Latin Phrases -

MayGodHaveMercy

So, I'm getting some ink done, as they say, and I am a habitual "checker." So, I want to check a few phrases with you, and make absolutely sure the spelling, etc. are 100% correct.

The tattoos will be -

"Disce quasi semper victurus; vive quasi cras moritus," which translates to "Learn as if you were going to live forever, live as if you were going to die tomorrow.

"Amor ordinem nescit," which translates to "Love does not know order."



I've always loved latin, but I'm certainly no expert in it. I'm hoping someone here can verify that these are correct. Also, I'm a little curious as to the proper pronunciation of "nescit."

Rye

nescit = 'ness-kit

Latin has no soft c. The word "circum" is actually pronounced "keer-cum"

And because it might be an issue: V's are pronounced as W's. So, victurus is pronounced "wick-tur-us", and vive is "wee-way"

MayGodHaveMercy

Rye wrote: »

nescit = 'ness-kit

Latin has no soft c. The word "circum" is actually pronounced "keer-cum"

And because it might be an issue: V's are pronounced as W's. So, victurus is pronounced "wick-tur-us", and vive is "wee-way"

Understood, and appreciated. Now, it's pronounced like a "W," but it's still written as a "V," yes?

Feral

I don't speak Latin at all but I know I've seen the first phrase before and a quick Google tells me that it was the motto of the Notre Dame student magazine Scholastic since 1870.

And there's no indication that Notre Dame screwed it up, so I think you're pretty safe on that one.

Tofystedeth

huh, I thought 'sci' was pronounced 'shee'

Wiki seems to back me up. At least with the Italianate/church Latin pronunciation.

Rye

Yes, but Italianate/church pronunciation is a bastardization of the original pronunciation. In authentic classical Latin, C represents the hard C and K sounds of English. If you don't want to sound like a priest saying Latin, you'll pronounce it the classical way.

The V is correct, but simply pronounced W.

Cyd Cyclone

MayGodHaveMercy wrote: »

So, I'm getting some ink done, as they say, and I am a habitual "checker." So, I want to check a few phrases with you, and make absolutely sure the spelling, etc. are 100% correct.

The tattoos will be -

"Disce quasi semper victurus; vive quasi cras moritus," which translates to "Learn as if you were going to live forever, live as if you were going to die tomorrow.

"Amor ordinem nescit," which translates to "Love does not know order."



I've always loved latin, but I'm certainly no expert in it. I'm hoping someone here can verify that these are correct. Also, I'm a little curious as to the proper pronunciation of "nescit."

The proper future participle of the deponent morior is moriturus, not moritus (which isn't part of the verb anyways, as the perfect participle is morituus.)

And the proper pronunciation of sci is debated, but standard British pronunciation that I learned was skee.

I translate Greek and Latin for a living, so PM with any questions.

MayGodHaveMercy

Feral wrote: »

I don't speak Latin at all but I know I've seen the first phrase before and a quick Google tells me that it was the motto of the Notre Dame student magazine Scholastic since 1870.

And there's no indication that Notre Dame screwed it up, so I think you're pretty safe on that one.

Heh, I read that as well. I would assume they got it right.

MayGodHaveMercy

Cyd Cyclone wrote: »

MayGodHaveMercy wrote: »

So, I'm getting some ink done, as they say, and I am a habitual "checker." So, I want to check a few phrases with you, and make absolutely sure the spelling, etc. are 100% correct.

The tattoos will be -

"Disce quasi semper victurus; vive quasi cras moritus," which translates to "Learn as if you were going to live forever, live as if you were going to die tomorrow.

"Amor ordinem nescit," which translates to "Love does not know order."



I've always loved latin, but I'm certainly no expert in it. I'm hoping someone here can verify that these are correct. Also, I'm a little curious as to the proper pronunciation of "nescit."

The proper future participle of the deponent morior is moriturus, not moritus (which isn't part of the verb anyways, as the perfect participle is morituus.)

And the proper pronunciation of sci is debated, but standard British pronunciation that I learned was skee.

I translate Greek and Latin for a living, so PM with any questions.

PM Sent!

Thanatos

Rye wrote: »

Yes, but Italianate/church pronunciation is a bastardization of the original pronunciation. In authentic classical Latin, C represents the hard C and K sounds of English. If you don't want to sound like a priest saying Latin, you'll pronounce it the classical way.

The V is correct, but simply pronounced W.

Yes, this.

Ecclesiastical Latin is some fucked-up bullshit.

MayGodHaveMercy

So... we're agreed then?

Nes-keet?

or... Nes-keet?

Cyd Cyclone

The standard pronunciation would be neskit, with a short i due to the following t. It's a very short eh sound as in bit. Stress is usually placed on the penultimate syllable (second to last syllable) in Latin for trisyllabics and greater, but on the first syllable for shorter words.

So it would be neskit.

MayGodHaveMercy

Awesome. Thanks again.

"Hey look at this latin phrase on my arm that I can't properly pronounce and is incorrectly written! Would you like to engage in coitus?"



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