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So, D&D Duels...?
GodOfCheese
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So, will there be D&D Duels this year?
Will they be 4e or 3.5e? ;-)
Will they be 4e or 3.5e? ;-)
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I'm on the fence. On the one hand, three years is a long time to go undefeated. I'm feeling like I should be helping instead of competing. TimeStopMan and Jamm and I have been chatting about ways to improve the Dueling community over the past couple of years... so maybe helping out Tony and his gang would be good karma. Maybe we can learn from Jamm's xp at V-Con...?
On the other hand, how can I back down from a challenge like that? :winky:
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What level?
"You cast Eldritch Wrath! Thats 1d10 Damage at first level and you can cast it as many times as you want!"
All hail the Hypno-Spode!
Yeah, that's not gonna one shot anyone in 4E. As opposed to Magic Freakin' Missile which actually has a chance of dropping a 1st level caster in 3.5. It's obvious you've not paid the slightest attention to what 4E really is. PCs are a lot more durable now, especially at 1st level.
Well, last year, and i think the year before, the chars were at level 12, which would be equivalent to about level 18 now
Interesting how I just played a game with a level 1, got hit with a Magic Missile, and didn't die.
huh. Odd how that happens. I just find the idea of having a bunch of spells that you just blast away and do a bunch of damage at 1st level is way over powered. The idea of level 1 is to try and get a foot hold to higher levels. If you die, oh well. Not to mention in 4.0 all you do is blast creatures into dust. I liked having to fight and try to live, rather than stand there and cast some uber spell and kill everything.
All hail the Hypno-Spode!
I haven't even seen the 4e books (my wife had the smooth suggestion that I wait until I have a legitimate need for them before obtaining, and since my campaign isn't switching over, I don't have one... yet...), but everything I've read ABOUT them suggests that 4e seems to have been built to make one-shot-builds hard to construct... can you guys confirm/deny this?
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There tends to be a lot more back and forth, and the design philosophy certainly seems to lean away from the "I win initiative - you die" school of play. There is a level 30 build out there that claims to be able to one-round Orcus, but some of the math is suspect. To be honest, though, that just makes 4E more suitable for tournament play. It's not really a fight if your first action is to drop 20 negative levels on your opponent, no save. There's still plenty of room to showcase your skill in building a character and choosing equipment, but I suspect a 4E tournament would see a higher percentage of battles where both parties get to act. That's better for everyone.
WotC will be there in force, but they aren't likely to host a duel either
Freeplay is of course open to all play types, so you can always set up your own duels.
Alternatively, since I am in the middle of scheduling tournaments, I could be persuaded to add duels to the list
That being said, I haven't been an active part of the previous D&D Duels, so I'm not very familiar with how they were run and organized, so hit me with the details of what it was like, what was done well, what failed, and what you'd like to see and I'll try to get something put together.
4.0 class customization is much more limited compared to the endless expansion books 3.5 is comprised of today, so competition variety is going to be pretty stale in an individuals duel format. A small team format (say, 2v2 to 5v5) would be far better suited for D&D 4.0, as emphasis would be more on tactics and synergies than trying to build a broken character from dozens of different books.
All characters are capable of taking significant damage and still surviving while using relatively limited skill and item selections, making for more emphasis on the actual battle instead of the time spent trying to break the rules.
End result: a more fun tournament that emphasizes tactics and strategy instead of planning.
If you want to win or lose before you even play, go enter a Magic tournament.
I'd really like to see how 4.0 holds up in a PvP scene. Of all versions, it certainly looks like it'd be the most tactical and fair for adversarial play.
That's a great idea, and I suspect the point of the new direction.
"If this rolls 1 or higher, I win the game...4."
Unpacking a stack of books 3 feet high, he constructs a logical argument from scattered paragraphs, lines out of context, and photocopied errata to show that, yes, he does win the game on a roll of 1 or higher. His opponent shakes his hand in congratulations. "Good game, mate. See you next year."
What size teams? Too large and the duels will take an hour each.
How do they usually do judges?
Might want to look into limiting the number of healing surges that can be used. I could see a team of 2 clerics figuring out a way to use 7 healing surges in one encounter.
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Well, the game's already broken into tiers. 10, 20, 30 feels natural. If players know the rules and their abilities, 3v3 would probably be manageable.
Oooh! Dibs on Heavy Weapons Guy! (Plate and a Maul aww yeah)
Edit: I kind of doubt Technomancer Games will be running this, as the 4e GSL probably won't be done in time.
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I think someone volunteered on the first page of this thread to help run this?
Are we going to say no magic items, only non-magic weapons / armor / equipment? Or should we allow a level combination of items for each character (IE, 20 levels of magic items per character, none above 14th level, maximum four items per character)
Also I would suggest we limit use to the races and classes in the PHB. No races from the MM, no classes from D&DI articles.
For 4.0 duels, I'd like it to be open for any race, including the ones in the MM, as the MM races are just as balanced as the PHB. Magic items are fairly easy to handle if you give each player a set amount of money (you could use the amount from the same level parcels as the players, eg. 10th level gets 10,000 gp).
Honestly, the Duels are kinda why I go to PAX... I'm bummed there's no actual duel. :-/
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