met and agreed upon a date (May 1, 1886) when they would all define a day's work as eight hours. They went on strike to try and bring about the eight hour work day, not in response to it.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I always wear a red shirt on May Day. Bastille Day too.

    Outside of that, I spent my International Workers' Day working a 14-hour shift.
    Will, be honest -- how many shirts do you own?

    And NOT bought by your girlfriend?

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    I remember some shit about a May Pole and kids dancing around it. God, that was like in 1st grade.

    May Pole? Are you, perhaps, Swedish?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PNeGXGd2FI

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited May 2008
    celery77 wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I always wear a red shirt on May Day. Bastille Day too.

    Outside of that, I spent my International Workers' Day working a 14-hour shift.
    Will, be honest -- how many shirts do you own?

    And NOT bought by your girlfriend?

    Man I own a bunch of shirts. Probably a hundred. Frankie's only bought me a few, though they're pretty good by and large. One has a giant half-tone Tom Waits on it. One is grey with a red star on it. One has an imperial Japanese sunburst behind a plane dropping bombs with the letter "F" on them. And one is a geeky math shirt with a parabola bounding an area that says "Master of my Domain".

    I don't wear that last one a whole lot.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited May 2008
    Cantido wrote: »
    I remember some shit about a May Pole and kids dancing around it. God, that was like in 1st grade.

    Yeah we did that too. It was pretty basic, like over, under, over, under while some lame probably Scandinavian music played.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Lots of hispanics protested for comprehensive immigration reform in Chicago and LA yesterday, which screwed up traffic downtown for a bit. Very little coverage anywhere but the local station, and I think NPR mentioned it in passing.

    It'd be awesome if the policeman statue commemorating their casualties at Haymarket got vandalised every May 1st. Not least of which because it got moved to the front doors of police headquarters for that very reason.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Oh West Coast Longshoremen took the day off in protest of the war, just FYI.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    And all most of America probably did is start working on excuses for not showing up for work after getting blitzed on Cinco de Mayo.

    Myself, I worked my standard 9 hour shift (minus 1-hour lunch). My only show of solidarity was sporting a fetching red tam.

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  • MalaysianShrewMalaysianShrew Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    GiantRobo wrote: »
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

    Blue collar workers are stupid.

    I want to gut you.

    The fact that May Day is ignored here makes me sad. It hides the fact that, contrary to what you learn in grade school, the 40 hour week and the 8 hour day were violently put down by the government. People were killed by Chicago police while securing the labor rights everyone takes for granted today.

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  • wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    GiantRobo wrote: »
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

    Blue collar workers are stupid.

    I want to gut you.

    The fact that May Day is ignored here makes me sad. It hides the fact that, contrary to what you learn in grade school, the 40 hour week and the 8 hour day were violently put down by the government. People were killed by Chicago police while securing the labor rights everyone takes for granted today.

    Was it really the police? I always thought it was the Pinkerton Detective Agency. /shrug

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Goddamn commies.

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  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I celebrated by watching my political party lose a seat on the local council, despite having 2 recounts - we lost by 4 votes.D: On the good news front, the BNP candidate didn't get in.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    GiantRobo wrote: »
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

    Blue collar workers are stupid.

    I want to gut you.

    The fact that May Day is ignored here makes me sad. It hides the fact that, contrary to what you learn in grade school, the 40 hour week and the 8 hour day were violently put down by the government. People were killed by Chicago police while securing the labor rights everyone takes for granted today.

    I don't labor, I'm a trust fund kid. :D

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm just happy to have a long weekend after spending the last week digging holes in the arse end of nowhere. Also, woo workers rights?

    The tone in here is pretty facetious for the most part, and its a bit worrying. I don't think people really appreciate the value of the people and organisations who've agitated for decent working hours and conditions (perhaps because their tendency to overdo it in some places discredits the overall movement). I certainly don't think they appreciate the value of those struggling at present in developing countries. Its in the nature of capitalism to demand more and more from its workers, and only by active resistance to the excesses of this demand do we have anything approaching a work/life balance. Its important that we're able to work for a living rather than live to work - its the cornerstone of a healthy society, to my mind. Still, fewer and fewer people, even the highly trained, can do this without vilification. Workers' rights are seen as a blue-collar preoccupation, while so many of us in other industries work for longer, doing more and more for less and less, with no time to ourselves. This isn't ok.

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I see you're typing words Cat, but all I'm reading is "MARX LENIN MAO".

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Duki wrote: »
    I see you're typing words Cat, but all I'm reading is "MARX LENIN MAO".

    You forgot Lenin and Mao's offspring, LMAO

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Duki wrote: »
    I see you're typing words Cat, but all I'm reading is "MARX LENIN MAO".

    You forgot Lenin and Mao's offspring, LMAO

    It would seem I have a new sig.

    edit: One which I suspect is too big, but I can't find the size limits.

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I find it strangely ironic that the rest of the world celebrates May Day, yet we don't in the US; considering it's a day commemorating the massacre of workers in Chicago.

    So, what? Labor Day was a distraction so that we'd still get a day off of work, but we wouldn't be reminded of police brutality? Actually looking over this thread, it seems to have worked.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    GiantRobo wrote: »
    Wikipedia is confusing me, people went on strike because 8 hour work days became the standard? Doesn't that mean they'd have to work less?

    Blue collar workers are stupid.

    I want to gut you.

    The fact that May Day is ignored here makes me sad. It hides the fact that, contrary to what you learn in grade school, the 40 hour week and the 8 hour day were violently put down by the government. People were killed by Chicago police while securing the labor rights everyone takes for granted today.

    After someone lobbed a bomb at the Chicago Police dispersing the protestors. Not that they're justified for the massacre, but to ignore the 7 guys who got asploded by someone at the protest which started the whole damn thing strikes me as very sad. You do the hanged anarchists a disservice.

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  • MalaysianShrewMalaysianShrew Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The cops were mostly injured by friendly fire, indicating that they were firing so wildly into the crowd that they shot up their own. But yeah, one dude threw a bomb.

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  • NATIKNATIK DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I celebrated the day by joining the Socialist Peoples party and their youth group and then going to a bar and listening to small time bands, was a great day, even if my clothes were totally soaked in beer when it was over for some reason.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited May 2008
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    'Course, carpenters can make six figures.

    Or get stapled to a tree, so there's still an element of risk.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    'Course, carpenters can make six figures.

    Or get stapled to a tree, so there's still an element of risk.

    Being stapled to a tree would probably be the least horrifying construction injury I'd ever hear of.

    Some of these guys saw off parts of their arms.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The cops were mostly injured by friendly fire, indicating that they were firing so wildly into the crowd that they shot up their own. But yeah, one dude threw a bomb.

    Bombs tend to cause a bit of panic...what with it being a BOMB. That plus the already high tensions probably meant a loud fart would have caused a riot.

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  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    'Course, carpenters can make six figures.

    Or get stapled to a tree, so there's still an element of risk.

    Being stapled to a tree would probably be the least horrifying construction injury I'd ever hear of.

    Some of these guys saw off parts of their arms.

    That depends on how big the staples/nails are - 9"- and if the Romans throw dice for the said carpenters clothes...

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited May 2008
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    'Course, carpenters can make six figures.

    Or get stapled to a tree, so there's still an element of risk.

    Being stapled to a tree would probably be the least horrifying construction injury I'd ever hear of.

    Some of these guys saw off parts of their arms.

    That depends on how big the staples/nails are - 9"- and if the Romans throw dice for the said carpenters clothes...

    Oh good, someone got the Jesus reference. Now I don't have to feel overly obscure.

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  • LewieP's MummyLewieP's Mummy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    'Course, carpenters can make six figures.

    Or get stapled to a tree, so there's still an element of risk.

    Being stapled to a tree would probably be the least horrifying construction injury I'd ever hear of.

    Some of these guys saw off parts of their arms.

    That depends on how big the staples/nails are - 9"- and if the Romans throw dice for the said carpenters clothes...

    Oh good, someone got the Jesus reference. Now I don't have to feel overly obscure.

    I was shocked that no-one else had, seemed so obvious to me - but then, Lewie has to explain stuff on here/ I google stuff, so I'm quite chuffed about this one!

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Everyone in my neck of the woods pretty much ignored May Day, and all I did was wear red. Go apathy, I guess.

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  • Pants ManPants Man Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    I'm just happy to have a long weekend after spending the last week digging holes in the arse end of nowhere. Also, woo workers rights?

    The tone in here is pretty facetious for the most part, and its a bit worrying. I don't think people really appreciate the value of the people and organisations who've agitated for decent working hours and conditions (perhaps because their tendency to overdo it in some places discredits the overall movement).

    the problem is that a lot of times, those organizations you're talking about start out as incredibly valuable and important movements constructed from the ground up, but over time can become as bloated and corrupt as any of the worst capitalist organizations. in the united states there's been a huge dropoff in union enrollment since the 1950's, at least in part because of this.

    i think unions and worker's advocacy groups are a critical part of a functioning capitalist society, but their track records are as mixed as any other major political or social group. if we're being facetious, it's because of the overall failure of some of the more extreme political ideologies that are attached to the may day movements, not because most of us don't appreciate the work of worker's advocacy groups.

    i mean, the guts that that people had to try and stand up to frick and the pinkertons to fight for their rights as workers... that's impressive. but the total collapse of the soviet union and the ridiculous hypocrisy of china in regards to their stated ideology and the fact that some college kids who haven't had to do a hard day's work in their lives like to parade around in che t-shirts... that's kinda funny.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    moniker wrote: »
    Lots of hispanics protested for comprehensive immigration reform in Chicago and LA yesterday, which screwed up traffic downtown for a bit. Very little coverage anywhere but the local station, and I think NPR mentioned it in passing.

    It'd be awesome if the policeman statue commemorating their casualties at Haymarket got vandalised every May 1st. Not least of which because it got moved to the front doors of police headquarters for that very reason.

    For the record, there was a -lot- of coverage of the protests on May Day. It was on Headline News every 30 minutes, and CNN every hour...

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