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Pinball Hall of Fame: Williams Collection - BNOWTAI #2 (NOW WITH HIGH SCORE TABLE!)
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he takes my Firepower and your Gorgar scores out behind the woodshed too. And then all that will remain is the Jive Time score, which nobody cares about.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he takes my Firepower and your Gorgar scores out behind the woodshed too. And then all that will remain is the Jive Time score, which nobody cares about.
he's welcome to try and beat the jive time score, that table hates players. It's like it was designed specifically just to eat your tokens.
Wow, I'm impressed by those Jive Time scores. I'd have to check but I don't think I've cracked 50 thousand. That table can hate players all it wants, I hate it right back.
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he takes my Firepower and your Gorgar scores out behind the woodshed too. And then all that will remain is the Jive Time score, which nobody cares about.
he's welcome to try and beat the jive time score, that table hates players. It's like it was designed specifically just to eat your tokens.
To be fair, most arcade games were -- especially older ones.
Although Jive Time has nothing on Aces High on the Gottlieb Collection. It actually has FOUR outlanes plus two more "outlane" holes in the middle of the table. How your ball leaves the field is actually important to the game's scoring. It's crazy frustrating.
...and that's just one of the reasons that the Gottleib collection is crazy frustrating. To be fair, they give you ZERO outlanes on Goin' Nuts, but that leads to an entirely different problem altogether.
Now, to the matter of a woodshed...
Gorgar: 1,042,560
Firepower: 2,014,640
Vyolynce, your Firepower score is safe. For now. Maybe Jive Time gets attacked after that, but 600K is awfully, awfully daunting.
Aside: any advice on Harem Multiball on Tales of the Arabian Nights? It's the only basic goal I have left.
I bought this for Medieval Madness, but the other tables pulled me right in.
Now contemplating a weekend trip to the Seattle Pinball Museum and Shorty's to get my hands around some real machines.
This has Medieval Madness?!@ ME BUY NAO! The only reason I avoid these collections is that I don't care for the very old tables.
I'm not familiar with brands, but I hate hate HATE Stern. Weakass flippers abound. On the other hand, the World Poker Tour table looks gorgeous and I wouldn't mind getting to play it.
I bought this for Medieval Madness, but the other tables pulled me right in.
Now contemplating a weekend trip to the Seattle Pinball Museum and Shorty's to get my hands around some real machines.
This has Medieval Madness?!@ ME BUY NAO! The only reason I avoid these collections is that I don't care for the very old tables.
I'm not familiar with brands, but I hate hate HATE Stern. Weakass flippers abound. On the other hand, the World Poker Tour table looks gorgeous and I wouldn't mind getting to play it.
This is a freaking fantastic collection, and the old tables are really solid.
Would this be a better pinball purchase for my 360 than the new Pinball FX 2?
If you can get it for 20 dollars, yes, as it's a better table to buck ratio. Estarland has it here for 29-ish including shippping. I paid 30 bucks for it and I was more than satisfied, but I would get it soon, as it looks like it's going rare and demand appears to be affecting the price of remaining stock. Check your local Gamestop too.
As for which game is better, as a pinball simulation, Williams is, hands down. But, Pinball FX 2 is the next best thing that fixes all the problems the first one had, and it is absolutely deserving of your money. Aside from the Pro Pinball games over on GOG.com, you won't find better pinball to play anywhere else.
I never liked the physics in Pinball FX, and FX2 feels the same to me. The ball has no weight, the flippers are totally incapable of nuanced ball control, and the tables are boring.
Go with the Williams Collection, it kicks ass. The only table I dislike is No Good Gofers, on account of how busy the playing field is. But that's one out of a dozen. The rest are awesome, and the physics are the closest thing to playing on a real machine.
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"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
I hate doing two replies in a row, but just wanted to post my top scores to date. (360 version)
Gorgar 774,270
Pinbot 2,957,850
Black Knight 2,947,040
Funhouse 28,787,120
Space Shuttle 2,414,700
Taxi 9,824,840
Whirlwind 7,622,970
Firepower 943,990
Sorceror 6,860,430
Arabian Nights 24,509,330
Medieval Madness 89,209,970
No Good Gofers 33,095,190
Clearly, I'm struggling with Arabain Nights. Something about the way the ball moves on that tables seems off, I'll try playing the nuts and bolts table tomorrow at Shorty's and see if it handles differently.
Space Shuttle is royally pissing me off, because there seem to be so few ways of scoring major points toward the wizard goal of 4.5 million. It's now one of three tables that I have sitting 1 wizard goal away from perfection.
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"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
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ViscountalphaThe pen is mightier than the swordhttp://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered Userregular
I never liked the physics in Pinball FX, and FX2 feels the same to me. The ball has no weight, the flippers are totally incapable of nuanced ball control, and the tables are boring.
Go with the Williams Collection, it kicks ass. The only table I dislike is No Good Gofers, on account of how busy the playing field is. But that's one out of a dozen. The rest are awesome, and the physics are the closest thing to playing on a real machine.
Comparing real tables emulated and the ones made in fx pinball is like comparing a Ferrari to souped up honda civic. Real tables made it into that pack because they lasted the test of time. They also had quite a bit more $$ put into development initially too.
Pinball fx2 is the bastard cousin of the Williams collection.
Space Shuttle is royally pissing me off, because there seem to be so few ways of scoring major points toward the wizard goal of 4.5 million. It's now one of three tables that I have sitting 1 wizard goal away from perfection.
I haven't checked in a while, but I know Taxi is one of these for me, since achieving one of them is completely random.
I never liked the physics in Pinball FX, and FX2 feels the same to me. The ball has no weight, the flippers are totally incapable of nuanced ball control, and the tables are boring.
Go with the Williams Collection, it kicks ass. The only table I dislike is No Good Gofers, on account of how busy the playing field is. But that's one out of a dozen. The rest are awesome, and the physics are the closest thing to playing on a real machine.
Comparing real tables emulated and the ones made in fx pinball is like comparing a Ferrari to souped up honda civic. Real tables made it into that pack because they lasted the test of time. They also had quite a bit more $$ put into development initially too.
Pinball fx2 is the bastard cousin of the Williams collection.
Well, I was coming here to say that I was having fun with FX2 but longing for the tables of my youth and early college days. This tread directs me properly.
I just can't seem to learn the FX2 tables like I should, but I'm getting there. I'm hoping that Medieval Madness and the other tables I know from RL come back to me.
The real problem is that, I will eventually hop on ebay after a play session and get a Championship Pub machine, which will be the only think I am allowed to keep in the inevitable divorce.
Space Shuttle is royally pissing me off, because there seem to be so few ways of scoring major points toward the wizard goal of 4.5 million. It's now one of three tables that I have sitting 1 wizard goal away from perfection.
I haven't checked in a while, but I know Taxi is one of these for me, since achieving one of them is completely random.
I played last night after a long time away. Got through a Williams Challenge despite Pin*Bot doing its damnedest to stop me (that table hates me something fierce), and along the way noticed that I hadn't attempted Wizard Goals on Sorcerer or Jive Time.
Man, fuck those Jive Time goals. 4 Extra Balls via West Gate (which, to the best of my knowledge, is only unlocked via the spinner)? All six backglass bonuses? Crank the bonus up to 10k and then hit the double bonus spin? That's a load of garbage. I might eventually break 150K, but I don't have enough faith in the RNG to even attempt those others.
I cleaned up all but one on Sorcerer, though; getting the Sorcerer Lights Special could take some doing, since you need to complete the seven targets (at least) three times on the same ball. There are apparently three specials that can be earned that way; I'm assuming any one of them counts.
Still missing the one on Taxi, two on Gorgar, those ones I mentioned, and getting the Solar Value on Pin*Bot. All of the rest are cleared (Wii version, so I have three fewer tables to work on).
I never liked the physics in Pinball FX, and FX2 feels the same to me. The ball has no weight, the flippers are totally incapable of nuanced ball control, and the tables are boring.
Go with the Williams Collection, it kicks ass. The only table I dislike is No Good Gofers, on account of how busy the playing field is. But that's one out of a dozen. The rest are awesome, and the physics are the closest thing to playing on a real machine.
Comparing real tables emulated and the ones made in fx pinball is like comparing a Ferrari to souped up honda civic. Real tables made it into that pack because they lasted the test of time. They also had quite a bit more $$ put into development initially too.
Pinball fx2 is the bastard cousin of the Williams collection.
Well, I was coming here to say that I was having fun with FX2 but longing for the tables of my youth and early college days. This tread directs me properly.
I just can't seem to learn the FX2 tables like I should, but I'm getting there. I'm hoping that Medieval Madness and the other tables I know from RL come back to me.
The real problem is that, I will eventually hop on ebay after a play session and get a Championship Pub machine, which will be the only think I am allowed to keep in the inevitable divorce.
You should come over to the Pinball FX 2 thread and post your gamertag, that way you can gloat/sob when you compare your scores to the pinball wizards over in that thread.
I cleaned up all but one on Sorcerer, though; getting the Sorcerer Lights Special could take some doing, since you need to complete the seven targets (at least) three times on the same ball. There are apparently three specials that can be earned that way; I'm assuming any one of them counts.
As someone who has hit the Sorcerer lights 3 times in a single ball and drained in a SPECIAL lit outlane, I'm sadded to tell you it didn't work for that goal. I'm afraid it's only the 5-time completion that nets you a special outright that ticks that goal off.
I cleaned up all but one on Sorcerer, though; getting the Sorcerer Lights Special could take some doing, since you need to complete the seven targets (at least) three times on the same ball. There are apparently three specials that can be earned that way; I'm assuming any one of them counts.
As someone who has hit the Sorcerer lights 3 times in a single ball and drained in a SPECIAL lit outlane, I'm sadded to tell you it didn't work for that goal. I'm afraid it's only the 5-time completion that nets you a special outright that ticks that goal off.
Afraid, because I don't have it yet either.
Sonofa---
Yeah, that's what I suspected. The hope was nice while it lasted, though.
Still missing the one on Taxi, two on Gorgar, those ones I mentioned, and getting the Solar Value on Pin*Bot. All of the rest are cleared (Wii version, so I have three fewer tables to work on).
Gorgar's my favorite table in the collection, I've played it so much that I picked up the Wizard goals along the way. I love not having to deal with lane changes and multiball.
Pin-Bot is a mean bastard, but I enjoy it. Down to one Wizard goal now, unfortunately it's for advancing to the Sun and collecting a special. Ugh.
Played on some real tables today in Seattle, mostly old '60s and early '70s era electrical machines. I'd put money down now, sight unseen, for another Hall of Fame title featuring the likes of Rack A Ball, Wagon Train, Blackjack, and Hang Glider.
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"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
Still missing the one on Taxi, two on Gorgar, those ones I mentioned, and getting the Solar Value on Pin*Bot. All of the rest are cleared (Wii version, so I have three fewer tables to work on).
Gorgar's my favorite table in the collection, I've played it so much that I picked up the Wizard goals along the way. I love not having to deal with lane changes and multiball.
My favorite part of playing Gorgar actually has little to do with the actual table. But it drives my wife up the wall when I hit the Snake Pit and Gorgar drones "ME GOT YOU," because I like to vocally follow that up with "BABE" in the same voice.
Did everyone see that Gottlieb Collection is due for a release on XBLA in January?
Looks like they're adding three tables from the Wii version, too. Goin' Nuts, Strikes & Spares, and El Dorado, City of Gold.
Day one purchase, no question. We need to support this so Farsight Studios can get their asses working on The Bally Collection.
Zoku, why on earth haven't you been playing Pinball FX 2 with the rest of us?
But yeaaaahhhhh....about that Gottlieb Collection. To say there were a "few" problems with the Wii version is being generous. I could have lived with the off physics (the implementation of which Farsight improved exponentially on Williams), but the biggest problem was that the majority of the tables on Gottlieb just were not that great to play. Plus, not all of the tables were unlocked, and you had to play through the boring ones and accomplish goals just to play any of the decent tables, which is quite the buzzkill.
I agree with you, and I absolutely want to support Farsight Studios, but I'll probably wait and see how it plays and what the reviews for it are before I purchase, and this is coming from an avowed pinball whore.
Zoku, why on earth haven't you been playing Pinball FX 2 with the rest of us?
I've been busy working on table goals in the Williams Collection.
Also, Pinball FX2 still feels a bit off to me, in terms of physics and table layout. Longer demos might have given me time to grow accustomed to Zen's tables, but instead I get about a minute with each board.
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"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are." - Bertolt Brecht
the biggest problem was that the majority of the tables on Gottlieb just were not that great to play. Plus, not all of the tables were unlocked, and you had to play through the boring ones and accomplish goals just to play any of the decent tables, which is quite the buzzkill.
This. Plus, there was only like one goal per table.
Although I still say that Goin' Nuts is an experience that any pinball fan needs to try at least once. It's one of the few aspects of Gottlieb that make me not regret the purchase outright.
Thought all was lost as far as finding a copy of this game was concerned...then on a chance phone call to a local EB Games, I have managed to finally secure a copy to purchase later today! The anticipation is killing me...
Thought all was lost as far as finding a copy of this game was concerned...then on a chance phone call to a local EB Games, I have managed to finally secure a copy to purchase later today! The anticipation is killing me...
Thought all was lost as far as finding a copy of this game was concerned...then on a chance phone call to a local EB Games, I have managed to finally secure a copy to purchase later today! The anticipation is killing me...
You get the Wii version or the 360?
I'm getting the 360 version...have to have Medieval Madness!
So, I've never played Space Shuttle before in my life. I dove into the game without checking out the instructions first, and had the game of my life. Ended up with over 11 million. How are we keeping track of high scores? Sending in a screenshot, or based on the honor system?
I'm kind of pissed about Pinball HOF: Gottlieb Collection being MIA on the Marketplace.
But it's tempered by elation at the Seattle Pinball Museum getting Pin-Bot and Gorgar. 8-)
Shorty's downtown has Tales of the Arabian Nights, and isn't too far away. They have a Medieval Madness, but it's not in as good a condition as the one at Pink Gorilla in U-District.
My real world scores are miserable compared to my performance in the Williams Collection, unfortunately, since I can nudge much better with an analog stick than with someone's vintage machine that I treat perhaps too delicately.
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edited February 2011
Real tables will always be harder. The physics engine will be much harder to break :P But there's playfield wear and ball condition and when it has been shopped last (rubbers and parts replaced) all factor into it too.
I'm so thankful groundkontrol is around here in portland for my pinball fix.
Fyi, grand reopening the 17th. 3$ cover to get in.
I never knew about the Seattle Pinball Museum. I'll have to make a trip there the next time I come up to Seattle. FYI, while not a museum, Ground Kontrol in Portland has a very, very large Pinball selection that's certainly worth visiting if you ever come down south.
I've found that there really is no replacement for a real machine, although this game does an incredible job. Real machines kick my ass, and although I can carry some of the virtual skill over to them, there are just too many variables that ensure difficulty. Nudging is way harder, tilt can be super tight with zero warnings, the playfield can be angled slightly forward for a faster game, etc. Someday I'll own a pin, though, but I can continue to practice.
Found a great place in Vancouver that has an amazing selection of machines: The Cobalt. It used to be a hardcore bar, now it's under new management and toned way down in order to be more welcoming. The shitty thing is that it's only really open from 8pm at night. They have:
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Theatre of Magic
Getaway: High Speed II
Doctor Who
Funhouse
Cirqus Voltaire
White Water
Pirates of the Caribbean
Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure
All of which play great. And the place is within close proximity of a well-maintained Medieval Madness, Twilight Zone and Fish Tales. Not too shabby.
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he's welcome to try and beat the jive time score, that table hates players. It's like it was designed specifically just to eat your tokens.
To be fair, most arcade games were -- especially older ones.
Although Jive Time has nothing on Aces High on the Gottlieb Collection. It actually has FOUR outlanes plus two more "outlane" holes in the middle of the table. How your ball leaves the field is actually important to the game's scoring. It's crazy frustrating.
Now, to the matter of a woodshed...
Gorgar: 1,042,560
Firepower: 2,014,640
Vyolynce, your Firepower score is safe. For now. Maybe Jive Time gets attacked after that, but 600K is awfully, awfully daunting.
Aside: any advice on Harem Multiball on Tales of the Arabian Nights? It's the only basic goal I have left.
Now contemplating a weekend trip to the Seattle Pinball Museum and Shorty's to get my hands around some real machines.
This has Medieval Madness?!@ ME BUY NAO! The only reason I avoid these collections is that I don't care for the very old tables.
I'm not familiar with brands, but I hate hate HATE Stern. Weakass flippers abound. On the other hand, the World Poker Tour table looks gorgeous and I wouldn't mind getting to play it.
This is a freaking fantastic collection, and the old tables are really solid.
If you can get it for 20 dollars, yes, as it's a better table to buck ratio. Estarland has it here for 29-ish including shippping. I paid 30 bucks for it and I was more than satisfied, but I would get it soon, as it looks like it's going rare and demand appears to be affecting the price of remaining stock. Check your local Gamestop too.
As for which game is better, as a pinball simulation, Williams is, hands down. But, Pinball FX 2 is the next best thing that fixes all the problems the first one had, and it is absolutely deserving of your money. Aside from the Pro Pinball games over on GOG.com, you won't find better pinball to play anywhere else.
Go with the Williams Collection, it kicks ass. The only table I dislike is No Good Gofers, on account of how busy the playing field is. But that's one out of a dozen. The rest are awesome, and the physics are the closest thing to playing on a real machine.
Gorgar 774,270
Pinbot 2,957,850
Black Knight 2,947,040
Funhouse 28,787,120
Space Shuttle 2,414,700
Taxi 9,824,840
Whirlwind 7,622,970
Firepower 943,990
Sorceror 6,860,430
Arabian Nights 24,509,330
Medieval Madness 89,209,970
No Good Gofers 33,095,190
Clearly, I'm struggling with Arabain Nights. Something about the way the ball moves on that tables seems off, I'll try playing the nuts and bolts table tomorrow at Shorty's and see if it handles differently.
Space Shuttle is royally pissing me off, because there seem to be so few ways of scoring major points toward the wizard goal of 4.5 million. It's now one of three tables that I have sitting 1 wizard goal away from perfection.
Comparing real tables emulated and the ones made in fx pinball is like comparing a Ferrari to souped up honda civic. Real tables made it into that pack because they lasted the test of time. They also had quite a bit more $$ put into development initially too.
Pinball fx2 is the bastard cousin of the Williams collection.
I haven't checked in a while, but I know Taxi is one of these for me, since achieving one of them is completely random.
Well, I was coming here to say that I was having fun with FX2 but longing for the tables of my youth and early college days. This tread directs me properly.
I just can't seem to learn the FX2 tables like I should, but I'm getting there. I'm hoping that Medieval Madness and the other tables I know from RL come back to me.
The real problem is that, I will eventually hop on ebay after a play session and get a Championship Pub machine, which will be the only think I am allowed to keep in the inevitable divorce.
I played last night after a long time away. Got through a Williams Challenge despite Pin*Bot doing its damnedest to stop me (that table hates me something fierce), and along the way noticed that I hadn't attempted Wizard Goals on Sorcerer or Jive Time.
Man, fuck those Jive Time goals. 4 Extra Balls via West Gate (which, to the best of my knowledge, is only unlocked via the spinner)? All six backglass bonuses? Crank the bonus up to 10k and then hit the double bonus spin? That's a load of garbage. I might eventually break 150K, but I don't have enough faith in the RNG to even attempt those others.
I cleaned up all but one on Sorcerer, though; getting the Sorcerer Lights Special could take some doing, since you need to complete the seven targets (at least) three times on the same ball. There are apparently three specials that can be earned that way; I'm assuming any one of them counts.
Still missing the one on Taxi, two on Gorgar, those ones I mentioned, and getting the Solar Value on Pin*Bot. All of the rest are cleared (Wii version, so I have three fewer tables to work on).
You should come over to the Pinball FX 2 thread and post your gamertag, that way you can gloat/sob when you compare your scores to the pinball wizards over in that thread.
As someone who has hit the Sorcerer lights 3 times in a single ball and drained in a SPECIAL lit outlane, I'm sadded to tell you it didn't work for that goal. I'm afraid it's only the 5-time completion that nets you a special outright that ticks that goal off.
Afraid, because I don't have it yet either.
Sonofa---
Yeah, that's what I suspected. The hope was nice while it lasted, though.
Gorgar's my favorite table in the collection, I've played it so much that I picked up the Wizard goals along the way. I love not having to deal with lane changes and multiball.
Pin-Bot is a mean bastard, but I enjoy it. Down to one Wizard goal now, unfortunately it's for advancing to the Sun and collecting a special. Ugh.
Played on some real tables today in Seattle, mostly old '60s and early '70s era electrical machines. I'd put money down now, sight unseen, for another Hall of Fame title featuring the likes of Rack A Ball, Wagon Train, Blackjack, and Hang Glider.
My favorite part of playing Gorgar actually has little to do with the actual table. But it drives my wife up the wall when I hit the Snake Pit and Gorgar drones "ME GOT YOU," because I like to vocally follow that up with "BABE" in the same voice.
Looks like they're adding three tables from the Wii version, too. Goin' Nuts, Strikes & Spares, and El Dorado, City of Gold.
Day one purchase, no question. We need to support this so Farsight Studios can get their asses working on The Bally Collection.
Zoku, why on earth haven't you been playing Pinball FX 2 with the rest of us?
But yeaaaahhhhh....about that Gottlieb Collection. To say there were a "few" problems with the Wii version is being generous. I could have lived with the off physics (the implementation of which Farsight improved exponentially on Williams), but the biggest problem was that the majority of the tables on Gottlieb just were not that great to play. Plus, not all of the tables were unlocked, and you had to play through the boring ones and accomplish goals just to play any of the decent tables, which is quite the buzzkill.
I agree with you, and I absolutely want to support Farsight Studios, but I'll probably wait and see how it plays and what the reviews for it are before I purchase, and this is coming from an avowed pinball whore.
I've been busy working on table goals in the Williams Collection.
Also, Pinball FX2 still feels a bit off to me, in terms of physics and table layout. Longer demos might have given me time to grow accustomed to Zen's tables, but instead I get about a minute with each board.
This. Plus, there was only like one goal per table.
Although I still say that Goin' Nuts is an experience that any pinball fan needs to try at least once. It's one of the few aspects of Gottlieb that make me not regret the purchase outright.
I guess there's no chance of the leaderboards being updated, but I have over 900,000 on Gorgar, if I recall correctly.
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You get the Wii version or the 360?
Rumors are swirling about Pinball Hall of Fame: Williams Collection coming to 3DS, and pretty close to the launch window, no less.
Gamestop has a page up, Play Asia has a page up, GameFAQs put up a forum for it and there are some news sites reporting on it.
Hopefully it's not all just based on one wrong source, it'd be awesome if true.
I don't want to have to buy this game again..
I'm getting the 360 version...have to have Medieval Madness!
I'd need to see some screenshots first.
But it's tempered by elation at the Seattle Pinball Museum getting Pin-Bot and Gorgar. 8-)
Shorty's downtown has Tales of the Arabian Nights, and isn't too far away. They have a Medieval Madness, but it's not in as good a condition as the one at Pink Gorilla in U-District.
My real world scores are miserable compared to my performance in the Williams Collection, unfortunately, since I can nudge much better with an analog stick than with someone's vintage machine that I treat perhaps too delicately.
I'm so thankful groundkontrol is around here in portland for my pinball fix.
Fyi, grand reopening the 17th. 3$ cover to get in.
Found a great place in Vancouver that has an amazing selection of machines: The Cobalt. It used to be a hardcore bar, now it's under new management and toned way down in order to be more welcoming. The shitty thing is that it's only really open from 8pm at night. They have:
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Theatre of Magic
Getaway: High Speed II
Doctor Who
Funhouse
Cirqus Voltaire
White Water
Pirates of the Caribbean
Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure
All of which play great. And the place is within close proximity of a well-maintained Medieval Madness, Twilight Zone and Fish Tales. Not too shabby.